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Postby Genivaria » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:50 am

Well no not literally ALL gone, but a new study has shown that in a few decades we'll have to radically alter our diets.

Food shortages could force world into vegetarianism, warn scientists
Water scarcity's effect on food production means radical steps will be needed to feed population expected to reach 9bn by 2050

Leading water scientists have issued one of the sternest warnings yet about global food supplies, saying that the world's population may have to switch almost completely to a vegetarian diet over the next 40 years to avoid catastrophic shortages.

Humans derive about 20% of their protein from animal-based products now, but this may need to drop to just 5% to feed the extra 2 billion people expected to be alive by 2050, according to research by some of the world's leading water scientists.

"There will not be enough water available on current croplands to produce food for the expected 9 billion population in 2050 if we follow current trends and changes towards diets common in western nations," the report by Malik Falkenmark and colleagues at the Stockholm International Water Institute (SIWI) said.

"There will be just enough water if the proportion of animal-based foods is limited to 5% of total calories and considerable regional water deficits can be met by a … reliable system of food trade."

Dire warnings of water scarcity limiting food production come as Oxfam and the UN prepare for a possible second global food crisis in five years. Prices for staples such as corn and wheat have risen nearly 50% on international markets since June, triggered by severe droughts in the US and Russia, and weak monsoon rains in Asia. More than 18 million people are already facing serious food shortages across the Sahel.

Oxfam has forecast that the price spike will have a devastating impact in developing countries that rely heavily on food imports, including parts of Latin America, North Africa and the Middle East. Food shortages in 2008 led to civil unrest in 28 countries.

Adopting a vegetarian diet is one option to increase the amount of water available to grow more food in an increasingly climate-erratic world, the scientists said. Animal protein-rich food consumes five to 10 times more water than a vegetarian diet. One third of the world's arable land is used to grow crops to feed animals. Other options to feed people include eliminating waste and increasing trade between countries in food surplus and those in deficit.

"Nine hundred million people already go hungry and 2 billion people are malnourished in spite of the fact that per capita food production continues to increase," they said. "With 70% of all available water being in agriculture, growing more food to feed an additional 2 billion people by 2050 will place greater pressure on available water and land."

The report is being released at the start of the annual world water conference in Stockholm, Sweden, where 2,500 politicians, UN bodies, non-governmental groups and researchers from 120 countries meet to address global water supply problems.

Competition for water between food production and other uses will intensify pressure on essential resources, the scientists said. "The UN predicts that we must increase food production by 70% by mid-century. This will place additional pressure on our already stressed water resources, at a time when we also need to allocate more water to satisfy global energy demand – which is expected to rise 60% over the coming 30 years – and to generate electricity for the 1.3 billion people currently without it," said the report.

Overeating, undernourishment and waste are all on the rise and increased food production may face future constraints from water scarcity.

"We will need a new recipe to feed the world in the future," said the report's editor, Anders Jägerskog.

A separate report from the International Water Management Institute (IWMI) said the best way for countries to protect millions of farmers from food insecurity in sub-Saharan Africa and south Asia was to help them invest in small pumps and simple technology, rather than to develop expensive, large-scale irrigation projects.

"We've witnessed again and again what happens to the world's poor – the majority of whom depend on agriculture for their livelihoods and already suffer from water scarcity – when they are at the mercy of our fragile global food system," said Dr Colin Chartres, the director general.

"Farmers across the developing world are increasingly relying on and benefiting from small-scale, locally-relevant water solutions. [These] techniques could increase yields up to 300% and add tens of billions of US dollars to household revenues across sub-Saharan Africa and south Asia."

Well.....shit. There goes my Whataburger. I think we need to quadruple the funding into research of Invitro Meat.

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Postby Yewhohohopia » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:51 am

Can't we just have more abortions, also steak?
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Postby Norsklow » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:54 am

And don't forget to give up your icecream FIRST.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:55 am

I was watching a nature documentary about the ecology of Monterey Bay. Apparently it is so productive because sediment from the sea bed is channeled up an underwater valley upswelling in the bay. Now this is probably a completely mad idea that will be swiftly ridiculed, but could we not increase productivity in other areas of the world by creating similar upswellings artificially? A long pipe with a big fan blade at the end would seem fairly low tech.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:57 am

Every vegetarian and vegan in the world is sitting back and laughing cruelly at you right now. Or at least one is. Eh, close enough.
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Postby New Hayesalia » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:59 am

Cannibalism could work with 9 billion people though. Keeps the population in check and well meat-ed!

Obviously a joke guyz.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:59 am

Yewhohohopia wrote:Can't we just have more abortions, also steak?

There's something vaguely disturbing about that sentence.
L Ron Cupboard wrote:I was watching a nature documentary about the ecology of Monterey Bay. Apparently it is so productive because sediment from the sea bed is channeled up an underwater valley upswelling in the bay. Now this is probably a completely mad idea that will be swiftly ridiculed, but could we not increase productivity in other areas of the world by creating similar upswellings artificially?

I'm sure that many alternative farming techniques are going to be tried.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:00 am

Yewhohohopia wrote:Can't we just have more abortions, also steak?

I read this before the article, and I horribly misinterpreted it.
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Postby Norsklow » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:00 am

Because our biggest long-term constraint is the amount of rain-water falling on places where the soil is suitable for agriculture.
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Postby The Kangaroo Republic » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:00 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:Every vegetarian and vegan in the world is sitting back and laughing cruelly at you right now. Or at least one is. Eh, close enough.

I'm not sure either if I am supposed to laugh cruelly or just be sad for everyone else.
I'll just go with sad, because I don't wanna be a dick.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:01 am

New Hayesalia wrote:Cannibalism could work with 9 billion people though. Keeps the population in check and well meat-ed!

Obviously a joke guyz.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:02 am

The Kangaroo Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Every vegetarian and vegan in the world is sitting back and laughing cruelly at you right now. Or at least one is. Eh, close enough.

I'm not sure either if I am supposed to laugh cruelly or just be sad for everyone else.
I'll just go with sad, because I don't wanna be a dick.

Laugh cruelly. It's more fun. :twisted:
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Postby Meowfoundland » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:04 am

Yewhohohopia wrote:Can't we just have more abortions, also steak?

I dearly hope they don't follow on from each other.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:04 am

Norsklow wrote:Because our biggest long-term constraint is the amount of rain-water falling on places where the soil is suitable for agriculture.

I just thought of something...would it be possible to to create water from the air? Isn't that basically how hydrogen powered cars work except in reverse?

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Postby The Kangaroo Republic » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:05 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The Kangaroo Republic wrote:I'm not sure either if I am supposed to laugh cruelly or just be sad for everyone else.
I'll just go with sad, because I don't wanna be a dick.

Laugh cruelly. It's more fun. :twisted:

We'll need to get the poor guys better veggieburgers that feel and taste even more like meat than now. At least it's hard to notice the difference, and they're still pretty tasty.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:05 am

Genivaria wrote:
Norsklow wrote:Because our biggest long-term constraint is the amount of rain-water falling on places where the soil is suitable for agriculture.

I just thought of something...would it be possible to to create water from the air? Isn't that basically how hydrogen powered cars work except in reverse?

I suppose theoretically you could separate the respective elements in the atmosphere, then combine the hydrogen and oxygen, but it would be difficult and extremely expensive.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:06 am

The Kangaroo Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Laugh cruelly. It's more fun. :twisted:

We'll need to get the poor guys better veggieburgers that feel and taste even more like meat than now. At least it's hard to notice the difference, and they're still pretty tasty.

Fine. Create most realistic veggie burger ever now, sit back and laugh cruelly later.
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Postby Phing Phong » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:06 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:Every vegetarian and vegan in the world is sitting back and laughing cruelly at you right now. Or at least one is. Eh, close enough.

*laughs cruelly at them*
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:06 am

Wait a second... This doesn't really have much of an effect on me... All it means is that all of the people in Third-world countries are going to starve to death because of their own population rise!

Hooray for unnecessary cruelty and heartlessness!

Steak sandwich anyone? Come on, it's not like we'll be damning the Third-world to misery and starvation...
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Postby Britannic Realms » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:07 am

I'm not stopping eating meat. Vegetarians, and vegans more, look so pale and ill.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:08 am

Britannic Realms wrote:I'm not stopping eating meat. Vegetarians, and vegans more, look so pale and ill.

I'll have you know I am currently enjoying mildly suffering a wonderful somewhat painful tan sunburn.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:08 am

Yewhohohopia wrote:Can't we just have more abortions, also steak?

The global population exploded by more than two billion in the last 16 years.
I'm not sure abortions are going to cut it.
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Postby Magmia » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:08 am

I guess now would be as good a time as ever to start practicing Ital 8)

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Postby Norsklow » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:08 am

But we could always turn the Vegans and such into steaks. Porckchops. Yes. Long Pork. Matter solved!
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Postby San Monteriano » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:08 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:Every vegetarian and vegan in the world is sitting back and laughing cruelly at you right now. Or at least one is. Eh, close enough.


You're correct sir! :p
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