Should police officers carry guns?

[Kouralia]

Yes, they cordon off the area and get civvies out of there.

Yeah, thats actually good. But, if the robbers were to make their escape before the SAS (or whoever gets called during situations like those) arrive and the robbers open fire at the cops to make their escape, then they would have succeeded in doing that.

The Armed Response Vehicle. It gets there in like 5 minutes maximum.

[Ifreann]

Banning firearms...

This thread is not about banning firearms. Do please try not to derail it.

[Central Slavia]

Should soldiers carry guns? Should bears shit in the woods?

[Chernoslavia]

Banning firearms will not stop criminals from getting it and makes crime worse because since the criminals would be the only one with firearms, they would have the power.

Who said anything about banning firearms? Try posting in that ''Repeal the 2nd amendment'' thread.

[Chernoslavia]

Yeah, thats actually good. But, if the robbers were to make their escape before the SAS (or whoever gets called during situations like those) arrive and the robbers open fire at the cops to make their escape, then they would have succeeded in doing that.

The Armed Response Vehicle. It gets there in like 5 minutes maximum.

Well then I guess they would be screwed.

Here in the US it would take S.W.A.T twice that much.

[Chernoslavia]

Absolutely, The police need to be able to defend themselves during the course of their work.

Which can be done without firearms.

In most countries like in America it wouldnt work.

[Chernoslavia]

Absolutely, The police need to be able to defend themselves during the course of their work.

Which can be done without firearms.

In most countries like in America it wouldnt work.

[The Zeonic States]

Absolutely, The police need to be able to defend themselves during the course of their work.

Which can be done without firearms.

Which is no where near as effecive with Firearms.

[Neo Arcad]

Yeah, thats actually good. But, if the robbers were to make their escape before the SAS (or whoever gets called during situations like those) arrive and the robbers open fire at the cops to make their escape, then they would have succeeded in doing that.

The Armed Response Vehicle. It gets there in like 5 minutes maximum.

I can rob a bank in five minutes. Hypothetically, of course. This post is not to be taken as intent to rob a bank or as evidence of premeditation in any theoretical future legal situation.

...

*ahem*

Anyway, five minutes is far too long. What if it had taken the police five minutes to get there in the Colorado Theatre Shooting?

[Neo Arcad]

The x19mm of 9x19mm refers to the casing's length and not the cartridges.

Damn. I thought it was the round... I bow to your wisdom, Spree, though I am surprised you didn't mention AKs in a post...

...seriously? You're lauding his wisdom for knowing something everyone who knows more than jack shit about guns should be aware of? I mean, Spree is knowledgeable, but I'm pretty sure that damn near everyone knows how bullets are measured.

[The UK in Exile]

That would be so horrendusly funny. I need to find me a posh person- this may be difficult.

I'd love Boris to do an English reading of the Wire...

Is it bad that I have to translate The Wire for my dad?

not really, there were people in the wire translating the wire for other people in it.

[The UK in Exile]

Let's see. If I was held at gun point by a thief, would I want the officer to tase him and arrest him or shoot to kill him so he never robs another person again? I think the answer is obvious.

no lets do something more interesting,you are minding your own business when you are approached by a police officer who orders you to "GET DOWN ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW." you see him holding an object in his hand which you hope is....

A) a baton.
B) a taser.
C) a gun.

[Chernoslavia]

How does one defend themselves against this without a firearm, exactly?

A kevlar vest comes to mind. How does one defend against it with a firearm?

Body armor isnt always protective, if the first shot didnt penetrate your armor then the criminal would simply aim for the head.

[New Sapienta]

Of course.

Why is that even up for debate?

[Spreewerke]

Let's see. If I was held at gun point by a thief, would I want the officer to tase him and arrest him or shoot to kill him so he never robs another person again? I think the answer is obvious.

no lets do something more interesting,you are minding your own business when you are approached by a police officer who orders you to "GET DOWN ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW." you see him holding an object in his hand which you hope is....

A) a baton.
B) a taser.
C) a gun.

I hope it's gold coins and he turns out to be a leprechaun.

[Ifreann]

Which can be done without firearms.

In most countries like in America it wouldnt work.

America is one country. There are around 190. Are you quite sure that not arming most police officers with firearms wouldn't work in most of them?

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Which can be done without firearms.

Which is no where near as effecive with Firearms.

There's more to consider than just effectiveness.

[Delvoir]

The Armed Response Vehicle. It gets there in like 5 minutes maximum.

I can rob a bank in five minutes. Hypothetically, of course. This post is not to be taken as intent to rob a bank or as evidence of premeditation in any theoretical future legal situation.

...

*ahem*

Anyway, five minutes is far too long. What if it had taken the police five minutes to get there in the Colorado Theatre Shooting?

Of course, that point is nullified by the fact that in countries where regular police do not carry around guns, the Colorado Theatre Shooting would never have happened due to tighter gun control. I'll never understand the American obsession with guns. It seems more like paranoia to me than anything else.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Should soldiers carry guns? Should bears shit in the woods?

No and preferably

[Chernoslavia]

I can rob a bank in five minutes. Hypothetically, of course. This post is not to be taken as intent to rob a bank or as evidence of premeditation in any theoretical future legal situation.

...

*ahem*

Anyway, five minutes is far too long. What if it had taken the police five minutes to get there in the Colorado Theatre Shooting?

Of course, that point is nullified by the fact that in countries where regular police do not carry around guns, the Colorado Theatre Shooting would never have happened due to tighter gun control. I'll never understand the American obsession with guns. It seems more like paranoia to me than anything else.

Look, you wanna debate about that then go to the ''repeal 2nd amendment'' thread, but please stop derailing this topic.

[New Sapienta]

Should soldiers carry guns? Should bears shit in the woods?

No and preferably

Soldiers shouldn't carry guns?

Are you fucking kiddin me?

[The Zeonic States]

Should soldiers carry guns? Should bears shit in the woods?

No and preferably

I never want to see a world were soldiers meet on the field of battle and settle out wars with Greek style wrestling matches

._. I think blowing each other apart and shooting each other is easier on my sanity and more humane to the children.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Yes. All police officers should carry really big guns to shoot criminals dead.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

No and preferably

Soldiers shouldn't carry guns?

Are you fucking kiddin me?

Not at all

[New Sapienta]

Soldiers shouldn't carry guns?

Are you fucking kiddin me?

Not at all

How in Odin's holy name name did you come to this conculsion?

[Delvoir]

Of course, that point is nullified by the fact that in countries where regular police do not carry around guns, the Colorado Theatre Shooting would never have happened due to tighter gun control. I'll never understand the American obsession with guns. It seems more like paranoia to me than anything else.

Look, you wanna debate about that then go to the ''repeal 2nd amendment'' thread, but please stop derailing this topic.

There's obviously a correlation. If the US had stricter gun control, then society as a whole would need to lose the guns. As it stands, if the populace are armed and can be armed very easily, then it only makes sense that the law enforcement are equally if not better armed than them.