Scotland to bring in gay marriage

[Milks Empire]

I assume by "heritage" you mean "positive racist stereotypes that make them feel cool"

Positive racist stereotypes.....racial stereotypes aren't positive full stop.

There are ethnic stereotypes that weren't concocted to be deliberately derogatory. That's what I think was meant.

[Sedikal]

This is a great step forward in equal rights.

[SD_Film Artists]

Except that most of them aren't really Scots, they're Americans who try desperately to cling onto their "heritage". Same with all those Irish in America...

Said Americans make my ears bleed.....

Unless you are the first generation after an actual Irish citizen it doesn't really count....at all.

If they have some real proof of it and it makes up at least 1/4th their heritage then I don't mind so much, but alot of the "Irish Americans" (or even better, the Scots-Irish Americans) heritage almost verges on 'past life experiances' in terms of evidence and relivance. "Well I like Guinness and I think my great-granduncle spent a year or two in Ireland and Scotclans.com said that my name is part of a Clan, so FREEEEEDOM for Green Green Ireland! Braveheart is a documentary!!1"

[Chulainan]

Said Americans make my ears bleed.....

Unless you are the first generation after an actual Irish citizen it doesn't really count....at all.

If they have some real proof of it and it makes up at least 1/4th their heritage then I don't mind so much, but alot of the "Irish Americans" (or even better, the Scots-Irish Americans) heritage almost verges on 'past life experiances' in terms of evidence and relivance. "Well I like Guinness and I think my great-granduncle spent a year or two in Ireland and Scottish Clans.com said that my name is part of a Clan, so FREEEEEDOM for Green Green Ireland!"

I know the type, luckily my area gets no tourism, north Dublin. If people come over for the 'real' Ireland they avoid Dublin and if they go to the city, they won't stop in north county in the first place.

It's like a haven up here.

Still back on topic, this is a great step for Scotland, we in Ireland only moved onto civil unions a while ago. hopefully the sheer amount of left-wing parties will bring those reforms....

[Hionntach]

Good job Scotland. Go finish what NI started.

[Aeronos]

Good job Scotland. Go finish what NI started.

.... gay marriage? o.O

Unless by NI you mean National Insurance. In which case I guess you're right. NI treats everyone roughly equally on an individual need basis, so.

[Sevco 5508]

I resent the notion that the SNP is not neo-liberal, Salmond used to be socialist as did the Scottish National Party but now they're just as economically liberal as New Labour. It's about time that Britain became more federal, I have no doubt that the world would be a much better place if it were inhabitated by all small countries.

[Hionntach]

Good job Scotland. Go finish what NI started.

.... gay marriage? o.O

Unless by NI you mean National Insurance. In which case I guess you're right. NI treats everyone roughly equally on an individual need basis, so.

Civil partnerships in the UK, the stepping stone to get to this point, were first introduced in Northern Ireland

[Sevco 5508]

The first civil partnership was in England.

[SD_Film Artists]

I resent the notion that the SNP is not neo-liberal, Salmond used to be socialist as did the Scottish National Party but now they're just as economically liberal as New Labour. It's about time that Britain became more federal, I have no doubt that the world would be a much better place if it were inhabitated by all small countries.

But then you don't get the pooling of resources and similar benefits of a large state; it's just 'independence for independence's sake'.

[Christian area]

I hope and pray it will fail

[Hionntach]

The first civil partnership was in England.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4540226.stm

Nope.

Edit : Ah I see there was one partnership in Brighton that lasted less than a day but NI held the first civil partnerships without skipping the waiting period.

[Milks Empire]

I hope and pray it will fail

I hope it passes just to piss off the bigots.

[Nadkor]

The first civil partnership was in England.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4540226.stm

Nope.

True story - I was sat not 100 yards away when that was happening, drinking in the Christmas market on the grass at the front of the City Hall, and completely oblivious to the whole thing.

[Northern Dominus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4540226.stm

Nope.

True story - I was sat not 100 yards away when that was happening, drinking in the Christmas market on the grass at the front of the City Hall, and completely oblivious to the whole thing.

And probably thinking "gee all of these people look fabulous, wonder where the party is?"

[Nadkor]

True story - I was sat not 100 yards away when that was happening, drinking in the Christmas market on the grass at the front of the City Hall, and completely oblivious to the whole thing.

And probably thinking "gee all of these people look fabulous, wonder where the party is?"

Trust me, the party was in the beer tent I was in.

[Sevco 5508]

I resent the notion that the SNP is not neo-liberal, Salmond used to be socialist as did the Scottish National Party but now they're just as economically liberal as New Labour. It's about time that Britain became more federal, I have no doubt that the world would be a much better place if it were inhabitated by all small countries.

But then you don't get the pooling of resources and similar benefits of a large state; it's just 'independence for independence's sake'.

Nothing short of twinkle in the eye rhetoric, he has a lot of Labour voters to convince and many of them are proper Labour, not the garbage you get down south.

[SD_Film Artists]

But then you don't get the pooling of resources and similar benefits of a large state; it's just 'independence for independence's sake'.

Nothing short of twinkle in the eye rhetoric, he has a lot of Labour voters to convince and many of them are proper Labour, not the garbage you get down south.

I don't doubt that (other than them being garbage), but I was talking about small states in general.

[Sevco 5508]

Blair expanded the state (marginally) but you couldn't possibly call his economic policies as anything other than neo-liberal, I think that both Blair and Salmond are populists first and foremost and they perceive a lot of elements of neo-liberalism to be popular with a large chunk of the electorate. Perhaps they're correct, but neo-liberalism is not the right thing for the UK or for Scotland.

Salmond isn't daft, he knows how unpopular public spending cuts and reductions in the size of the state are with the voters he and his need to attract.

[Danbershan]

Blair expanded the state (marginally) but you couldn't possibly call his economic policies as anything other than neo-liberal, I think that both Blair and Salmond are populists first and foremost and they perceive a lot of elements of neo-liberalism to be popular with a large chunk of the electorate. Perhaps they're correct, but neo-liberalism is not the right thing for the UK or for Scotland.

Salmond isn't daft, he knows how unpopular public spending cuts and reductions in the size of the state are with the voters he and his need to attract.

I reckon Salmond and his followers are going to manage to manipulate the Scottish public into voting for independence, or at least devo-max. All power to them.

[SD_Film Artists]

Blair expanded the state (marginally)

Westminster has devolved more powers to the Constituent Countries, not less.

[Tmutarakhan]

I hope and pray it will fail

That's a very spiteful thing to say. Why are you wishing people ill?

[Sevco 5508]

They'll manage devo max provided they can get it on the ballot paper, the momentum is swinging away from the SNP on independence but these things swing in roundabouts, perhaps the referendum will be something similar to the 1992 UK general election.

[Sevco 5508]

Blair expanded the state (marginally)

Westminster has devolved more powers to the Constituent Countries, not less.

I'm talking about the size of government, I suspect you're talking about something altogether different.

[SD_Film Artists]

Westminster has devolved more powers to the Constituent Countries, not less.

I'm talking about the size of government, I suspect you're talking about something altogether different.

It's about time that Britain became more federal, I have no doubt that the world would be a much better place if it were inhabitated by all small countries.