The threat of homosexuality

[San Leggera]

Why even the debate about something that is inherent in our biology ? You can condemn homosexuality all you want, but the fact is, it will remain with our species, as long as we exist. I am tired of hearing others arguing against my existence, labelling a whole subset of humans as "immoral" or "deviant". To quote Shakespeare, "Have I not eyes to see, or ears to hear ? If you prick me, do I not bleed ?"
Homosexuality is no more a threat to others, than being a redhead, hexdactyl, or left handed. For once let's argue about how Heterosexuals caused so many wars, created the atomic bomb, instigated and pushed genocide, etc. Once you can absolve yourselves of that, then you vcan get all upset about two men/ two women kissing in public.

Three words.

Alexander the Great.

Because that was obviously down to his sexuality.

[Raeyh]

Three words.

Alexander the Great.

I think Greece was better as individual city-states.

[Person012345]

if your talking about women its o.k. but its wrong with guys

[citation needed]

[Fluffy Coyotes]

HIV/AIDS rates and other STD rates are much higher among the LGBT community than the straight community and LGBT people are much more likely to sexual promiscuous and domestic violence is much higher among same-sex couples.

That could have something to do with social stigmatization against gay or bisexual people driving their sexual activities underground and making them less likely to seek out relationship counselling and the like.

[Menassa]

Three words.

Alexander the Great.

Because that was obviously down to his sexuality.

No, and neither were most of the wars started by heterosexuals.

[Risottia]

Care to provide a source?

My source is history itself.

To wit: One can argue that, for better or for worse, Christianity has shaped modern civilization.

The Bible talks A LOT about homosexuality. Christ himself doesn't, mind you, but the Bible does. Without something to demonize, the bible becomes less effective.

Cleopatra is believed to be bisexual or possibly pansexual. Without Cleopatra's sexual nature, the entire course of ancient history would have drastically changed.

Sappho of Lesbos, yes that's a real person, was a lesbian and was a massive contributor to Greek literature.

Homosexuality was practiced often in Rome and Japan, to economic and social success. Thus there societies would suffer without.

Lawrence of Arabia is believed to be homosexual, and that the incompatibility with this was his reason for volunteering for duty in a region where he did not believe he would be persecuted. We may have well lost WWI without Lawrence of Arabia.

With different history comes a different present.

Also: Brunetto Latini, Dante's legal custodian and teacher. Canto XV "clerks and great and famous scholars, defiled in the world by one and the same sin".
Just like Leonardo Da Vinci, and Alan Turing.

[Risottia]

And if we keep on thinking that such posts are the products of rational thought and maybe even significative, then we are on a slippery slope to where we would soon be thinking that Minju Choson and heck even Faux News are legitimate news sources...

And then what? Infowars gets taken seriously? *shudder*

Yup.

We're fucked.

[Hladgos]

"I dont hate anyone, I just think some of em are stupid."
-Ian Capper

Apparently I'm a sex mongering (virgin), STD ridden (nope), diseased (all I've got is ADHD), and unacceptable member of society. Thank you for insulting someone you've never known in your life, nor ever truly will. As a bisexual, I find it sortof my job to defend others like myself. I'm very peaceful, as in, I've taken a beating until someone called the police for someone I didn't even know, volunteered much of my time to community service, and helped plenty of people that I know through difficult times in their lives. Overall, I'd be considered an upstanding citizen (even though I'm only seventeen), and I hope you treat everyone, regardless of their decisions or identity, with upmost respect.
-Sincerely, Ian Capper

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

if youryou're talking about women its o.k. but its wrong with guys

Why?

Because obviously the fact that dem lesbians are hawt makes it OK, but because dem gays are not hawt, then it's bad.

I'd love to believe that the reasoning is more complex than that, but I can't.

[Khelshar]

Now don't get me wrong I am actually pretty liberal although I just so happen to disagree with most liberals on the issue of LGBT rights. I don't believe that homosexuality is a good thing. In fact I believe that the evidence that homosexuality and lesbianism are dangerous to society is overwhelming. HIV/AIDS rates and other STD rates are much higher among the LGBT community than the straight community and LGBT people are much more likely to sexual promiscuous and domestic violence is much higher among same-sex couples. I just don't understand why we should consider homosexuality okay and normal. As for it happening among animals well rape, theft, and murder have been observed among animals so should be consider those to be okay too? I think it is time for people to stand up for the truth and fight against homosexuality and find a cure for it to help the people struggling with it. If we keep on thinking it is okay then we are on a slippery slope to where we would soon be thinking that zoophilia, pedophilia, and heck even necrophilia are okay. In the early 90's in San Fransisco there was an LGBT riot outside a church were the LGBT people performed sexual acts outside the church and even reportedly shouted "give us your children" to the church members and they harassed the church members. Here are a few of my sources.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/msm ... lease.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291357

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entre ... d_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8838474

Didn't you say in the first line that you were liberal, yet you are arguing against homosexuality?

[Death Metal]

My source is history itself.

To wit: One can argue that, for better or for worse, Christianity has shaped modern civilization.

The Bible talks A LOT about homosexuality. Christ himself doesn't, mind you, but the Bible does. Without something to demonize, the bible becomes less effective.

Cleopatra is believed to be bisexual or possibly pansexual. Without Cleopatra's sexual nature, the entire course of ancient history would have drastically changed.

Sappho of Lesbos, yes that's a real person, was a lesbian and was a massive contributor to Greek literature.

Homosexuality was practiced often in Rome and Japan, to economic and social success. Thus there societies would suffer without.

Lawrence of Arabia is believed to be homosexual, and that the incompatibility with this was his reason for volunteering for duty in a region where he did not believe he would be persecuted. We may have well lost WWI without Lawrence of Arabia.

With different history comes a different present.

Also: Brunetto Latini, Dante's legal custodian and teacher. Canto XV "clerks and great and famous scholars, defiled in the world by one and the same sin".
Just like Leonardo Da Vinci, and Alan Turing.

Indeed. I was mostly going top-of-my-head mind you.

Oh: Oscar Wilde. Though he's fairly modern, relatively speaking. But we're already using Turing so.

[Ceannairceach]

Oh yes, sir, I'm quite obviously struggling to get past this abhorrent disease. I've tried so hard for so long, but I just can't get the moral lifestyle to fit. Maybe if I applied some lube, maybe a bible study or some shock therapy, I could get past this horrible tension I've been feeling in my loins whenever a young man passes me by. Come help me, please! I beg you!

[Thaipursia]

Why even the debate about something that is inherent in our biology ? You can condemn homosexuality all you want, but the fact is, it will remain with our species, as long as we exist. I am tired of hearing others arguing against my existence, labelling a whole subset of humans as "immoral" or "deviant". To quote Shakespeare, "Have I not eyes to see, or ears to hear ? If you prick me, do I not bleed ?"
Homosexuality is no more a threat to others, than being a redhead, hexdactyl, or left handed. For once let's argue about how Heterosexuals caused so many wars, created the atomic bomb, instigated and pushed genocide, etc. Once you can absolve yourselves of that, then you vcan get all upset about two men/ two women kissing in public.

Three words.

Alexander the Great.

So you're suggesting that because Pella, Macedonia didn't have a good cruising spot, this sent Alexander on a world conquest binge ?

[Menassa]

Now don't get me wrong I am actually pretty liberal although I just so happen to disagree with most liberals on the issue of LGBT rights. I don't believe that homosexuality is a good thing. In fact I believe that the evidence that homosexuality and lesbianism are dangerous to society is overwhelming. HIV/AIDS rates and other STD rates are much higher among the LGBT community than the straight community and LGBT people are much more likely to sexual promiscuous and domestic violence is much higher among same-sex couples. I just don't understand why we should consider homosexuality okay and normal. As for it happening among animals well rape, theft, and murder have been observed among animals so should be consider those to be okay too? I think it is time for people to stand up for the truth and fight against homosexuality and find a cure for it to help the people struggling with it. If we keep on thinking it is okay then we are on a slippery slope to where we would soon be thinking that zoophilia, pedophilia, and heck even necrophilia are okay. In the early 90's in San Fransisco there was an LGBT riot outside a church were the LGBT people performed sexual acts outside the church and even reportedly shouted "give us your children" to the church members and they harassed the church members. Here are a few of my sources.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/msm ... lease.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291357

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entre ... d_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8838474

Didn't you say in the first line that you were liberal, yet you are arguing against homosexuality?

Stop asking logical questions!

[Menassa]

Three words.

Alexander the Great.

So you're suggesting that because Pella, Macedonia didn't have a good cruising spot, this sent Alexander on a world conquest binge ?

No, but are you suggesting that the A-Bomb was invented by some nerds who wanted to impress the ladies?

[Risottia]

Why?

Because obviously the fact that dem lesbians are hawt makes it OK, but because dem gays are not hawt, then it's bad.

I'd love to believe that the reasoning is more complex than that, but I can't.

Maybe it's something on the lines of "some holes are made to put stuff in, and some holes are made to send stuff out"...
...very profound.

[Risottia]

So you're suggesting that because Pella, Macedonia didn't have a good cruising spot, this sent Alexander on a world conquest binge ?

No, but are you suggesting that the A-Bomb was invented by some nerds who wanted to impress the ladies?[/quote]

No, they just wanted to impress OTHER nerds.

[Raeyh]

Didn't you say in the first line that you were liberal, yet you are arguing against homosexuality?

If they are conservatives who support homosexuality, I don't see why there can't be liberals who are against it.

"Liberal: Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values."

So the traditional value would be homosexuality. Homosexuality is ancient and all and maybe he thinks it's time to get rid of it.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Because obviously the fact that dem lesbians are hawt makes it OK, but because dem gays are not hawt, then it's bad.

I'd love to believe that the reasoning is more complex than that, but I can't.

Maybe it's something on the lines of "some holes are made to put stuff in, and some holes are made to send stuff out"...
...very profound.

In which case I'm assuming that OP also objects to anal sex. Because URGH. Equally deep reasoning.

[Meryuma]

OP doesn't know the difference between correlation and causation. Also, no one argues that homosexuality is OK because it's natural, but people do argue that it's wrong because it's unnatural, so people point out it's natural in response.

I hate homosexuality but not the individual homosexual. Just like how I hate rap music but not the individual who loves rap music. I hate Rebecca Blacks music but not Rebecca Black herself.

You're a dadrocker too? Wonderful.

Thanks for being everything wrong with the internet.

Oh, and not only should same-sex couples have marriage rights, polygamy should be legal too.

Yes, I am serious.

I hear you, man.

I would go further, and also suggest that adolescents should be allowed to freely enter consensual relationships with other adolescents or adults, and that there should be no state-granted benefits for marriage.

But I think Woman on Woman is just fine because they atleast can have babies (And its hot)

If your argument comes down to "it's wrong because I don't find it attractive" you don't know how ethics works.

Do you find something inherently good about homos? I'd like to hear what that'd be.

Gayness helps curb overpopulation.

In the early 90's in San Fransisco there was an LGBT riot outside a church were the LGBT people performed sexual acts outside the church and even reportedly shouted "give us your children" to the church members and they harassed the church members.

Do you have a link to this? I'm rather shocked by this if it's true.

It wouldn't surprise me, but it does nothing to help this guy's argument.

Three words.

Alexander the Great.

You're kinda missing the point.

if your talking about women its o.k. but its wrong with guys

So you're either sexist or don't know the difference between ethics and aesthetics or both.

Oh yes, sir, I'm quite obviously struggling to get past this abhorrent disease. I've tried so hard for so long, but I just can't get the moral lifestyle to fit. Maybe if I applied some lube, maybe a bible study or some shock therapy, I could get past this horrible tension I've been feeling in my loins whenever a young man passes me by. Come help me, please! I beg you!

is that "awesome quotes" thread still around?

[Risottia]

Oh: Oscar Wilde. Though he's fairly modern, relatively speaking. But we're already using Turing so.

Who doesn't love Wilde?
Let's get even more modern and go with Freddie Mercury.
Or even contemporary with Giorgio Armani?

[Ceannairceach]

Three words.

Alexander the Great.

So you're suggesting that because Pella, Macedonia didn't have a good cruising spot, this sent Alexander on a world conquest binge ?

*Enters Persian whore*
"Oh, Alexander, you have the finest ass this side of Thrace!"
"What of the other side of Thrace?"
"Er, well..."
"@_@"
*Cue Conquest of Persia(n Ass)*

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Why?

Because obviously the fact that dem lesbians are hawt makes it OK, but because dem gays are not hawt, then it's bad.

I'd love to believe that the reasoning is more complex than that, but I can't.

Judging from their lack of the ability to produce a coherent sentence, I'd be inclined to agree with you.

[Risottia]

is that "awesome quotes" thread still around?

Yes.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=98380&

[Death Metal]

So you're suggesting that because Pella, Macedonia didn't have a good cruising spot, this sent Alexander on a world conquest binge ?

No, but are you suggesting that the A-Bomb was invented by some nerds who wanted to impress the ladies?

Well Einstein did supposedly hook up with Marilyn Monroe in 1947...