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Postby Danbershan » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:46 am

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Danbershan wrote:About bloody time. I thought the UK was meant to be progressive? Next up - civil partnership for male-female couples.

We're getting there ;)

Socially, at least. Economically we're probably the least "progressive" in the whole of Europe.


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Postby Leepaidamba » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:48 am

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Simply put marriage is not a religious event.

No, it's not anymore.

Of course there's the legal side, and the legal bindings. But everyone I know who is married, was married in a Church/Cathedral. Therefore, to me, it's still a religious event.

Just over half the UK population is not religious, yet I highly doubt this half of the population marries any less than the other.
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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:48 am

Krumbia wrote:Of course there's the legal side, and the legal bindings.

And that's what's in question here. And if extending that to all consenting adults bothers you, TOUGH SHIT. Get over yourself.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:49 am

Oh, Scotland...always the rebel... :roll:

Congratulations, Scotland. :clap:
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Postby Britennene » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:49 am

Very good.
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Postby Madda » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:50 am

Well, it's good that there are more progressive places in the world. In 50 years, denying gays the right to marry will be like denying interracial marriages.
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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:50 am

Liriena wrote:Oh, Scotland...always the rebel... :roll:

If it's a rebellion, where are the 12 dudes and the bagpipe? :unsure:
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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:51 am

Madda wrote:Well, it's good that there are more progressive places in the world. In 50 years, denying gays the right to marry will be like denying interracial marriages.

Don't say that too soon...
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Postby Manahakatouki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:51 am

Good for the Scots...
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Postby Anacasppia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:52 am

Aw yeah! Well, that's being the libertarian that I am. :P
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Postby Northern Dominus » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:53 am

Scotland the Brave indeed! Leading the way in civil rights for the entire UK.
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Postby Anacasppia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:53 am

Milks Empire wrote:
Madda wrote:Well, it's good that there are more progressive places in the world. In 50 years, denying gays the right to marry will be like denying interracial marriages.

Don't say that too soon...


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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:55 am

Good stuff, Scotland.
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Postby Kulverint » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:57 am

Once again the Scottish Parliament shows itself to be thinking way ahead of the British one in Westminster. Just like on Tuition fees, NHS funding and Smoking bans.
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Postby Krumbia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:58 am

I'm awful at debating. Couldn't do it for the life of me. You must note, that Protestantism is the national religion of the UK. More specifically the Church of England, Scotland and Ireland (iirc). To add to this, HM Elizabeth II is the Head of the Church of England. Theoretically, this shouldn't pass. But it will.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:59 am

Krumbia wrote:I'm awful at debating. Couldn't do it for the life of me. You must note, that Protestantism is the national religion of the UK. More specifically the Church of England, Scotland and Ireland (iirc). To add to this, HM Elizabeth II is the Head of the Church of England. Theoretically, this shouldn't pass. But it will.

Why shouldn't this pass? The UK isn't a theocracy, even if it has a "state religion".
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Postby Northern Dominus » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:00 am

Kulverint wrote:Once again the Scottish Parliament shows itself to be thinking way ahead of the British one in Westminster. Just like on Tuition fees, NHS funding and Smoking bans.
That's right, forgot about those advancements as well. Jebus Scotland's ahead of the curve over most European nations, not just little ol England!

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Postby Shard_Head » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:01 am

Krumbia wrote:I'm awful at debating. Couldn't do it for the life of me. You must note, that Protestantism is the national religion of the UK. More specifically the Church of England, Scotland and Ireland (iirc). To add to this, HM Elizabeth II is the Head of the Church of England. Theoretically, this shouldn't pass. But it will.


You have a major misunderstanding of the UK. Protestantism isn't the national religion of the UK. Only the Church of England is an established church.
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Postby Shard_Head » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Krumbia wrote:I'm awful at debating. Couldn't do it for the life of me. You must note, that Protestantism is the national religion of the UK. More specifically the Church of England, Scotland and Ireland (iirc). To add to this, HM Elizabeth II is the Head of the Church of England. Theoretically, this shouldn't pass. But it will.

Why shouldn't this pass? The UK isn't a theocracy, even if it has a "state religion".


It doesn't
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Postby Krumbia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:03 am

Ifreann wrote:
Krumbia wrote:I'm awful at debating. Couldn't do it for the life of me. You must note, that Protestantism is the national religion of the UK. More specifically the Church of England, Scotland and Ireland (iirc). To add to this, HM Elizabeth II is the Head of the Church of England. Theoretically, this shouldn't pass. But it will.

Why shouldn't this pass? The UK isn't a theocracy, even if it has a "state religion".

For the reasons I stated. If the state religion opposed a bill so passionately, and if the head of the state religion was also the Head of State, and if he/she also opposed the bill, then it should not pass.

In an alternate country, and the situation was the same, but the Head of State actually had some power, the bill wouldn't pass.
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Postby Kulverint » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:04 am

Krumbia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why shouldn't this pass? The UK isn't a theocracy, even if it has a "state religion".

For the reasons I stated. If the state religion opposed a bill so passionately, and if the head of the state religion was also the Head of State, and if he/she also opposed the bill, then it should not pass.

In an alternate country, and the situation was the same, but the Head of State actually had some power, the bill wouldn't pass.

...And that kind of situation would be completely wrong.
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Postby Krumbia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:05 am

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Krumbia wrote:I'm awful at debating. Couldn't do it for the life of me. You must note, that Protestantism is the national religion of the UK. More specifically the Church of England, Scotland and Ireland (iirc). To add to this, HM Elizabeth II is the Head of the Church of England. Theoretically, this shouldn't pass. But it will.


You have a major misunderstanding of the UK. Protestantism isn't the national religion of the UK. Only the Church of England is an established church.

When I click on the wikipedia article for state religion, the first thing I notice is the bit that says "also called an official religion, established church or state church".
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:05 am

Good for them.
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Postby Divair » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:06 am

Krumbia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why shouldn't this pass? The UK isn't a theocracy, even if it has a "state religion".

For the reasons I stated. If the state religion opposed a bill so passionately, and if the head of the state religion was also the Head of State, and if he/she also opposed the bill, then it should not pass.

In an alternate country, and the situation was the same, but the Head of State actually had some power, the bill wouldn't pass.

Just like in Norway until recently, the state religion barely makes a difference in reality. If the people and the government support it, then it will happen (and it should).
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Postby Krumbia » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:07 am

Kulverint wrote:
Krumbia wrote:For the reasons I stated. If the state religion opposed a bill so passionately, and if the head of the state religion was also the Head of State, and if he/she also opposed the bill, then it should not pass.

In an alternate country, and the situation was the same, but the Head of State actually had some power, the bill wouldn't pass.

...And that kind of situation would be completely wrong.

Why?
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