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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:35 am

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The I generally stands for intersex -- someone who is born with ambiguous genitalia.

Longer acronyms include LGBTTIQQ2SAA (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, intersex, queer, questioning, two-spirit, asexual, ally), by which time I think it is getting ridiculous and too much of an attempt at political correctness (well, something like it) by including every label. Trouble is, some are left out even in that -- where be the genderqueer, genderfluid, bigender, pansexual, gray-a, etc. people? Since it's clearly meant to encompass everyone, the ommissions are more glaring.

That's why I usually stick to one of three: LGBTQ, since it's widely understood and the queer Q is a recognition there are more labels whilst not having to list them all or leave one out by accident, queer, since it's quick and simple (but some people are offended by it), and GSM. GSM is "gender and sexuality minorities", which includes every non-straight and non-cis label or lack thereof, is short and memorable, and cannot offend anyone.


As an ally, I would like to state that I don't really need to be in there. In fact, it kind of cheapens it to have me in the alphabet soup.

Sexual orientation and gender minority alphabet soup... you'd make a fortune.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:40 am

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Postby Dreporia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:49 am

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Terra Francia wrote:Honestly I don't know, lately I've found both genders attractive. /confusedteen

Hmm. Right now it seems like you're questioning, although you could be bi. *sigh* sexual orientations are sooooo confusing.


Probably because people try to give sexual orientations names instead of realizing that almost nobody has the exact same sexual desires as another person. It's about as diverse as a fingerprint.

You are just you, stop labeling.

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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:50 am

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San Pellegrino Romana wrote:Hmm. Right now it seems like you're questioning, although you could be bi. *sigh* sexual orientations are sooooo confusing.


Probably because people try to give sexual orientations names instead of realizing that almost nobody has the exact same sexual desires as another person. It's about as diverse as a fingerprint.

You are just you, stop labeling.

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Postby Dreporia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:01 am

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Probably because people try to give sexual orientations names instead of realizing that almost nobody has the exact same sexual desires as another person. It's about as diverse as a fingerprint.

You are just you, stop labeling.

Labeling makes society more efficient.
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Try to tell me what is efficient about labeling in this particular area.

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:04 am

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Zottistan wrote:Labeling makes society more efficient.
MOAR EFFICIENCY!!!11!111!!!eleven!!


Try to tell me what is efficient about labeling in this particular area.

Well, if I say "I am Bisexual," then people know that I like guys and girls, so if they like me they know that a sexual relationship with me is possible. If I reject labelling, then no-one has a clue whether or not they can get off with me. And to be honest, I am bisexual, it can be clearly defined. Or may we now not label spades as spades?
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Postby Dreporia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:07 am

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Try to tell me what is efficient about labeling in this particular area.

Well, if I say "I am Bisexual," then people know that I like guys and girls, so if they like me they know that a sexual relationship with me is possible. If I reject labelling, then no-one has a clue whether or not they can get off with me. And to be honest, I am bisexual, it can be clearly defined. Or may we now not label spades as spades?


Bisexuality says nothing about age, appearence, or personality preferences. So how to i have "a clue whether or not I can get off with you" ?

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:11 am

Dreporia wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Well, if I say "I am Bisexual," then people know that I like guys and girls, so if they like me they know that a sexual relationship with me is possible. If I reject labelling, then no-one has a clue whether or not they can get off with me. And to be honest, I am bisexual, it can be clearly defined. Or may we now not label spades as spades?


Bisexuality says nothing about age, appearence, or personality preferences. So how to i have "a clue whether or not I can get off with you" ?

Well, of course that's not all, but at least it's a good start, no?
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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:16 am

Dreporia wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Well, if I say "I am Bisexual," then people know that I like guys and girls, so if they like me they know that a sexual relationship with me is possible. If I reject labelling, then no-one has a clue whether or not they can get off with me. And to be honest, I am bisexual, it can be clearly defined. Or may we now not label spades as spades?


Bisexuality says nothing about age, appearence, or personality preferences. So how to i have "a clue whether or not I can get off with you" ?

It says more about who you are than nothing.
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Postby Dreporia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:22 am

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Dreporia wrote:
Bisexuality says nothing about age, appearence, or personality preferences. So how to i have "a clue whether or not I can get off with you" ?

Well, of course that's not all, but at least it's a good start, no?


Only if you're using eharmony. ;)

But for real, if you hang out with someone it should become fairly obvious if you both like each other, even not knowing all the other person's preferences. I seriously doubt anyone sits down and asks a friend all these questions to see if they fit the category.

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:25 am

Dreporia wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Well, of course that's not all, but at least it's a good start, no?


Only if you're using eharmony. ;)

But for real, if you hang out with someone it should become fairly obvious if you both like each other, even not knowing all the other person's preferences. I seriously doubt anyone sits down and asks a friend all these questions to see if they fit the category.

It's not always clear whether or not people like like each other. Some people show it more than others. Especially when the object of their affections is the same sex as them, people can also be very reserved about it.
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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:30 am

Jormengand wrote:
Dreporia wrote:
Only if you're using eharmony. ;)

But for real, if you hang out with someone it should become fairly obvious if you both like each other, even not knowing all the other person's preferences. I seriously doubt anyone sits down and asks a friend all these questions to see if they fit the category.

It's not always clear whether or not people like like each other. Some people show it more than others. Especially when the object of their affections is the same sex as them, people can also be very reserved about it.

I get this. A lot.
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Postby San Pellegrino Romana » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:35 am

Zottistan wrote:
Jormengand wrote:It's not always clear whether or not people like like each other. Some people show it more than others. Especially when the object of their affections is the same sex as them, people can also be very reserved about it.

I get this. A lot.

Same here. I'm in the process of coming out right now and am going through this right now with a guy I like.
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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:44 am

San Pellegrino Romana wrote:
Zottistan wrote:I get this. A lot.

Same here. I'm in the process of coming out right now and am going through this right now with a guy I like.

Hmm. Same, but I have no intention of coming out for at least another three, four years.
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Postby Jormengand » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:46 am

Zottistan wrote:
San Pellegrino Romana wrote:Same here. I'm in the process of coming out right now and am going through this right now with a guy I like.

Hmm. Same, but I have no intention of coming out for at least another three, four years.

Bah. *Forcefully tears closet apart with bare hands.*
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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:50 am

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Zottistan wrote:Hmm. Same, but I have no intention of coming out for at least another three, four years.

Bah. *Forcefully tears closet apart with bare hands.*

Who said anything about a closet? I'm in the shower.
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Postby Jormengand » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:52 am

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Jormengand wrote:Bah. *Forcefully tears closet apart with bare hands.*

Who said anything about a closet? I'm in the shower.

Oh, okay. Can I come in with you? ;)
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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:57 am

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Zottistan wrote:Who said anything about a closet? I'm in the shower.

Oh, okay. Can I come in with you? ;)

It's a little crowded. I'm hiding Anne Frank and her family in here... but, ah, what the hell. Welcome in.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:58 am

Liriena wrote:Having a discussion with a lesbian who is against marriage equality...What the hell is wrong with our world?


What on earth...

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Postby Dreporia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:02 am

Jormengand wrote:
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Only if you're using eharmony. ;)

But for real, if you hang out with someone it should become fairly obvious if you both like each other, even not knowing all the other person's preferences. I seriously doubt anyone sits down and asks a friend all these questions to see if they fit the category.

It's not always clear whether or not people like like each other. Some people show it more than others. Especially when the object of their affections is the same sex as them, people can also be very reserved about it.


I kind of see what you're getting at, but knowing somebody is attracted to your gender doesn't automatically mean you like them/they like you. You STILL have to go through the messy process of finding out if the other person likes you or not.

And if somebody doesn't return subtle hints that you like them, they probably arent looking for them (because they dont have the same feelings).
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:04 am

Dreporia wrote:
Jormengand wrote:It's not always clear whether or not people like like each other. Some people show it more than others. Especially when the object of their affections is the same sex as them, people can also be very reserved about it.


I kind of see what you're getting at, but knowing somebody is attracted to your gender doesn't automatically mean you like them. You STILL have to go through the messy process of finding out if the other person likes you or not.

And if somebody doesn't return subtle hints that you like them, they probably arent looking for them (because they dont have the same feelings).


I have a bit of a similar situation like that, though it's really more of a matter of looking for a relationship than attraction at all.

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:04 am

Dreporia wrote:
Jormengand wrote:It's not always clear whether or not people like like each other. Some people show it more than others. Especially when the object of their affections is the same sex as them, people can also be very reserved about it.


I kind of see what you're getting at, but knowing somebody is attracted to your gender doesn't automatically mean you like them/they like you. You STILL have to go through the messy process of finding out if the other person likes you or not.

And if somebody doesn't return subtle hints that you like them, they probably arent looking for them (because they dont have the same feelings).

Obviously it doesn't mean that, but it's still helpful to know.
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Postby Cycloneland » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:14 am

I'm a gay man, out to everyone, and I will marry my boyfriend next year. I live in Quebec, Canada :)

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Postby Dreporia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:16 am

Jormengand wrote:
Dreporia wrote:
I kind of see what you're getting at, but knowing somebody is attracted to your gender doesn't automatically mean you like them/they like you. You STILL have to go through the messy process of finding out if the other person likes you or not.

And if somebody doesn't return subtle hints that you like them, they probably arent looking for them (because they dont have the same feelings).

Obviously it doesn't mean that, but it's still helpful to know.


Certainly. I don't have a problem with you knowing somebody's preferences at all, I just have a problem with giving humans broad labels.

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:19 am

Dreporia wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Obviously it doesn't mean that, but it's still helpful to know.


Certainly. I don't have a problem with you knowing somebody's preferences at all, I just have a problem with giving humans broad labels.

Why?
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