Cyprus Dispute

[Alassus]

How about you get your army bases out the fuck of my country? Cyprus has always been Greek, Turkish-Cypriots are a minority, they came as invaders in the medieval times and again as invaders in 1974. You want equality? Well, shove that equality up your ass.

And the international community blames Turkey for being an obstacle to the solution in the island...

I'm sick of the Turkish plans who give more rights to the Turkish population, Cyprus will never be united again. If it does, it will be a dumb move because probably a civil war would happen in a short time.

[70 Ophiuchi]

And the international community blames Turkey for being an obstacle to the solution in the island...

Because Turkey has been an obstacle to the solution (it was their unreasonable demands which caused a Greek Cypriot no vote).

[CTALNH]

What?

I defend a Cyprus in its integrity, not a british colony, nor a greek island, nor a divided state.

Ha good luck with that....
Because not even them want this!

[Ifreann]

Who said they were a separate ethnicity?

Wasn't that what he meant?

I think what he meant is that Cyprus should be an independent country. Obviously the people living in that country would be Cypriots.

[East Ormania]

I defend a Cyprus in its integrity, not a british colony, nor a greek island, nor a divided state.

Ha good luck with that....
Because not even them want this!

Oh dear god i find myself in the losing side again!
Turkey must be a tempting land to join.

[Kemalist]

And the international community blames Turkey for being an obstacle to the solution in the island...

Because Turkey has been an obstacle to the solution (it was their unreasonable demands which caused a Greek Cypriot no vote).

Have you checked the post I quoted ? how can you have a healthy solution with the side fanatically claiming that the island only belongs to their own ethnic group ?

Yea, Turks are guilty again because the Greek Cypriots voted against the solution and the unification. If the sides were the opposite, I mean, if the Turks voted against the referendum, they would be harshly criticized by the international community.

[CTALNH]

Wasn't that what he meant?

I think what he meant is that Cyprus should be an independent country. Obviously the people living in that country would be Cypriots.

Hey I have crazy dreams thats more crazy than them!

[CTALNH]

Ha good luck with that....
Because not even them want this!

Oh dear god i find myself in the losing side again!
Turkey must be a tempting land to join.

I never said they would become part of Greece but sure us hell the Greek side is not going to agree to anything with the Turk one

[Polkopia]

Who said they were a separate ethnicity?

Wasn't that what he meant?

No, I meant that Turkey and Greece should stop fighting about who owns it and just let Cyprus own itself... if that makes sense

[Saruhan]

It should be united under the legitimate government in the South

[Alassus]

Because Turkey has been an obstacle to the solution (it was their unreasonable demands which caused a Greek Cypriot no vote).

Have you checked the post I quoted ? how can you have a healthy solution with the side fanatically claiming that the island only belongs to their own ethnic group ?

Yea, Turks are guilty again because the Greek Cypriots voted against the solution and the unification. If the sides were the opposite, I mean, if the Turks voted against the referendum, they would be harshly criticized by the international community.

"unification" If you are trying to imply that the Annan plan was unification, I hope you are kidding.

Maybe if you didn't commit war crimes against the Greek ethnicity, the one side wouldn't be that fanatical.

Let me also remind you that the 95% of the Cypriot population in 1930 voted Yes for Enosis.

[CTALNH]

Have you checked the post I quoted ? how can you have a healthy solution with the side fanatically claiming that the island only belongs to their own ethnic group ?

Yea, Turks are guilty again because the Greek Cypriots voted against the solution and the unification. If the sides were the opposite, I mean, if the Turks voted against the referendum, they would be harshly criticized by the international community.

"unification" If you are trying to imply that the Annan plan was unification, I hope you are kidding.

Maybe if you didn't commit war crimes against the Greek ethnicity, the one side wouldn't be that fanatical.

Let me also remind you that the 95% of the Cypriot population in 1930 voted Yes for Enosis.

Dude....wake up we will never be united with Cyprus...
We don't even have the military to enforce our will to do that!

[Kemalist]

Have you checked the post I quoted ? how can you have a healthy solution with the side fanatically claiming that the island only belongs to their own ethnic group ?

Yea, Turks are guilty again because the Greek Cypriots voted against the solution and the unification. If the sides were the opposite, I mean, if the Turks voted against the referendum, they would be harshly criticized by the international community.

"unification" If you are trying to imply that the Annan plan was unification, I hope you are kidding.

Maybe if you didn't commit war crimes against the Greek ethnicity, the one side wouldn't be that fanatical.

Let me also remind you that the 95% of the Cypriot population in 1930 voted Yes for Enosis.

I'm not sure if there was a referendum there in 1930. But if you mean the one in 1950, where the Turkish population was not even allowed to vote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_En ... ndum,_1950

[East Ormania]

Oh dear god i find myself in the losing side again!
Turkey must be a tempting land to join.

I never said they would become part of Greece but sure us hell the Greek side is not going to agree to anything with the Turk one

Just a dumb idea here, but is a minor scaled conflict between the two possible?

[Alassus]

"unification" If you are trying to imply that the Annan plan was unification, I hope you are kidding.

Maybe if you didn't commit war crimes against the Greek ethnicity, the one side wouldn't be that fanatical.

Let me also remind you that the 95% of the Cypriot population in 1930 voted Yes for Enosis.

I'm not sure if there was a referendum there in 1930. But if you mean the one in 1950, where the Turkish population was not even allowed to vote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_En ... ndum,_1950

I apologize for misreading the article, I confused the demonstration with the referendum.
Even tough the results would be slightly different even if the Turkish population voted since more than the 80% of the island in the 50's was Greek-Cypriot.

[CTALNH]

I never said they would become part of Greece but sure us hell the Greek side is not going to agree to anything with the Turk one

Just a dumb idea here, but is a minor scaled conflict between the two possible?

Sure buts its gonna drag both Greece and Turkey in it...

Never mind the UN and OHE....

[Alassus]

The unification will never work as long as Turkey threats South Cyprus.

[Great Nepal]

Greece could sell it off to highest bidder... and use it to pay off its debt.
Hopefully, that buyer has large army: and shuts up Turkey.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

It should be given to Israel so they can rule it.

[Thaipursia]

Cyprus should find a solution for re-unification, without Turkish intervention, meddling, occupation.

[East Ormania]

Just a dumb idea here, but is a minor scaled conflict between the two possible?

Sure buts its gonna drag both Greece and Turkey in it...

Never mind the UN and OHE....

That's just what i meant.

[Camelza]

Under Byzantine rule Cyprus prospered despite raids by the Arabs between the 7th century and the 10th century. However by the 12th century the Byzantine Empire was declining. In 1184 a Byzantine prince called Comnenus declared Cyprus independent from the rest of the empire. However independence did not last long. In 1191 Richard I, king of England captured Cyprus. He sold it to a Frenchman named Guy de Lusignan.

The Lusignans ruled Cyprus for 3 centuries. Cyprus became a feudal kingdom where a Catholic elite ruled over the Orthodox majority. However in the 14th century the Italian cities of Genoa and Venice were growing increasingly rich and powerful threatening the independence of Cyrpus. The in 1425 the Mamelukes from Egypt raided Cyprus. Finally a king of Cyprus married a Venetian woman. The king died leaving the queen sole ruler of Cyprus. In 1489 she was persuaded to abdicate and Cyprus came under direct Venetian rule. However the Ottoman Turks were now the rising power in the Mediterranean. In 1571 they conquered Cyprus.

At first most Cypriots welcomed Turkish rule preferring it to the oppressive Venetian rule. The feudal system was abolished and the Turks respected the Orthodox Church. Nevertheless plague struck Cyprus at intervals and there were eventually rebellions against Turkish rule.

In the 19th century Britain became a superpower. In 1875 the Suez Canal opened and Britain was keen to protect the route to India. In 1878 the British were allowed to occupy and administer Cyprus (although Turkey was technically still sovereign). However in 1914 the Turks joined Germany's side in the First World War and Britain formally annexed Cyprus. In 1925 Cyprus was made a British Crown Colony.

However Greek Orthodox Cypriots now demanded enosis (union with Greece) and in 1931 riots took place. During the Second World War many Cypriots fought for the British. However when peace came Greek Orthodox Cypriots again demanded union with Greece. Turkish Cypriots, on the other hand wanted British rule to continue.

In 1955 a Greek Cypriot organisation called EOKA began a series of bombings in Cyprus. In 1958 a Turkish organisation called TMT was formed and intercommunal fighting began. Finally in 1960 Cyprus was granted independence. Archbishop Makarios was elected president.

However in 1963 the Greeks proposed changes to the constitution. The Turks refused and there was more intercommunal fighting. In 1964 the UN sent a peacekeeping force to Cyprus. However a solution was not found and in April 1974 hardline Greeks staged a coup. Archbishop Markarios was overthrown and fled abroad. As a result in July 1974 Turkish forces invaded Northern Cyprus. The island the became partitioned. Refugees from both sides crossed the border between the two parts of Cyprus. Meanwhile the hardliners fell from power and in December 1974 Archbishop Makarios returned from exile. He died in 1977.

In 1975 the Turkish section called itself the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus and it seemed that some sort of federation of the two parts might be possible. However in 1983 the Turkish section of Cyprus declared full independence. It called itself the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus.

The two sections of Cyprus remained separate and in 2004 the Southern (Greek) Republic of Cyprus joined the EU. Today the population of the whole of Cyprus is 1.1 million.

http://www.localhistories.org/cyprus.html

I think the most healthy solution is two separated independent nation both for Greek and Turkish peoples. The British existence in the island should be ended and the remaining lands should be shared between two sides in an equal way.

What's your opinion ?

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Glad you made that thread after all,I personally support that Cyprus should be an independent Greek state with a respected and safe turkish minority as it was under president Makarios,I also support that the turkish colonisers from anatolia should give back the properties and houses they were given from the NTRC who in their turn took those lands from their rightful Greek owners,one of them my uncle ...I do however also support governmental housing for those colonisers and I believe it is unjust to "kick them out".

As for history,you don't mention that it was because of EOKA mainly that the British left the island ..they didn't just "put some bombs"they fought for the island's freedom and union with it's motherland,right or wrong,that's the truth.

..you also didn't mention about the countless rapes murders and abuses by the Turkish invaders,which are of a much bigger scale than the intercommunity violent of the 50s and 70s.

[Kemalist]

I'm not sure if there was a referendum there in 1930. But if you mean the one in 1950, where the Turkish population was not even allowed to vote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_En ... ndum,_1950

I apologize for misreading the article, I confused the demonstration with the referendum.
Even tough the results would be slightly different even if the Turkish population voted since more than the 80% of the island in the 50's was Greek-Cypriot.

Even so, the ENOSIS plan has lost its legitimacy after so much crimes, murders and ethnic cleanses committed for the sake of it (just like Nazism and Fascism). The fact is, Turkish Cypriots are a majority in a significant part of the island and their rights can not be ignored.

[Baltenstein]

But the Republic of Cyprus officially claims to be the only authority of the whole island, which would include a significant Turkish population. But it shows how they are sincere about this claim, by ignoring the existence of the Turkish population. I would have no objection if they officially named themselves '' The Greek Republic of Southern Cyprus '' or something and gave up their claims over the Northern part with a Turkish Cypriot majority. For example, the sovereign state on the North is officially named '' The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus '', which has no claim over the South. This is much more reasonable.

That's hardly surprising, considering the status quo was achieved through a Turkish military invasion and subsequent ethnic cleansing of the Greek Cypriot population of Northern Cyprus - who were actually the majority there before 1974. Why should the Cypriot government officially rename and redefine itself in response to an act of foreign aggression? If some hostile power invades and occupies Eastern Turkey, chances are the remainder won't just rename itself into "Republic of Western Turkey" either.

Colonists ? oh, that's a pretty biased description. Turks have been there for 600 years. Even before the America got under European colonists' hegemony.

I think the Anatolians that have been settled there by the Turkish state since 1974 fit the definition of "colonist" quite nicely.

Wiki quote:

In 2010, the International Crisis Group estimated that the total population of Cyprus was 1.1 million, of which there was an estimated 300,000 residents in the north, perhaps half of whom were either born in Turkey or are children of such settlers. One source claims that the population in the north has reached 500,000, 50% of which are thought to be Turkish settlers or Cypriot-born children of such settlers.

[Alassus]

I apologize for misreading the article, I confused the demonstration with the referendum.
Even tough the results would be slightly different even if the Turkish population voted since more than the 80% of the island in the 50's was Greek-Cypriot.

Even so, the ENOSIS plan has lost its legitimacy after so much crimes, murders and ethnic cleanses committed for the sake of it (just like Nazism and Fascism). The fact is, Turkish Cypriots are a majority in a significant part of the island and their rights can not be ignored.

You came as invaders, you committed a lot of war crimes not compared with ours, you caused EOKA B and you still want to recognize you as a majority? You invaded, not for giving freedom, but using the geographical position of Cyprus to take advantage of the South Mediterranean wealth.