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Postby The Old South » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:50 pm

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The Old South wrote:Sounds like the sort of talk that got us into Iraq. Not that I anticipate the same situation, but it just reminds of me of it.

Except we're waiting for them to be used.

Yes, yes we are.
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Choronzon wrote:Except we're waiting for them to be used.

Yes, yes we are.
It is good to have a more capable president now.

Which is good, because if you wait you won't be going in with just a handful of allies and no backing from the UN.

You'll be going in with the entire world at your back.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:52 pm

Nansurium wrote:Fortunately, the world seems to be on the same page with this. Turkey, Israel and Jordan are all adamant about securing these chemical weapons if they're moved. I watched an interview of Jordan's defense minister and came away very impressed. The guy seems pretty committed to stabilizing Syria and fighting terrorism.

However, Jordan won't let Israel strike at the chemical depots since Syria thought it was a good idea to put a few near the Syria-Jordan border. Jordan has to look out for its own people and defenses as well despite the fact Israel is willing to bomb the depots.

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Postby Ahnilunia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:52 pm

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The Old South wrote:Sounds like the sort of talk that got us into Iraq. Not that I anticipate the same situation, but it just reminds of me of it.

Except we're waiting for them to be used.


And the likeliness that they're actually there.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:53 pm

Soviet Russia Republic wrote:Yes, the US and a couple others said this in the summer as well. I doubt Syria would use them though.

...and I unfortunately doubt the West will get off its collective ass if Syria does. :(
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:53 pm

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Choronzon wrote:Except we're waiting for them to be used.


And the likeliness that they're actually there.

This isn't Iraq. Everyone knows they're there this time.

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Postby Saint-Thor » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:54 pm

One might think the US get the lesson from Moqtada al-Sadr's milicia in Iraq. The FSA is pretty much the same thing, you don't know who you're dealing with. A brutal secular regime is still better than an islamist brutal regime.

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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:54 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Nansurium wrote:Fortunately, the world seems to be on the same page with this. Turkey, Israel and Jordan are all adamant about securing these chemical weapons if they're moved. I watched an interview of Jordan's defense minister and came away very impressed. The guy seems pretty committed to stabilizing Syria and fighting terrorism.

However, Jordan won't let Israel strike at the chemical depots since Syria thought it was a good idea to put a few near the Syria-Jordan border. Jordan has to look out for its own people and defenses as well despite the fact Israel is willing to bomb the depots.

Bombing the depots won't do shit. They'll contaminate the area, and depending on what kind of weapons they are can very easily spread into Jordan and its major population centers. Not to mention the fact that bombings are never 100% perfect, any surviving weapons will be moved to another location immediately, if not recovered by not-so-favourable entities for use across the world or sale to the black market.
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Postby The Old South » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:54 pm

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The Old South wrote:Yes, yes we are.
It is good to have a more capable president now.

Which is good, because if you wait you won't be going in with just a handful of allies and no backing from the UN.

You'll be going in with the entire world at your back.

What a sad state of affairs that was.

Let us hope that should this come to pass, we can together do it right.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:55 pm

The Old South wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Which is good, because if you wait you won't be going in with just a handful of allies and no backing from the UN.

You'll be going in with the entire world at your back.

What a sad state of affairs that was.

Let us hope that should this come to pass, we can together do it right.

Though at what cost to those fighting against Assad and those that protest against Assad?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:56 pm

Maybe the threat alone will prevent them from being used?
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:56 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
The Old South wrote:Yes, yes we are.
It is good to have a more capable president now.

Which is good, because if you wait you won't be going in with just a handful of allies and no backing from the UN.

You'll be going in with the entire world at your back.

Nah. The Russians are more than capable of preventing the US from getting official UN permission.
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Postby The Old South » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:57 pm

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Choronzon wrote:Except we're waiting for them to be used.


And the likeliness that they're actually there.

My Scooby senses tell me Iraq's WMDs probably have a Property of Syria stamp on them now. But then I'm basing that on internet rumor and cannot substantiate it.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:58 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:Nah. The Russians are more than capable of preventing the US from getting official UN permission.

We'll still be going in with the world at our back. If Syria uses chemical weapons and Russia opposes intervention, what little international influence they have left will be dead, mark my words.
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Postby The Old South » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:58 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
The Old South wrote:What a sad state of affairs that was.

Let us hope that should this come to pass, we can together do it right.

Though at what cost to those fighting against Assad and those that protest against Assad?

Are you pro-Assad?
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Postby Sardine World » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:59 pm

just let them kill each other and salvage the valuables once they are all dead
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:59 pm

Syria to US: "We won't use chemical weps, unless you intervene!"
US to Syria: "If you use chemical weps, we'll intervene!"
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:00 pm

The Old South wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Though at what cost to those fighting against Assad and those that protest against Assad?

Are you pro-Assad?

No. I'm anti-Assad. And now we're at 50k deaths over there?

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Postby The Old South » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:01 pm

Shofercia wrote:Syria to US: "We won't use chemical weps, unless you intervene!"
US to Syria: "If you use chemical weps, we'll intervene!"

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
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Postby Silician » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:01 pm

We can't afford to go to war. It'll mess up our economy even more than now.
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Postby Srboslavija » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:01 pm

Saint-Thor wrote:5$ the US will use a false flag tactic to get involve.


Hell, if Bush was able to convince an entire nation about Iraq, Obama will have no problem beating the war drums for Syria.

It will be touted as a great example of bi-partisanship because the Republicans are even more eager to go in.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:02 pm

Shofercia wrote:Syria to US: "We won't use chemical weps, unless you intervene!"
US to Syria: "If you use chemical weps, we'll intervene!"

Then Assad's regime has nothing to worry about, hmm?
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Postby Choronzon » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:02 pm

Srboslavija wrote:
Saint-Thor wrote:5$ the US will use a false flag tactic to get involve.


Hell, if Bush was able to convince an entire nation about Iraq, Obama will have no problem beating the war drums for Syria.

It will be touted as a great example of bi-partisanship because the Republicans are even more eager to go in.

I think you'd suddenly see the Republicans taking isolationist positions and talking about sovereignty because the black guy was giving the order.
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Postby The Old South » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:03 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
The Old South wrote:Are you pro-Assad?

No. I'm anti-Assad. And now we're at 50k deaths over there?

I'm not following you then. How is doing an intervention right at some "cost" to those fighting Assad? It's in their favor for us to prevent the use of WMDs.

Though if he wings a few of the Jihadist brigades, I'm sure the rest of the FSA won't shed too many tears.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Nah. The Russians are more than capable of preventing the US from getting official UN permission.

We'll still be going in with the world at our back. If Syria uses chemical weapons and Russia opposes intervention, what little international influence they have left will be dead, mark my words.

I book-marked the thread, just in case. :p
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