Capitalism VS Communism

[Vestr-Norig]

Not theocratic. The people would still be in power, electing ruler party(ies), etcetera, and there still would be freedom of religion. The government would however emphazise Christianity (if it is a Christian nation) in society; school, have a state-church, etc.

Light theocracy but but theocracy nonetheless. Christian nation

Is Iceland a theocracy? Is Denmark a theocracy? Both is Christian nations, both have state-churches. So no, I don't think you get it...

[The USOT]

I still cannot comprehend how threads like this occur.
By that I do not mean a rational debate between capitalism and communism, but the ridiculous themes surrounding this thread.

First of all, the question itself.
Capitalism vs communism is a tad strange a question. The thread would make FAR more sense as "capitalism vs socialism". People would be confused if I said "Cartelism vs socialism" because your comparing a single variant of an economic theorem to an entire economic theorem.

Second, and most important of all is the OP and literally the 1st post afterwards.
Thor almighty has the claim of the USSR and other Leninist nations being socialist been debunked.
Every.
Single.
Day.
It's not just the odd occurrence, but in all the time I have been here I cannot recall a day when socialism being explained did not occur.
Hell its not even just a "your biased so you're going to see socialism a certain way". Even the Anarcho capitalists and much of the self proclaimed Fascists/Nazis on this forum recognise that Leninism is entirely opposed to any sort of worker ownership and control of the means of production.
Jewcrew was even in a thread a day or two ago where it was once again debunked and explained, and yet he immediately begins by talking about the effect of socialist regimes on the world.

By now its seriously just an annoying joke. I would be very tempted to create a giant thread which I could consistently site to show people that they are being stupid in this, but I know that they would say the other stupid fallacy of "well that's what those governments called themselves" (and yet these people are happy to recognise that North Korea is not a democratic republic etc).


/rant

[Kronemberg]

A Scout Nation. Think about: Scouting always proclaims the sentiments of friendship, brotherhood and international cooperation. Just look at their runioni organizations, such as the Jamboree, where children from all over the world gather in one place: Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists, capitalists, socialists. All in peace. A world guided by the principles of loyalty, good cooperation for the greater good. What do you think?

[Death Metal]

Third Way: Because the extremes both suck equally.

[Williamson]

I still cannot comprehend how threads like this occur.
By that I do not mean a rational debate between capitalism and communism, but the ridiculous themes surrounding this thread.

First of all, the question itself.
Capitalism vs communism is a tad strange a question. The thread would make FAR more sense as "capitalism vs socialism". People would be confused if I said "Cartelism vs socialism" because your comparing a single variant of an economic theorem to an entire economic theorem.

Second, and most important of all is the OP and literally the 1st post afterwards.
Thor almighty has the claim of the USSR and other Leninist nations being socialist been debunked.
Every.
Single.
Day.
It's not just the odd occurrence, but in all the time I have been here I cannot recall a day when socialism being explained did not occur.
Hell its not even just a "your biased so you're going to see socialism a certain way". Even the Anarcho capitalists and much of the self proclaimed Fascists/Nazis on this forum recognise that Leninism is entirely opposed to any sort of worker ownership and control of the means of production.
Jewcrew was even in a thread a day or two ago where it was once again debunked and explained, and yet he immediately begins by talking about the effect of socialist regimes on the world.

By now its seriously just an annoying joke. I would be very tempted to create a giant thread which I could consistently site to show people that they are being stupid in this, but I know that they would say the other stupid fallacy of "well that's what those governments called themselves" (and yet these people are happy to recognise that North Korea is not a democratic republic etc).


/rant

that was rude

[Threlizdun]

Well thanks for the people that showed us the true way of communism. know i now it is even worse than i though it was

A society founded upon the values of ultimate freedom is worse than the state capitalist dictatorship you believed it was?

[Saint Francis]

Hey, I was only a thread to find out the opinions of others. Moreover, it is the first that i post here. Excuse me if I want to know the opinions of others

[Saint Francis]

A Scout Nation. Think about: Scouting always proclaims the sentiments of friendship, brotherhood and international cooperation. Just look at their runioni organizations, such as the Jamboree, where children from all over the world gather in one place: Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists, capitalists, socialists. All in peace. A world guided by the principles of loyalty, good cooperation for the greater good. What do you think?

Maybe this is similar to comunism?

[Vareiln]

Well, considering communism is anarchy, and capitalism is, well, capitalism, I'd have to say that they both have their good and bad.

[Death Metal]

Well, considering communism is anarchy, and capitalism is, well, anarchy.

Fixed.

[Williamson]

Well thanks for the people that showed us the true way of communism. know i now it is even worse than i though it was

A society founded upon the values of ultimate freedom is worse than the state capitalist dictatorship you believed it was?

there is a things as to much freedom.Also i stil can't think of a way that would work out long term.

[Divair]

A society founded upon the values of ultimate freedom is worse than the state capitalist dictatorship you believed it was?

there is a things as to much freedom.

Prove it.

[Vareiln]

Well, considering communism is anarchy, and capitalism is, well, anarchy.

Fixed.

I wasn't speaking strictly about pure anarcho-capitalism. I was speaking about all forms of capitalism.

[Vareiln]

A society founded upon the values of ultimate freedom is worse than the state capitalist dictatorship you believed it was?

there is a things as to much freedom.Also i stil can't think of a way that would work out long term.

Please, do tell me more about how freedom is a bad thing.

[Williamson]

there is a things as to much freedom.Also i stil can't think of a way that would work out long term.

Please, do tell me more about how freedom is a bad thing.

i never said freedom was a bad thing.

[Vareiln]

Please, do tell me more about how freedom is a bad thing.

i never said freedom was a bad thing.

You may as very well have said so.
The thing about anarcho-communism is that it is, indeed, a free society. A very free society. Yes, it would be small, and it would likely be small villages, but I see how it can work.

[Death Metal]

there is a things as to much freedom.Also i stil can't think of a way that would work out long term.

Please, do tell me more about how freedom is a bad thing.

He never said that. He said EXCESSIVE freedom is dangerous.

A view shared by several classical liberals, including James Madison.

[Pesda]

A Scout Nation. Think about: Scouting always proclaims the sentiments of friendship, brotherhood and international cooperation. Just look at their runioni organizations, such as the Jamboree, where children from all over the world gather in one place: Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists, capitalists, socialists. All in peace. A world guided by the principles of loyalty, good cooperation for the greater good. What do you think?

Scouting is not an economic system or an ideology.

[Williamson]

Please, do tell me more about how freedom is a bad thing.

He never said that. He said EXCESSIVE freedom is dangerous.

A view shared by several classical liberals, including James Madison.

thank you for understanding what i was saying

[4years]

I still cannot comprehend how threads like this occur.
By that I do not mean a rational debate between capitalism and communism, but the ridiculous themes surrounding this thread.

First of all, the question itself.
Capitalism vs communism is a tad strange a question. The thread would make FAR more sense as "capitalism vs socialism". People would be confused if I said "Cartelism vs socialism" because your comparing a single variant of an economic theorem to an entire economic theorem.

Second, and most important of all is the OP and literally the 1st post afterwards.
Thor almighty has the claim of the USSR and other Leninist nations being socialist been debunked.
Every.
Single.
Day.
It's not just the odd occurrence, but in all the time I have been here I cannot recall a day when socialism being explained did not occur.
Hell its not even just a "your biased so you're going to see socialism a certain way". Even the Anarcho capitalists and much of the self proclaimed Fascists/Nazis on this forum recognise that Leninism is entirely opposed to any sort of worker ownership and control of the means of production.
Jewcrew was even in a thread a day or two ago where it was once again debunked and explained, and yet he immediately begins by talking about the effect of socialist regimes on the world.

By now its seriously just an annoying joke. I would be very tempted to create a giant thread which I could consistently site to show people that they are being stupid in this, but I know that they would say the other stupid fallacy of "well that's what those governments called themselves" (and yet these people are happy to recognise that North Korea is not a democratic republic etc).


/rant

that was rude
honest

Fixed. I am also sick of explaining that the USSR was not socialist. I would personally replace the word Leninist with Stalinist simpely because I note several changes between Lenin's rule and stalin's, but the point is that the USSR was not socialist period full stop.

[The USOT]

I still cannot comprehend how threads like this occur.
By that I do not mean a rational debate between capitalism and communism, but the ridiculous themes surrounding this thread.

First of all, the question itself.
Capitalism vs communism is a tad strange a question. The thread would make FAR more sense as "capitalism vs socialism". People would be confused if I said "Cartelism vs socialism" because your comparing a single variant of an economic theorem to an entire economic theorem.

Second, and most important of all is the OP and literally the 1st post afterwards.
Thor almighty has the claim of the USSR and other Leninist nations being socialist been debunked.
Every.
Single.
Day.
It's not just the odd occurrence, but in all the time I have been here I cannot recall a day when socialism being explained did not occur.
Hell its not even just a "your biased so you're going to see socialism a certain way". Even the Anarcho capitalists and much of the self proclaimed Fascists/Nazis on this forum recognise that Leninism is entirely opposed to any sort of worker ownership and control of the means of production.
Jewcrew was even in a thread a day or two ago where it was once again debunked and explained, and yet he immediately begins by talking about the effect of socialist regimes on the world.

By now its seriously just an annoying joke. I would be very tempted to create a giant thread which I could consistently site to show people that they are being stupid in this, but I know that they would say the other stupid fallacy of "well that's what those governments called themselves" (and yet these people are happy to recognise that North Korea is not a democratic republic etc).


/rant

that was rude

Perhaps it was, and if so I apologise.
To perhaps frame it better, I quite like this forum. I have a genuine interest in politics and peoples different viewpoints, and love to see people debate and occasionaly join in. In short, ideology could be said to be a passion of mine.
In many ways as well this forum is my only outlet for politics. Nobody at all in my own life has an interest in politics, the only exception perhaps being my girlfreind who (credit to her does try to get involved) is not nearly as interested in it as myself.

So this forum is my sole way that I can actually have rational conversation regarding anything in politics, and indeed I am very grateful to the many members of this forum for giving me an outlet and indeed for many for pointing me in the direction of interesting books to read or viewpoints to consider which have changed my own stance on things (recently for instance Trotskylvania reccomended some books demonstrating the successes of the communes and worker owned enterprises destroyed by the Bolsheviks).
But this constant requirement every day to explain socialism so we can actually get down to debate it is simply exhausting. When I want to debate or express my views on economics and society, I find almost every time I have to go through this tiring debate lasting 3 pages, usually repeating the same thing of "the ussr is communist" - "no, here is evidence why they are not" - "well they called themselves communist" - "well you wouldnt call north korea democratic" etc. Im getting to the point where it actually doesnt feel worth posting on here, when it really doesnt need to be that way.

If someone is a new poster it is perhaps forgivable, but when its persistent and you even see other threads that you havent posted in being interrupted by the same person arguing that the USSR was socialist to the point that any credible debate is out the window and ignored... well lets just say its irritating.

[Williamson]

that was rude

Perhaps it was, and if so I apologise.
To perhaps frame it better, I quite like this forum. I have a genuine interest in politics and peoples different viewpoints, and love to see people debate and occasionaly join in. In short, ideology could be said to be a passion of mine.
In many ways as well this forum is my only outlet for politics. Nobody at all in my own life has an interest in politics, the only exception perhaps being my girlfreind who (credit to her does try to get involved) is not nearly as interested in it as myself.

So this forum is my sole way that I can actually have rational conversation regarding anything in politics, and indeed I am very grateful to the many members of this forum for giving me an outlet and indeed for many for pointing me in the direction of interesting books to read or viewpoints to consider which have changed my own stance on things (recently for instance Trotskylvania reccomended some books demonstrating the successes of the communes and worker owned enterprises destroyed by the Bolsheviks).
But this constant requirement every day to explain socialism so we can actually get down to debate it is simply exhausting. When I want to debate or express my views on economics and society, I find almost every time I have to go through this tiring debate lasting 3 pages, usually repeating the same thing of "the ussr is communist" - "no, here is evidence why they are not" - "well they called themselves communist" - "well you wouldnt call north korea democratic" etc. Im getting to the point where it actually doesnt feel worth posting on here, when it really doesnt need to be that way.

If someone is a new poster it is perhaps forgivable, but when its persistent and you even see other threads that you havent posted in being interrupted by the same person arguing that the USSR was socialist to the point that any credible debate is out the window and ignored... well lets just say its irritating.

i guess that's fair enough

[Fields]

that was rude

Perhaps it was, and if so I apologise.
To perhaps frame it better, I quite like this forum. I have a genuine interest in politics and peoples different viewpoints, and love to see people debate and occasionaly join in. In short, ideology could be said to be a passion of mine.
In many ways as well this forum is my only outlet for politics. Nobody at all in my own life has an interest in politics, the only exception perhaps being my girlfreind who (credit to her does try to get involved) is not nearly as interested in it as myself.

So this forum is my sole way that I can actually have rational conversation regarding anything in politics, and indeed I am very grateful to the many members of this forum for giving me an outlet and indeed for many for pointing me in the direction of interesting books to read or viewpoints to consider which have changed my own stance on things (recently for instance Trotskylvania reccomended some books demonstrating the successes of the communes and worker owned enterprises destroyed by the Bolsheviks).
But this constant requirement every day to explain socialism so we can actually get down to debate it is simply exhausting. When I want to debate or express my views on economics and society, I find almost every time I have to go through this tiring debate lasting 3 pages, usually repeating the same thing of "the ussr is communist" - "no, here is evidence why they are not" - "well they called themselves communist" - "well you wouldnt call north korea democratic" etc. Im getting to the point where it actually doesnt feel worth posting on here, when it really doesnt need to be that way.

If someone is a new poster it is perhaps forgivable, but when its persistent and you even see other threads that you havent posted in being interrupted by the same person arguing that the USSR was socialist to the point that any credible debate is out the window and ignored... well lets just say its irritating.

[The USOT]

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Not sure if thats a compliment or not

[Deathico]

Perhaps it was, and if so I apologise.
To perhaps frame it better, I quite like this forum. I have a genuine interest in politics and peoples different viewpoints, and love to see people debate and occasionaly join in. In short, ideology could be said to be a passion of mine.
In many ways as well this forum is my only outlet for politics. Nobody at all in my own life has an interest in politics, the only exception perhaps being my girlfreind who (credit to her does try to get involved) is not nearly as interested in it as myself.

So this forum is my sole way that I can actually have rational conversation regarding anything in politics, and indeed I am very grateful to the many members of this forum for giving me an outlet and indeed for many for pointing me in the direction of interesting books to read or viewpoints to consider which have changed my own stance on things (recently for instance Trotskylvania reccomended some books demonstrating the successes of the communes and worker owned enterprises destroyed by the Bolsheviks).
But this constant requirement every day to explain socialism so we can actually get down to debate it is simply exhausting. When I want to debate or express my views on economics and society, I find almost every time I have to go through this tiring debate lasting 3 pages, usually repeating the same thing of "the ussr is communist" - "no, here is evidence why they are not" - "well they called themselves communist" - "well you wouldnt call north korea democratic" etc. Im getting to the point where it actually doesnt feel worth posting on here, when it really doesnt need to be that way.

If someone is a new poster it is perhaps forgivable, but when its persistent and you even see other threads that you havent posted in being interrupted by the same person arguing that the USSR was socialist to the point that any credible debate is out the window and ignored... well lets just say its irritating.

i don't get it