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Postby Neo Art » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:02 am

For those of you around to remember, myself and Jocabia, another poster on NSG, had a bet in 2008 over who could predict the winner. The bet was that the loser had to publically admit he lost. After the election, Jocabia won, and had his triumph (a rare moment when I admitted my error). In the spirit of that debate, and in honor of my agreement four years ago, I create this thread in its memory.

We are now officially less than two weeks away from the election to determine who will be the next President of the United States, either incumbent Barack H. Obama (D) or challenger Willard “Mitt” Romney (R).

This thread is for posters to give their predictions of the election, and nothing more. It is not a place to discuss the election in general, there’s a megathread for that. It’s likewise not to discuss the horse race in statistical terms, there’s a thread for that.

It’s not to discuss the merits or flaws in either candidate’s position, there’s a lot of threads for that.

This is solely a competition to determine who will most accurately predict the results of the election. ANY discussion that is not on topic will be reported, let’s keep this thread clean for the participants, and the judges.

Here’s how it works. Every one of the 50 states, plus the District of Columbia, has an amount of electoral votes equal to the total number of representatives that state has in the United States Congress. Whatever candidate receives the most votes in each state’s popular vote, will win the electoral votes for that state (exceptions are Maine and Nebraska which can split votes) There are a total of 538 electoral votes. Whatever candidate receives 270 or more votes will win the election. This voting assumes no “faithless electors”, and if a candidate wins a state, he will receive all electoral votes for that state, unless the state allows for split votes.

In the event of an electoral college tie (269 votes each, a mathematical possibility), the President will be determined by the US House of Representatives.

Conventional wisdom agrees, based on polling, that some states are “safe Obama” and some states are “safe Romney”, meaning that they are extremely likely (90%+ chance) to go to that particular candidate. There are also 11 “swing” states which, while potentially leaning towards one way or another, the belief is that the margin is small enough that it could be “swung” one way or the other..

OBAMA STATES (201 total electoral votes):

California (55)
Connecticut (7)
Delaware (3)
Hawaii (4)
Illinois (20)
Maine (4 – Maine splits electoral votes, Obama is projected to win them all)
Maryland (10)
Massachusetts (11)
Minnesota (10)
New Jersey (14)
New Mexico (5)
New York (29)
Oregon (7)
Rhode Island (4)
Vermont (3)
Washington (12)
Washington DC (3)


ROMNEY STATES (191 total electoral votes)

Alabama (9)
Alaska (3)
Arizona (11)
Arkansas (6)
Georgia (16)
Idaho (4)
Indiana (11)
Kansas (6)
Kentucky (8)
Louisiana (8)
Mississippi (6)
Missouri (10)
Montana (3)
Nebraska (5 – Nebraska splits electoral votes, Romney is projected to win them all)
North Dakota (3)
Oklahoma (7)
South Carolina (9)
South Dakota (3)
Tennessee (11)
Texas (38)
Utah (6)
West Virginia (5)
Wyoming (3)



SWING STATES (146 total electoral votes)

Colorado (9)
Florida (29)
Iowa (6)
Michigan (16)
Nevada (6)
New Hampshire (4)
North Carolina (15)
Ohio (18)
Pennsylvania (20)
Virginia (13)
Wisconsin (10)


So, here are the rules. Failure to abide by the rules will result in disqualification and make you ineligible to win the contest.

1) Your post must contain a final vote total, and a complete breakdown of all electoral college votes, or be written in such a way so that the reader can easily discern who you believe will be given every vote. Therefore, if you believe conventional wisdom, you can simply say that you believe Obama will win the “Obama states”, and save time and space, same with Romney. You don’t have to list everything, but write it in such a way where every vote can be inferred. For example:

“Romney wins the Romney States plus Florida and North Carolina. Obama wins the rest Obama: 303, Romney: 235”

Is fine, since it clearly explains the breakdown of every state, all states designated “Romney safe” and North Carolina + Florida, the balance to Obama.

2) One post per poster. You are allowed only one post with a prediction, that is the post that will be used, if you post multiple times, only your first post will be used in determining the winner

3) No entries or edits after 11:59 PM EST 11/02/12. This is about who is best at predicting, not who can get the last post in before the news calls the winner. Any entry after 11:59 PM EST 11/02/12 will not be considered, but of course you can still post if you want, you just can’t win. Likewise you can edit your initial post as much as you want, but not after that time. Any posts showing an edit timestamp after that time will be disqualified.

4) The winner of this contest will be determined in the following fashion:

- the poster who accurately predicted the race results will be the winner of the contest. Meaning the poster who correctly predicted the outcome of every state, plus the District of Columbia.

- In the event that no poster accurately predicts the election entirely, the winner of this contest will be the one who accurately predicts the electoral college spread, but does not fully predict the states that accompany it.

- In the event that no poster accurately predicts the electoral college votes, the winner of this contest will be the one who accurately predicts the winner of the election, and comes closest to the actual electoral college vote for the winning candidate, without the prediction exceeding the actual results.

- In the event that no poster accurately predicted the winner of the election, without predicting an excessive number of electoral college votes for the winner of the election, the winner of this contest will be the one who accurately predicted the winner of the election, and whose prediction came closest to the actual electoral college votes received by the winner of the election. In the event of an electoral college tie, the winner of the election will, for the purposes of this contest, be presumed to be the individual whose party wins the majority of the seats in the House of Representatives.

- In the event that no poster accurately predicted the winner, we all lose because, seriously somebody has to vote for Romney.

6) In the event of any tie, based on the winning criteria, the winner of this contest will be determined based on who posted first (if the post has been edited, the edit time will be considered the time of posting)

Ready? BEGIN!
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:09 am

Obama 294 Romney 244
Obama takes Obama states, Romney takes the Romney states.
Of the swing states Romney wins Florida, South Carolina, and Colorado with Obama taking the rest.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:12 am

To start the ball rolling, here goes, my prediction:

Obama will win the "Obama states" plus:

New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Iowa

Romney will win the rest.

Obama wins, 281/257

See the map here:

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=SgN
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:14 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Obama 294 Romney 244


This is not a valid entry, your post must contain not just an outcome, but a state by state prediction.

If you wish to do it by url, you can enter your prediction here: http://www.270towin.com/

Then hit the "share" button which will generate a URL you can paste.
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Postby Tyrants » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:16 am

Both candidates win their safe seats. Romney wins Florida and Virginia. Obama wins the rest.

Obama: 305 votes

Romney: 233 votes

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=UUW
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:19 am

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=Shf

I first made it aesthatically pleasing but it became 269-269. So I gave Virginia to Obama.

I'm relatively unaware of American domestic politics and how the states tend to vote, so I'm just playing for shits and giggles.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:21 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=Shf

I first made it aesthatically pleasing but it became 269-269. So I gave Virginia to Obama.

I'm relatively unaware of American domestic politics and how the states tend to vote, so I'm just playing for shits and giggles.


For someone just sorta screwing around, you've come up with a remarkably plausable scenario.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:22 am

I know spelling isn't really your thing, but you should probably at least spell Barack Obama's name correctly.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:26 am

Neo Art wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=Shf

I first made it aesthatically pleasing but it became 269-269. So I gave Virginia to Obama.

I'm relatively unaware of American domestic politics and how the states tend to vote, so I'm just playing for shits and giggles.


For someone just sorta screwing around, you've come up with a remarkably plausable scenario.


I know, I kept the safe states safe and just coloured from there. Virginia does look like an ugly blue spot out there, maybe I should have kept it Romney and give Nevada to Obama, oh well, not going to change my vote. Someone else can do the aesthically pleasing map :p

Also, why is your right wing party red. Red is the colour of communism, silly Americans :p (sorry, had to rant that one)
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Postby Tahar Joblis » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:31 am

Put me down for the gutsy move w.r.t NC and VA - the early voting numbers are very good in NC and I'm feeling optimistic, VA models as going to Obama in most of the situations where NC does... I'm also hanging my butt out a little on CO, but if it's an overall high-turnout year, he should win it again:

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=Sir

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Postby Almaniania » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:34 am

Obama takes all Obama states- 201 electoral votes

Romney talks all Romney states- 191 electoral votes

Colorado (9)
Florida (29)
Iowa (6)
Michigan (16)
Nevada (6)
New Hampshire (4)
North Carolina (15)
Ohio (18)
Pennsylvania (20)
Virginia (13)
Wisconsin (10)

Therefore, Barack Obama will hopefully win with 294 electoral votes and Mitt Romney will lose the Presidential Election with 244 electoral votes.

Tahar Joblis wrote:Put me down for the gutsy move w.r.t NC and VA - the early voting numbers are very good in NC and I'm feeling optimistic, VA models as going to Obama in most of the situations where NC does... I'm also hanging my butt out a little on CO, but if it's an overall high-turnout year, he should win it again:

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=Sir

That's quite ballsy if you ask me... wouldn't think of NC going Dem... :P
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:38 am

Sdaeriji wrote:I know spelling isn't really your thing, but you should probably at least spell Barack Obama's name correctly.


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Postby Raeyh » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:40 am

The incumbent will win.

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Postby Neo Art » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:42 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Also, why is your right wing party red. Red is the colour of communism, silly Americans :p (sorry, had to rant that one)


A reasonably new thing, actually. They used to more or less alternate, or networks would come up with their own. In 2000, during the Bush v. Gore election, CNN had assigned "red" to republican, and blue to democrat, and since that election got SO much news, and there were so many images of the election map (sans florida) that floated in the national conciousness for over a month, that were republican red and democrat blue, that we've sorta stuck with it from there.

For a counterpoint, see this historical image from the 1984 election showing the states that Republican Regan won, in blue:

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Edit: that said, I'm breaking my own rules a bit, let's try to restrict discussion to predictions, and discussions about predictions.
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Postby Potlimitomaha » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:47 am

Neo Art wrote:To start the ball rolling, here goes, my prediction:

Obama will win the "Obama states" plus:

New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Iowa

Romney will win the rest.

Obama wins, 281/257

See the map here:

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=SgN


What he said except Romney gets Nevada. Obama wins 275-261.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:55 am


Didn't Nebraska change their process and make it winner-take-all?
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Postby Britannic Realms » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:16 am

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This is my prediction using the thingy from the BBC's US Election website.

I predict that Romney will win by a small margin, and I'm sure you can who got which states.
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:50 am

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=SxK
The safe states go to their respective candidates

Swing states for Romney:
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Iowa
Nevada
North Carolina

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Virginia

Obama wins 291-247
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:25 pm

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_p ... ?mapid=SCg

Obama swing states: Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin.

Romney swing states: North Carolina, Iowa, Florida.

Obama will win, in my opinion, by 303 to 235. This is just guessy-guessing, though, with some knowledge of the election campaign. I've probably got Obama's margin of victory too big, but if I'm right, and Obama wins 303-235, then you heard it here first. ;)
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Postby Anarcosyndiclic Peons » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:06 pm

Romney wins his safe states + Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia for 248. Obama wins the rest for 290. Obama wins the popular vote by 0.5%.

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What is the prize?
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Miss Defied wrote:What is the prize?
I'm trying to rationalize spending the 99 cents on the 270towin app. It's that or get out of bed and fire up that colossal machine in the basement. Neither are appealing ATM. I realy need a nap.


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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:53 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Miss Defied wrote:What is the prize?
I'm trying to rationalize spending the 99 cents on the 270towin app. It's that or get out of bed and fire up that colossal machine in the basement. Neither are appealing ATM. I realy need a nap.


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:56 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
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You should rename the thread "In The Future, Everyone Will Be ASB For Fifteen Minutes".


Then I have to withdraw. I do not want to be ASB.
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