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Postby Clagen » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:39 pm

AFP - A massive bomb blast on Wednesday rocked the heart of Damascus near the hotel used by the UN observer mission in Syria, in an attack claimed by the rebel Free Syrian Army.

The blast, which tore a huge hole out of a petrol tanker near the Dama Rose hotel, wounded at least five people, a military source at the scene said, while Syria's deputy foreign minister said UN staff were unscathed.

The FSA operation targeted a military command office with explosives designed to go off at a meeting of army officers and members of the shabiha (pro-government militia) which decides on daily operations in Damascus," Maher Nuwaimi, head of the FSA coordination command in Syria, told AFP.

Damascus has been hit by several bomb blasts, including an attack last month at the national security headquarters that killed three of President Bashar al-Assad's top security chiefs and was claimed by the FSA.

State television showed images of charred vehicles and the fuel truck, its rear end blown off and still smouldering from the blast as firefighters doused the area and security forces set up a cordon.

"Our primary goal is to secure the observer mission team and thank God no one from this mission has been hurt since it arrived in Syria," Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad told reporters.

"We will confirm to the United Nations that we will make every possible effort to secure their protection so they may exercise their role properly," he said, adding that he had visited the observers and that they were all okay.

The UN Supervision Mission in Syria, which uses the Dama Rose as its headquarters, was not immediately available for comment. UNSMIS chief General Babacar Gaye had staged a press conference at the hotel on Monday.

The UN Security Council is due to meet on Thursday to discuss the future of the observer mission, whose mandate expires on August 19.

The tanker was in car park near the Dama Rose and a row of UN vehicles were seen parked nearby, untouched by the blast.

Elsewhere in the capital, security forces stormed at least two districts in the hunt for rebels, in one area using tanks and army vehicles, according to activists.

It is the third straight day security forces have swept central areas of the capital, according to the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
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So the Syrian "rebels" (I use that term lightly since its well documented that they are a mix of foreign jihadis, army defectors, mercenaries and terrorists) 2. pulled off a huge coup'. Not only did they try to blow up the UN observer mission they also (uncharacteristically) claimed responsibility for it instead of trying to pin it on Assad :clap: . Well done! Lucky for you this story will be buried on page eight of the NYT (if its reported at all) so you don't have to worry about loosing all that cushy support in the US. Not that it matters when your being bankrolled to the tunes of millions by democracy friendly Saudi princes... 3

Isn't it so good that the US is back together with the mujaheddin? :hug: I knew that breakup after 9/11 wouldn't last forever. After all, the black Al Quaeda is flying over Syria now. 4


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1. http://www.france24.com/en/20120815-bom ... ia-wounded and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we7U5eoYtws
2 http://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782 and http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/06 ... re-syrian/ and
3 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... o-darkness and http://www.rt.com/news/arab-payroll-syrian-rebels-559/
4 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH14Ak01.html

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Postby Miss Defied » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:41 pm

Well I guess garnering international sympathy for their cause is not one of their priorities.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:44 pm

Clearly this means we need to support the Assad regime and crush the rebellion entirely.
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Postby Pendragonia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:45 pm

Miss Defied wrote:Well I guess garnering international sympathy for their cause is not one of their priorities.


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Postby Clagen » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:49 pm

Gauthier wrote:Clearly this means we need to support the Assad regime and crush the rebellion entirely.


Not my point at all. Clearly it means we should mind our business instead of creating chaos under the guise of humanitarian support or some other Orwellian term to further geopolitical goals half a world away that won't mean a thing to the average American.

Like most Americans you automatically assume the US has to take a side. The real world is many shades of grey. Sometimes there isn't a "good guy" and a "bad guy". Don't tell the US media though. They are masters at working wonders with the Pentagon scripts they get stuck with.
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Postby Saruhan » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:50 pm

Before you let fly with the accusations OP, perhaps you should use logic and reason to think What possible gains would they get from harming the UN delegations?, also, if they were aiming at the UN, how did they fuck up so bad and detonate a bomb a couple of blocks away from a fairly obvious hotel?
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Postby Clagen » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:54 pm

Saruhan wrote:Before you let fly with the accusations OP, perhaps you should use logic and reason to think What possible gains would they get from harming the UN delegations?, also, if they were aiming at the UN, how did they fuck up so bad and detonate a bomb a couple of blocks away from a fairly obvious hotel?


Excuse me sir, can you read?

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The Free Syrian Army has claimed responsibility for a bomb planted on a fuel truck outside the Damascus hotel used by the UN observer mission.


Motive:
"The FSA operation targeted a military command office with explosives designed to go off at a meeting of army officers and members of the shabiha (pro-government militia) which decides on daily operations in Damascus,"
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Postby Novraslavia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:56 pm

Clagen wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Clearly this means we need to support the Assad regime and crush the rebellion entirely.


Not my point at all. Clearly it means we should mind our business instead of creating chaos under the guise of humanitarian support or some other Orwellian term to further geopolitical goals half a world away that won't mean a thing to the average American.

Since when did the US represent all 192 member states that make up the United Nations?

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Postby Cromarty » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:57 pm

Clagen wrote:Isn't it so good that the US is back together with the mujaheddin? :hug: I knew that breakup after 9/11 wouldn't last forever.

Al Qaeda is not the Mujahideen, not in any measurable way are the two organisations the same.
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Postby Quebec and Atlantic Canada » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:57 pm

Gauthier wrote:Clearly this means we need to support the Assad regime and crush the rebellion entirely.

Assad is merely a great leader of anti-imperialism and revolution against the United $nakes of AmeriKKKa and the Zionist bourgeoisie behind it which controls the world. His support lies not with racist Amerikkkans who see all Muslims as terrorists, but instead with the Syrian people who cherish their independence, and do not seek to become another puppet state of capitalism and imperialism, tyrannically oppressed, with NATO death squads marching street by street and summarily executing socialist revolutionaries (see Operation Gladio, the NATO imperialist plan to suppress socialism in Italy and other puppet states in Western Europe).

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Postby Avenio » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:57 pm

Clagen wrote:
Saruhan wrote:Before you let fly with the accusations OP, perhaps you should use logic and reason to think What possible gains would they get from harming the UN delegations?, also, if they were aiming at the UN, how did they fuck up so bad and detonate a bomb a couple of blocks away from a fairly obvious hotel?


Excuse me sir, can you read?

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The Free Syrian Army has claimed responsibility for a bomb planted on a fuel truck outside the Damascus hotel used by the UN observer mission.


Motive:
"The FSA operation targeted a military command office with explosives designed to go off at a meeting of army officers and members of the shabiha (pro-government militia) which decides on daily operations in Damascus,"


Err, yeah. To me that reads as though the bombing was targeting the government office nearby the hotel, not the UN observers or the hotel itself.

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Postby Novairia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:59 pm

Like I have said in other "Syria Rebellion" threads..

Just leave them be, they will eventually kill each other off until one side emerges victorious.
Not to menton that I still think Assad and his secular gov/military can run Syria better than the fanatics trying to take it. 8)
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Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Clearly this means we need to support the Assad regime and crush the rebellion entirely.

Assad is merely a great leader of anti-imperialism and revolution against the United $nakes of AmeriKKKa and the Zionist bourgeoisie behind it which controls the world. His support lies not with racist Amerikkkans who see all Muslims as terrorists, but instead with the Syrian people who cherish their independence, and do not seek to become another puppet state of capitalism and imperialism, tyrannically oppressed, with NATO death squads marching street by street and summarily executing socialist revolutionaries (see Operation Gladio, the NATO imperialist plan to suppress socialism in Italy and other puppet states in Western Europe).

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:eyebrow: I really hope you are not a fellow Canadian.. unless you're one of them "honour killings are good" people.. Then get the F out of my country.
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Novairia wrote:
Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:Assad is merely a great leader of anti-imperialism and revolution against the United $nakes of AmeriKKKa and the Zionist bourgeoisie behind it which controls the world. His support lies not with racist Amerikkkans who see all Muslims as terrorists, but instead with the Syrian people who cherish their independence, and do not seek to become another puppet state of capitalism and imperialism, tyrannically oppressed, with NATO death squads marching street by street and summarily executing socialist revolutionaries (see Operation Gladio, the NATO imperialist plan to suppress socialism in Italy and other puppet states in Western Europe).

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:eyebrow: I really hope you are not a fellow Canadian.. unless you're one of them "honour killings are good" people.. Then get the F out of my country.

Sir, your sarcasm detector seems to be off, plus, we're a free country. We can say and think anything we want to, you have to debate them on it though
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Postby Quebec and Atlantic Canada » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:02 am

Novairia wrote:
Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:Assad is merely a great leader of anti-imperialism and revolution against the United $nakes of AmeriKKKa and the Zionist bourgeoisie behind it which controls the world. His support lies not with racist Amerikkkans who see all Muslims as terrorists, but instead with the Syrian people who cherish their independence, and do not seek to become another puppet state of capitalism and imperialism, tyrannically oppressed, with NATO death squads marching street by street and summarily executing socialist revolutionaries (see Operation Gladio, the NATO imperialist plan to suppress socialism in Italy and other puppet states in Western Europe).

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:eyebrow: I really hope you are not a fellow Canadian.. unless you're one of them "honour killings are good" people.. Then get the F out of my country.

Honour killings are derived from religion, which is the opiate of the masses. No true anti-imperialist could ever see them as anything good.

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Cromarty wrote:
Clagen wrote:Isn't it so good that the US is back together with the mujaheddin? :hug: I knew that breakup after 9/11 wouldn't last forever.

Al Qaeda is not the Mujahideen, not in any measurable way are the two organisations the same.


Your right. The US is doing more to back Al Quaeda in Syria now than they ever did in Afghanistan.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH14Ak01.html

One has to wonder about US policy. Bomb Al Quaeda in Yemen and Pakistan, help arm them in Syria.

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Postby Shofercia » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:04 am

Title's a bit misleading, they were targeting the government offices, not the UN Observer Mission located nearby. However, this simply shows that rebels, or at least the group that claimed responsibility, don't really give a shit about collateral damage. So basically it's a brutal civil war, not a struggle of the "innocent rebels" against an "uban-ebul" regime. Why the fuck does the Western Media always need a good guy and a bad guy? Why can't we just call a brutal civil war for what it is - a brutal civil war, where both sides are willing to do whatever it takes to get victory, human rights of civvies, or in this case, UN Observer civvies, be damned! Geez, I wonder why the civvies are fleeing Syria, instead of supporting the Revolution, hmmm...
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Postby Novraslavia » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:06 am

Clagen wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Al Qaeda is not the Mujahideen, not in any measurable way are the two organisations the same.


Your right. The US is doing more to back Al Quaeda in Syria now than they ever did in Afghanistan.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH14Ak01.html

One has to wonder about US policy. Bomb Al Quaeda in Yemen and Pakistan, help arm them in Syria.

Well considering that the UN isn't helping the rebels, I don't blame them for turning towards an organization that is willing to.

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Shofercia wrote:Title's a bit misleading, they were targeting the government offices, not the UN Observer Mission located nearby. However, this simply shows that rebels, or at least the group that claimed responsibility, don't really give a shit about collateral damage. So basically it's a brutal civil war, not a struggle of the "innocent rebels" against an "uban-ebul" regime. Why the fuck does the Western Media always need a good guy and a bad guy? Why can't we just call a brutal civil war for what it is - a brutal civil war, where both sides are willing to do whatever it takes to get victory, human rights of civvies, or in this case, UN Observer civvies, be damned! Geez, I wonder why the civvies are fleeing Syria, instead of supporting the Revolution, hmmm...

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Postby Cromarty » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:07 am

Clagen wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Al Qaeda is not the Mujahideen, not in any measurable way are the two organisations the same.


Your right. The US is doing more to back Al Quaeda in Syria now than they ever did in Afghanistan.

Hardly. The US has done shit all to back the rebels, who quite clearly are a wide ranging group of people similar to that we saw in Libya and Egypt, whereas they armed and supplied the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.
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Postby Clagen » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:07 am

Novraslavia wrote:Since when did the US represent all 192 member states that make up the United Nations?


How many of those countries can the US arm twist for votes on the UN? Quite a few. Since when is the UN a democratic organization? It isn't. Since when did the UN general assembly pass a resolution calling for the Syrian rebels to be armed and paid by the gulf regimes and trained in Turkey? They didn't.

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Clagen wrote:
Novraslavia wrote:Since when did the US represent all 192 member states that make up the United Nations?


How many of those countries can the US arm twist for votes on the UN? Quite a few. Since when is the UN a democratic organization? It isn't. Since when did the UN general assembly pass a resolution calling for the Syrian rebels to be armed and paid by the gulf regimes and trained in Turkey? They didn't.

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Postby Novraslavia » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:14 am

Clagen wrote:
Novraslavia wrote:Since when did the US represent all 192 member states that make up the United Nations?


How many of those countries can the US arm twist for votes on the UN? Quite a few. Since when is the UN a democratic organization? It isn't. Since when did the UN general assembly pass a resolution calling for the Syrian rebels to be armed and paid by the gulf regimes and trained in Turkey? They didn't.

All this proves is that the US is a manipulative douche that only cares about international matters when it directly affects its own interests.

Less than 4.5% of the world's population is American. They do not, nor do they deserve, to represent the world's interests as a whole. Not even the UN's.

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Postby Forster Keys » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:15 am

Shofercia wrote:Title's a bit misleading, they were targeting the government offices, not the UN Observer Mission located nearby. However, this simply shows that rebels, or at least the group that claimed responsibility, don't really give a shit about collateral damage. So basically it's a brutal civil war, not a struggle of the "innocent rebels" against an "uban-ebul" regime. Why the fuck does the Western Media always need a good guy and a bad guy? Why can't we just call a brutal civil war for what it is - a brutal civil war, where both sides are willing to do whatever it takes to get victory, human rights of civvies, or in this case, UN Observer civvies, be damned! Geez, I wonder why the civvies are fleeing Syria, instead of supporting the Revolution, hmmm...


Well generally people flee war because it tends to kill them. This pattern has been noted before. ;)
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:15 am

Saruhan wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Title's a bit misleading, they were targeting the government offices, not the UN Observer Mission located nearby. However, this simply shows that rebels, or at least the group that claimed responsibility, don't really give a shit about collateral damage. So basically it's a brutal civil war, not a struggle of the "innocent rebels" against an "uban-ebul" regime. Why the fuck does the Western Media always need a good guy and a bad guy? Why can't we just call a brutal civil war for what it is - a brutal civil war, where both sides are willing to do whatever it takes to get victory, human rights of civvies, or in this case, UN Observer civvies, be damned! Geez, I wonder why the civvies are fleeing Syria, instead of supporting the Revolution, hmmm...

It's like every revolution, and every one has had a designated good and bad side because we need someone to tell us why we should care for one side or another


The very fact that people need to tell us this, is rather disturbing. Why can't we do our own research, and find who the bad and the good guys are? I mean there's Google, there are libraries, there are - I don't know, it just seems extremely dumb to go "hey, root for this side", "oh yeah, okie doki, goooo side A! Woohoo!" I guess it's why I started getting my news locally, from the Internet, and of course the Daily Show and the Colbert Report :D
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