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Postby Yankee Empire » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:24 am

Wars over pure ideology and not simply territory?

Sound like a Utopia to me, yes my utopia includes war though a much more chivalrous/virtous form.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:33 am

Not even remotely my problem.

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Postby SaintB » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:38 am

I have no time for nationalism, or for nationalists. They get caught up in believing that everything their (chosen) nation does is right and just and blind themselves to the problems that it suffers from, and that their blind following of it's doctrine and direction only harms their beloved nation.

Also most nationalists have unrealistic ideas and expectations of everything that their (chosen) nation does.
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Postby Dalodon » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:38 am

Nationalism works well in small countries where a great majority of inhabitants are content with its nations themes, such that it is needed to keep their minds away from the themes of other regions and their over spreading cultures.
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Postby Yankee Empire » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:05 am

SaintB wrote:I have no time for nationalism, or for nationalists. They get caught up in believing that everything their (chosen) nation does is right and just and blind themselves to the problems that it suffers from, and that their blind following of it's doctrine and direction only harms their beloved nation.

Also most nationalists have unrealistic ideas and expectations of everything that their (chosen) nation does.


Baseless, Prententious criticisms...
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Postby Czechanada » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:23 am

Nationalism is an anachronism. It promotes intolerance and irrationality.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:42 am

I'm fine with civic nationalism.
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Postby Albion Rhodesia » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:46 am

Czechanada wrote:Nationalism is an anachronism. It promotes intolerance and irrationality.


Why should we be tolerant to every idea out there, after all there are many intolerable ideologies and ideas that circulate!
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Postby SaintB » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:57 am

Yankee Empire wrote:
SaintB wrote:I have no time for nationalism, or for nationalists. They get caught up in believing that everything their (chosen) nation does is right and just and blind themselves to the problems that it suffers from, and that their blind following of it's doctrine and direction only harms their beloved nation.

Also most nationalists have unrealistic ideas and expectations of everything that their (chosen) nation does.


Baseless, Prententious criticisms...

It is not, it is observable, proven, and obvious truth. I see it every day.
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Postby Anarcho Syndicalista » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:59 am

Czechanada wrote:Nationalism is an anachronism. It promotes intolerance and irrationality.


As if other methods of organization is any different...

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Postby Shard_Head » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:00 am

SaintB wrote:
Yankee Empire wrote:
Baseless, Prententious criticisms...

It is not, it is observable, proven, and obvious truth. I see it every day.


That's right folks. SaintB is the source of all absolute truth in the world. For when he sees it, all conforms to his observations.

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Postby Abatael » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:03 am

Anarcho Syndicalista wrote:To Abatael:

There is a difference between localized leadership and centralized government.

In ancient times beyond barter, scavenging, foraging, and hunting there was no monetary system. The state or a government is all about monetary systems as they can't exist without one.


There is a difference, but there exists also a commonality: the State.

The State does not require a monetary system to exist. It requires individuals alone, and, while individuals exist, the State exists.
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Postby Anarcho Syndicalista » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:03 am

Yankee Empire wrote:
Anarcho Syndicalista wrote:Nobody can decipher my blatant sarcasm. Sad world but to be expected.


I hate these types of threads to be honest I think i'll stop posting in them.

Self indulgent Narcissistic threads. "What is/are you ____ on/about _____?

Leave an opinion and don't bother to substantiate it in any way..."



We are in agreement.

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Postby Anarcho Syndicalista » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:08 am

Yorkopolis wrote:
Kemalist wrote:I hate right-wing fascist ethnic nationalists, but I advocate left-wing nationalism which is more about patriotism, fully independentism, popular sovereigntism, anti-imperialism, social equality and territorial nationalism.

This is pretty much where I stand, too.

Anarcho Syndicalista wrote:Nobody can decipher my blatant sarcasm. Sad world but to be expected.

I saw it, but didn't take too much notice. Should warn you that there are people here that are so radically against nationalism that they will seek to hunt you down and piss on you until you give up.



Of course. Globalism, internationalism, and world government is so fashionable by the zombie like masses these days.

Global authoritarianism for everyone!

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Postby BushSucks-istan » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:12 am

Nationalism is natural. When you were a kid you probably felt that your family, house or group of friends was cooler (superior) than the others. National is as far as you can go. Globalism is too vague, people are very different around the globe. It's too vague to be proud off.
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Postby Hetalia7 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:12 am

I hate nationalism the only reason it was founded was to make every one the government's mind slaves and it has the effect of war=peace when every one is nationalist and to busy hating the opposing side their is no crime or care about what the government is doing ive seen it with my own eyes (i live in south carolina)






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Postby Anarcho Syndicalista » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:13 am

What is interesting is nobody thinks of the consequences or negative ramifications of globalism, internationalism, and the move towards global government that they just blindly believe in it with a fatal optimism.
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Postby Anarcho Syndicalista » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:16 am

Hetalia7 wrote:I hate nationalism the only reason it was founded was to make every one the government's mind slaves and it has the effect of war=peace when every one is nationalist and to busy hating the opposing side their is no crime or care about what the government is doing ive seen it with my own eyes (i live in south carolina)






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Tell me how international world government will be any different.

I am still waiting for a answer from somebody

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Postby Hetalia7 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:17 am

Anarcho Syndicalista wrote:What is interesting is nobody thinks of the consequences or negative ramifications of globalism, internationalism, and the move towards global government they just blindly believe in it with a fatal optimism.



the negative effects of globalism is the same as imperialism the rich want more markets to sell their stuff which does help the economy well at least for them

and i had no clue people wanted some global government looks like i need to go bunker shopping

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Postby Anarcho Syndicalista » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:19 am

Hetalia7 wrote:
Anarcho Syndicalista wrote:What is interesting is nobody thinks of the consequences or negative ramifications of globalism, internationalism, and the move towards global government they just blindly believe in it with a fatal optimism.



the negative effects of globalism is the same as imperialism the rich want more markets to sell their stuff which does help the economy well at least for them

and i had no clue people wanted some global government looks like i need to go bunker shopping


The opposite of nationalism is internationalism.


Internationalism is the move towards authoritarian world governance.

What did you think internationalism was?

A trip to fantasy land?

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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:19 am

Anarcho Syndicalista wrote:
Hetalia7 wrote:I hate nationalism the only reason it was founded was to make every one the government's mind slaves and it has the effect of war=peace when every one is nationalist and to busy hating the opposing side their is no crime or care about what the government is doing ive seen it with my own eyes (i live in south carolina)






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Tell me how international world government will be any different.

I am still waiting for a answer from somebody


First, tell us how opposition to nationalism automatically translates to support for an international world government.
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Postby The Wadgelands » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:24 am

I really have no idea why anyone would thinking that 'loving your country over others' is a positive trait to have. Being proud of your country, and especially believing it is the best (not that all patriots/nationalists are like that ^^') seems so illogical, as it is highly unlikely you are involved in running it/setting it up. I simply don't understand nationalism or patriotism, in the same way I don't understand why you would brag about your favourite sports team beating someone else's sports team...
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Postby Astrolinium » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:25 am

I am a nationalist and a patriot. I'm not some jingoistic warmongering ignoramus, but I am a product of my nation and my community and so I take pride in that nation and community and I feel I have a duty to serve it and preserve it should that need seriously arise - to think otherwise is a disrespect for an environment without which you would not exist as the person you are.
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Postby New Acardia » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:28 am

I do like civic nationalism( I am a Democratic Nationalist) and I want my nation to prosper. But viewing other people as bad because they are different is very bad.

And I think a gobel government would be the worst thing that could happen. Because it would end up being eather a dictaorship or a kleptocracy(With The UN being a good example of a kleptocracy)

And as for religion I think it makes people who want to be good better( Rember that religion has done alot of good as well) and pepole who want to be evil worst.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:29 am

Anarcho Syndicalista wrote:
Hetalia7 wrote:

the negative effects of globalism is the same as imperialism the rich want more markets to sell their stuff which does help the economy well at least for them

and i had no clue people wanted some global government looks like i need to go bunker shopping


The opposite of nationalism is internationalism.

Internationalism is the move towards authoritarian world governance.

What did you think internationalism was?

A trip to fantasy land?


I do not think that this word that you are using so frequently means what you think it means.

Merriam-Webster wrote:in·ter·na·tion·al·ism noun \-ˈnash-nə-ˌli-zəm, -ˈna-shə-nə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of INTERNATIONALISM
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: international character, principles, interests, or outlook
2
a : a policy of cooperation among nations
b : an attitude or belief favoring such a policy


I was right. Internationalism does not, in fact, mean what you think it means.
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