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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:21 pm

That's quite enough of the childish bickering. Cut it out and get back on topic.

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Aryavartha
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Postby Aryavartha » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:30 pm

meh..wouldnt bother me much.

one of the perks of being an Indian. I literally have hundreds of tasty veg stuff to choose from.

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Postby Ulvena » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:45 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/0 ... 45767.html

If it's safe, I'd eat it! Stem Cell research for the win! If anyone opposes it for religious reasons, that's the reason why I hate your beliefs. Stops progress. But hey, scientists aren't the ones who make artificial foods dangerous. It's Monsanto and friends that try to cut costs and focus on profits.

But if that doesn't work, give me a rope and a stool. I'm going to hang myself when the time comes. I love my meat.



But seriously, why can't we eat seafood?

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Postby Ragnarum » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:38 am

Ulvena wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/artificial-meat-6-months_n_945767.html

If it's safe, I'd eat it! Stem Cell research for the win! If anyone opposes it for religious reasons, that's the reason why I hate your beliefs. Stops progress. But hey, scientists aren't the ones who make artificial foods dangerous. It's Monsanto and friends that try to cut costs and focus on profits.

But if that doesn't work, give me a rope and a stool. I'm going to hang myself when the time comes. I love my meat.



But seriously, why can't we eat seafood?


Too much gives you the shits.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:01 am

Ragnarum wrote:
Ulvena wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/artificial-meat-6-months_n_945767.html

If it's safe, I'd eat it! Stem Cell research for the win! If anyone opposes it for religious reasons, that's the reason why I hate your beliefs. Stops progress. But hey, scientists aren't the ones who make artificial foods dangerous. It's Monsanto and friends that try to cut costs and focus on profits.

But if that doesn't work, give me a rope and a stool. I'm going to hang myself when the time comes. I love my meat.



But seriously, why can't we eat seafood?


Too much gives you the shits.


Some people are sensitive to iodine.

Does this month have an R in it? We always need to ask that question when we eat fresh seafood.

Frozen shellfish are mush. Yuk.

Much of our local catch is tainted with mercury, they tell us.

"Nearly all fish and shellfish contain some levels of mercury."

http://water.epa.gov/scitech/swguidance ... _index.cfm
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Postby Shadowlandistan » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:05 am

This would be bad, good thing I only eat chicken.
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Postby Norsklow » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:12 am

Ulvena wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/artificial-meat-6-months_n_945767.html

If it's safe, I'd eat it! Stem Cell research for the win! If anyone opposes it for religious reasons, that's the reason why I hate your beliefs. Stops progress. But hey, scientists aren't the ones who make artificial foods dangerous. It's Monsanto and friends that try to cut costs and focus on profits.

But if that doesn't work, give me a rope and a stool. I'm going to hang myself when the time comes. I love my meat.



But seriously, why can't we eat seafood?


Oddly enough,I was a great deal more rabidly opposed to the concept of progress when I was a rabid secularist. As in 'if it is to the left of Maggy, string it from a tree'. These days, I'm very uncomfortable with stringing people up.

w00t for more seafood, though.
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Postby Ragnarum » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:14 am

Pope Joan wrote:
Ragnarum wrote:
Too much gives you the shits.


Some people are sensitive to iodine.

Does this month have an R in it? We always need to ask that question when we eat fresh seafood.

Frozen shellfish are mush. Yuk.

Much of our local catch is tainted with mercury, they tell us.

"Nearly all fish and shellfish contain some levels of mercury."

http://water.epa.gov/scitech/swguidance ... _index.cfm


Wut.
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Postby Fluffy Coyotes » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:31 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Much of our local catch is tainted with mercury, they tell us.

Depends on what you get and where you get it from. Less polluted places will have less mercury. Alaska salmon is known for being reasonably low in pollution as far as fish goes.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:34 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzqiPvGrkTo

I eat turkey, mostly. They're delicious. Also, quite beautiful and good at stimulating conversation.

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Postby The Stormcloak Rebels » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:58 pm

Anyway, since the "back on topic" remark may have been directed at me, and I'd rather stay on the safe side...

I've had tofu before, it's not too bad if you cook it right. I warn you though, mess it up and you're in for a world of blandness.

Also, garlic asparagus. Mmmmmm...

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:06 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Ragnarum wrote:
Too much gives you the shits.


Some people are sensitive to iodine.

Does this month have an R in it? We always need to ask that question when we eat fresh seafood.

Frozen shellfish are mush. Yuk.

Much of our local catch is tainted with mercury, they tell us.

"Nearly all fish and shellfish contain some levels of mercury."

http://water.epa.gov/scitech/swguidance ... _index.cfm

The mercury is within safe limits, it naturally exists in water. And the iodine won't affect you unless you eat a lot. Vegetarianism for the most part may become a reality.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:09 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
so now males hunt meat for the female who need meat, while at the same time not needing meat?

I never claimed chimps are omnivores under stricter definitions but I am refuting your claim that
It's painfully obvious that chimps do not eat meat for nutritional value
.

chimps eat meat because it is a highly nutritious food. heck most animals will eat meat if available.

(Image)

And this is relevant how? I said that we can can live healthy lives without it. We being the developed world.


actually you said

You do know that meat consumption is one of the biggest reasons for starvation in third world countries, right?




Wrong. Omnivores have fairly large and well developed incisors for cutting plant material. They have scissor-like carnassials for shearing meat.

you know people can see when you change your argument right?

Teeth: Incisors- Omnivores: Short and pointed


I notice you did not include the one omnivore point I said you got right, probable because humans share that characteristic.


Concerning the molars, again, I must point to the bear, which you would agree is an omnivore, correct?

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are you saying you are right or you are wrong about the molars?
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By body, you do realize I'm speaking of the trunk, correct?


then you are using it wrong and do not understand biology body length is measured from ass to nose in the quadrupedal position.

The average leg length in men is around 83.3 centimeters, or about 2.7 feet.


which has what to do with trunk length?
the average body length for a human male is 3ft 2in

Guess how long the intestine (large+small) is. (Image)


in humans 25-28 feet
so 8-9 times my bad
still a long way from 10-11 times as you claimed
speaking of which I would also like a source for this proportion in in omnivores.
I did point out that 4-6 times body length is not an omnivore characteristic.

lets do black bears for instance body lenght 120 - 200cm
length of their intestines, recorded average 1200 cm
so that is 6-10 body length, and given the nature of the dissection (smaller individual) probably closer to 10 times.

:palm: I said they are closer to carnivores than herbivores.

and gave no justification for this, merely claimed it without foundation.

I'm comparing omnivores in the context to carnivores and herbivores. I'm aware they can resemble something else different from herbivores if their ancestors weren't herbivores. But the pattern is that they usually resemble carnivores a lot more than herbivores. Please, at least try to understand what I'm reading.


I do, merely restating an argument is not evidence.
you are repeating bullshit from a vegitiarian website without ever checking the facts.
http://www.vegsource.com

Also, I apologize, but for some reason, your quotes in my post disappeared.
then you should cut, copy, and paste.
or better yet preview button, use it.[/spoiler]


Wow, I completely missed this. I concede, you're right. :p
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