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Postby Thafoo » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:26 am

Why is it that sometimes, when you tell someone your religion, they act with arrogance and ignorance? When I explain to people my Buddhist views, they always act like what I had said was nonsense and I was an idiot for not believing in "[omnipotent figure here]"

Why is it that I can't tell someone my religion without them criticizing me? One time a christian tried to prove to me that there was more proof of Jesus existing than Buddha. Not really; The only "scientific" evidence of Jesus existing was an iffy Shroud of Turin and his biblical stories, whilst the Buddha has much more evidence, like how he was a prince of a (probably) existent Indian king, among other things. (The christian also tried to tell me that "we had no church")

Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

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Postby New Sapienta » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:27 am

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:43 am

Thafoo wrote:Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

no.
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:45 am

It's NSG. They don't pay them to debate, but they still do.

Should clue you in to people's eagerness to debate you.

Besides, the Christians are the killjoys, if recent events haven't already let you know that. :D
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:46 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

no.

Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.
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Postby Tigeria » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:46 am

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Postby Amastice » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:46 am

Thafoo wrote:Why is it that sometimes, when you tell someone your religion, they act with arrogance and ignorance? When I explain to people my Buddhist views, they always act like what I had said was nonsense and I was an idiot for not believing in "[omnipotent figure here]"

Why is it that I can't tell someone my religion without them criticizing me? One time a christian tried to prove to me that there was more proof of Jesus existing than Buddha. Not really; The only "scientific" evidence of Jesus existing was an iffy Shroud of Turin and his biblical stories, whilst the Buddha has much more evidence, like how he was a prince of a (probably) existent Indian king, among other things. (The christian also tried to tell me that "we had no church")

Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

What an Idiot, Buddha did exist, Prince Gutharma Sidhartha, Buddha isn't a god is he?

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:47 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote: no.

Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.


Or claiming you're a murderous Satanic cult without plastic devil horns for everybody.
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People will always find something to get unreasonably angry over. It's genetic, or something.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:47 am

Amastice wrote:What an Idiot, Buddha did exist, Prince Gutharma Sidhartha, Buddha isn't a god is he?


Buddha specifically stated he wasn't.
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Mavorpen wrote: no.

Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.

Depends on your definition of religion. Many people choose the broadest definition to incorporate it.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:48 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.


Or claiming you're a murderous Satanic cult without plastic devil horns for everybody.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:50 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote: no.

Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.

Or Jewish without a penchant for money-grubbing! (<sarcasticanti-religionbanter)

I'm pretty certain that Buddha has been established as a historical figure. Christ I'm less sure on but....Either way, there's always gonna be folks who just can't get along with other folks because of beliefs.
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Ruridova wrote:Three words: Welcome to NS the internet life.
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Mavorpen wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Three words: Welcome to NS the internet life.

Thanks for fixing that.
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Thafoo wrote:Why is it that sometimes, when you tell someone your religion, they act with arrogance and ignorance? When I explain to people my Buddhist views, they always act like what I had said was nonsense and I was an idiot for not believing in "[omnipotent figure here]"

Why is it that I can't tell someone my religion without them criticizing me? One time a christian tried to prove to me that there was more proof of Jesus existing than Buddha. Not really; The only "scientific" evidence of Jesus existing was an iffy Shroud of Turin and his biblical stories, whilst the Buddha has much more evidence, like how he was a prince of a (probably) existent Indian king, among other things. (The christian also tried to tell me that "we had no church")

Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

Buddhism is one of the only religions that ever made sense to me but because me and rituals/traditions/rules have a bit of a hardon hate for each other it never got anywhere. The meditation and pacifist elements appealed to me as well as the self-enlightenment aspect. I did dabble in Buddhism when I was younger while finding myself in a religious context - wound up determining that I was Atheist more than anything else.

Technically, the Buddhists don't have churches, you've got temples instead - it's a matter of language in that respect. ;)

We should accept each other but it's not going to happen until the zealots, fundamentalists and small-minded people die off. Religion can co-exist peacefully but not until the zealous elements are a footnote in a history textbook.
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There will always be someone there to persecute you for your beliefs. Best not to worry about it and shrug it off. :roll:
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:55 am

Kryozerkia wrote:Buddhism is one of the only religions that ever made sense to me but because me and rituals/traditions/rules have a bit of a hardon hate for each other it never got anywhere.


If you don't like the rituals or traditions, then don't follow them. Buddha said don't follow things because they are tradition. The only real rules there are are following the Noble Eightfold Path. But if you don't do that, you aren't a Buddhist, now are you? :lol:
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Postby Johz » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:59 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote: no.

Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.

It's better than the Greeks and the Norse beliefs, who can't even decide which flag to use, and so pick all of them.

Or even the Hindus who have a flag that you can't understand, and so have to view in the form of the component parts of the flag.

Indeed, the Christians and the Muslims can't even see their flag.

I'm not sure where the flag of Nepal fits in this metaphor.
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Thafoo wrote:Why is it that sometimes, when you tell someone your religion, they act with arrogance and ignorance? When I explain to people my Buddhist views, they always act like what I had said was nonsense and I was an idiot for not believing in "[omnipotent figure here]"

Why is it that I can't tell someone my religion without them criticizing me? One time a christian tried to prove to me that there was more proof of Jesus existing than Buddha. Not really; The only "scientific" evidence of Jesus existing was an iffy Shroud of Turin and his biblical stories, whilst the Buddha has much more evidence, like how he was a prince of a (probably) existent Indian king, among other things. (The christian also tried to tell me that "we had no church")

Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

I'd like to point out there is more evidence of God's existence but you were probably unaware of it. For example, the tilma with the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on it. It has lasted in near perfect conditions in the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe for 478 years. All other clothes made of similar material kept in the same environment as that within the basilica have lasted for only about 10 years. In 1785, a worker in the basilica accidently spilled nitric acid across the right side of the tilma. Since then, it has not frayed, decayed or suffered any discoloration as it should have. In 1979 Philip C. Callahan, a research biophysicist at the University of Florida studied the tilma and concluded the image could not have been made by human hands. The eyes of Mary also feature corneal reflections, a feat in imaging that was impossible until the modern age. To all who deny the existence of any higher beings of any kind, just look around and you will learn of all the impossible things that happened and still happen in our world.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:03 am

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:04 am

Johz wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.

It's better than the Greeks and the Norse beliefs, who can't even decide which flag to use, and so pick all of them.

Or even the Hindus who have a flag that you can't understand, and so have to view in the form of the component parts of the flag.

Indeed, the Christians and the Muslims can't even see their flag.

I'm not sure where the flag of Nepal fits in this metaphor.

Interesting extrapolation. I rather think the Muslims and Christians can see their flags; they're wrapped in them. The Jews have a flag but only bring it out on special occasions and in the privacy of their places of worship. Nepal would fit roughly between Mali and Oman.
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