Is American exceptionalism a threat to the world?

[Nazis in Space]

Gettinf real fucking tired of these anti-american threads. Lets get one thing straight, in terms of past superpowers, the US is the best the world has had. Out of all the wars in which the US has conquered territory, find one instance in which it took that land for its own, besides the revolution.

The American-Indian wars.

The Mexican-American war.

The Spanish-American war.

Not to say the OP isn't paranoid and rambling, but there are such instances in our past.

I think he means land belonging to real people. You know. White, English-speaking ones. Preferably protestants.

[Soviet Grazeland]

It already is.

[Republika Jugoslavija]

Gettinf real fucking tired of these anti-american threads. Lets get one thing straight, in terms of past superpowers, the US is the best the world has had. Out of all the wars in which the US has conquered territory, find one instance in which it took that land for its own, besides the revolution.

The American-Indian wars.

The Mexican-American war.

The Spanish-American war.

Not to say the OP isn't paranoid and rambling, but there are such instances in our past.

So because Mexico started a war with the USA, a war in which they said they would not stop until they had taken New Orleans and shut down the Mississippi River to American commerce, we are somehow to blame?

Mexico started a war, America kicked the crap out of them, and then we paid them a huge amount of money for the land that was occupied.

[Corporate Councils]

And it worked because America believed itself to be a special example, a sort of Messiah and its a belief that continues on in the American attempts to spread its version of democracy around the world. This may be the very root of the problem for if America is the divine force for good in the world then all who oppose it are in league with the forces of darkness, or as Bush put it in an address to a joint session of Congress "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -which is a textbook example of Manichaeism in action.

Again, you conflate rhetoric with actions. America wanted to go west because there was a lot of land and resources out there, Manifest Destiny was a philosophical fiction that justified the clearing out of anybody who happened to be living on the land we wanted.

Also, though Bush used some fiery words about people being with us or against us, did he actually take the actions to back it up? The answer is not really, because it turns out that American leaders aren't so ignorant of realpolitik. If he and the rest of the American leaders were actually as batshit insane and willing to turn on our allies at a moment's notice, we would have invaded France for their unwillingness to support our invasion of Iraq (which was really a lot of confusion by what they meant by support) instead of had a stupid campaign to rename "french fries" to "freedom fries".

You're misreading what I said, I was referencing Washington's opposition to the use of torture which has been ignored in a nation that views him with some level of divinity.

Though we do view him as a secular saint of sorts, you severely overestimate how much his opinions have on actual American policy. Washington also argued against political parties and involvement in international affairs. We've abandoned any actual adherence to his ideals since 1800.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

I am fairly certain no one still believes in exceptionalism. And I have just as much data to back that up as the OP does for his statement.

[Cameroi]

to the planet, to the web of life, and ultimately to itself, absolutely. american, or anyone else's either.

[Cassidino]

I am fairly certain no one still believes in exceptionalism. And I have just as much data to back that up as the OP does for his statement.

I can remember two months ago reading an article on Time.com titled: America: Are We Really Exceptional? It said that Americans were indeed exceptional... That's ignoring the fact that many countries have surpassed the United States in standard of living measures and GDP per Capita, by a loooong margin.

All I have to say is that in some regards America needs to butt out of other people's issues. Many Australians (me included) feel that the US stationing troops here will make us more of a target for extremists, and also in the event of a war against China, a strategic battlefront. By all means have some troops here, but please don't think that because you're #1 it means you can willingly intimidate the PRC at the expense of others. Obama's decision to place more troops in Darwin hurt our relations with China badly.

Edit: spelling

[Divair]

I am fairly certain no one still believes in exceptionalism. And I have just as much data to back that up as the OP does for his statement.

There are a few ultra-nationalists on NS who actually believe the US is perfect.

[Republika Jugoslavija]

I am fairly certain no one still believes in exceptionalism. And I have just as much data to back that up as the OP does for his statement.

There are a few ultra-nationalists on NS who actually believe the US is perfect.

It is hard to love a country that makes war on the people who founded and built it.

Nationalism to America is basically Empire/Government nationalism with love for, and obedience to, the central government, sort of like being a nationalist in the old Hapsburg Austria-Hungary.

The only true form of nationalism will always be ethnic nationalism and to an extent racial nationalism as race is a simply a wider collection of similar ethnic groups.


The United States is the best country in the world but one with major flaws, facing a massive demographic crisis, an emerging and ever increasing police state system, and the ongoing erosion of common law freedoms and private property rights, with the ongoing increase in the dsygenic welfare state.

In a world where most nations rank as F or D- at best, the USA being a C- or a D+ puts it ahead of everybody else, but there is still much room for improvement. You don't tack a C- test on the board for all to see.

[Corporate Councils]

I am fairly certain no one still believes in exceptionalism. And I have just as much data to back that up as the OP does for his statement.

There are a few ultra-nationalists on NS who actually believe the US is perfect.

There are also people on NS who believe that North Korea is perfect (ok, one person). Just goes to show that you can find anyone on the internet.

[Saiwania]

There are a few ultra-nationalists on NS who actually believe the US is perfect.

There are also people on NS who believe that North Korea is perfect (ok, one person). Just goes to show that you can find anyone on the internet.

And if the US were to become liberal economically and socially, that it would all of the sudden be "perfect"? Perfection is a stupid metric to aim for, because no country is going to achieve that. What is better is to try to be the best at what we are good at and not everything. I am content with the US being the wealthiest nation overall and remaining one of the preeminent military superpowers.

[Napkiraly]

1)It is hard to love a country that makes war on the people who founded and built it.

2)Nationalism to America is basically Empire/Government nationalism with love for, and obedience to, the central government, sort of like being a nationalist in the old Hapsburg Austria-Hungary.

3)The only true form of nationalism will always be ethnic nationalism and to an extent racial nationalism as race is a simply a wider collection of similar ethnic groups.


4)The United States is the best country in the world but one with major flaws, 5)facing a massive demographic crisis, an emerging and ever increasing police state system, and the ongoing erosion of common law freedoms and private property rights, with the ongoing increase in the dsygenic welfare state.

6)In a world where most nations rank as F or D- at best, 7)the USA being a C- or a D+ puts it ahead of everybody else, but there is still much room for improvement. You don't tack a C- test on the board for all to see.

1) True.
2) More to the nation than the government (among a lot of other things), but yes this is true. It is possible to be a nationalist and be against the current government, see certain far-right Republicans for example.
3) No, not really.
4) Debatable in regards to if it's the best nation on the planet.
5) What demographic crisis is this? Sure America has an ageing population, but it's a lot worse than other places. Also immigration and high birth rates among recent immigrants tend to even it out.
6) Actually I'd rate most nations being between a D+ or a C-. There aren't that many failed nations, though there are quite a few close to it. I'd say 7
7) America is more of a B- to B+. It has a lot of problems, but overall it isn't bad as most other countries.

[Galla-]

OP = Ramblings of a crotchety British nationalist sad to see the Empire go.

Gettinf real fucking tired of these anti-american threads. Lets get one thing straight, in terms of past superpowers, the US is the best the world has had. Out of all the wars in which the US has conquered territory, find one instance in which it took that land for its own, besides the revolution.

Almost every war between the 1840s-1920s.

Not that that's a bad thing or anything.

[Republika Jugoslavija]

1)It is hard to love a country that makes war on the people who founded and built it.

2)Nationalism to America is basically Empire/Government nationalism with love for, and obedience to, the central government, sort of like being a nationalist in the old Hapsburg Austria-Hungary.

3)The only true form of nationalism will always be ethnic nationalism and to an extent racial nationalism as race is a simply a wider collection of similar ethnic groups.


4)The United States is the best country in the world but one with major flaws, 5)facing a massive demographic crisis, an emerging and ever increasing police state system, and the ongoing erosion of common law freedoms and private property rights, with the ongoing increase in the dsygenic welfare state.

6)In a world where most nations rank as F or D- at best, 7)the USA being a C- or a D+ puts it ahead of everybody else, but there is still much room for improvement. You don't tack a C- test on the board for all to see.

1) True.
2) More to the nation than the government (among a lot of other things), but yes this is true. It is possible to be a nationalist and be against the current government, see certain far-right Republicans for example.
3) No, not really.
4) Debatable in regards to if it's the best nation on the planet.
5) What demographic crisis is this? Sure America has an ageing population, but it's a lot worse than other places. Also immigration and high birth rates among recent immigrants tend to even it out.
6) Actually I'd rate most nations being between a D+ or a C-. There aren't that many failed nations, though there are quite a few close to it. I'd say 7
7) America is more of a B- to B+. It has a lot of problems, but overall it isn't bad as most other countries.

The demographic crisis is simple. America was a nation founded by Western/Northern Europeans, explicitly for their benefit and the benefit of their posterity. America had a 92% European population as recently as 1965. It presently has a population that is barely 60% European, and falling fast. I would call that a demographic crisis. The replacement of an advanced first world civilized population with a third world peasant serf population.

It is dysgenics in the worst form. The largest wealth transfers in the history of the world are underway and ongoing. Productive Europeans are taxed to death to the point that most can scarcely afford one or two children, while irresponsible invaders, aliens, asylum seekers (whatever term you want to use to describe the third world refuse washing up in any given Western nation) are provided everything they need by the state so they can feed the 10-12 children they have whom would otherwise starve to death.

[Swith Witherward]

The demographic crisis is simple. America was a nation founded by Western/Northern Europeans, explicitly for their benefit and the benefit of their posterity. America had a 92% European population as recently as 1965. It presently has a population that is barely 60% European, and falling fast. I would call that a demographic crisis. The replacement of an advanced first world civilized population with a third world peasant serf population.

It is dysgenics in the worst form. The largest wealth transfers in the history of the world are underway and ongoing. Productive Europeans are taxed to death to the point that most can scarcely afford one or two children, while irresponsible invaders, aliens, asylum seekers (whatever term you want to use to describe the third world refuse washing up in any given Western nation) are provided everything they need by the state so they can feed the 10-12 children they have whom would otherwise starve to death.

That's a fairly harsh assessment but there are probably quite a few Americans who would agree with you.

I've never understood the Apologetics (I can't think of a different word to convey my concept) behind it. It seems that America bends over backwards to help those who were victims in the past or those who come here from third world countries... to the point of sacrificing the good of the whole. It is socially unacceptable in America to say bad things about some groups but those same groups have free reign to tear into Caucasians. I don't understand this. Aren't we all human beings?

[Republika Jugoslavija]

The demographic crisis is simple. America was a nation founded by Western/Northern Europeans, explicitly for their benefit and the benefit of their posterity. America had a 92% European population as recently as 1965. It presently has a population that is barely 60% European, and falling fast. I would call that a demographic crisis. The replacement of an advanced first world civilized population with a third world peasant serf population.

It is dysgenics in the worst form. The largest wealth transfers in the history of the world are underway and ongoing. Productive Europeans are taxed to death to the point that most can scarcely afford one or two children, while irresponsible invaders, aliens, asylum seekers (whatever term you want to use to describe the third world refuse washing up in any given Western nation) are provided everything they need by the state so they can feed the 10-12 children they have whom would otherwise starve to death.

That's a fairly harsh assessment but there are probably quite a few Americans who would agree with you.

I've never understood the Apologetics (I can't think of a different word to convey my concept) behind it. It seems that America bends over backwards to help those who were victims in the past or those who come here from third world countries... to the point of sacrificing the good of the whole. It is socially unacceptable in America to say bad things about some groups but those same groups have free reign to tear into Caucasians. I don't understand this. Aren't we all human beings?

Whites have been marked for marginalization, dispossession, disenfranchisement, and ultimately replacement in all of their homelands and lands that have traditionally been White for the last 400-25,000 years.

There is no wave of Somalians moving into Japan, nobody insists that Saudi Arabia accept 10,000,000 Chinese immigrants. Nobody suggests that Egypt accept 5,000,000 West Africans, or that Mexico open its doors to Congolese or Cambodians.

Only White/European nations are expected to open their doors and pay to have third world peasants brought in by plane or ship. Europe is expected to lie down and accommodate 100,000,000 + with probably another 100,000,000 on the way over the next 10-15 years. Not to mention that in Britain they get council housing, some of them have families of 12 with a 2 million pound sterling house, provided by tax money that was meant for the welfare and improvement of the British nation for the British people. In the United States they have Section 8 housing, food-stamps, EBT (which they may now use for alcohol and tobacco due to policy changes), free medical care via medicaid, unemployment payments, and all sorts of other forms of wealth transfer.

The motivation behind these campaigns is obvious, well obvious to me anyway. The imposition of conditions upon White people that makes it extremely difficult for them to live in peace, prosper, and reproduce in their own lands is a form of genocide. The bombarding of White people with endless government and media/private propaganda aimed to convince them to refrain from reproduction and to despise their heritage is a form of genocide. The motivation of this campaign is to achieve a world without White people, the end goal of this campaign is the destruction of the White race in any and every country where it is found. The people pursuing this objective will not be satisfied if there are 5,000 Whites left in the Appalachians or 10,000 left in Siberia, or 500 left in the Falklands, every White person must perish for their campaign to be successfully concluded.


How does the United Nations define genocide?

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II



We see that the physical killing is well underway in South Africa and the United States… From 1960 to the present no less than 500,000 White Americans have been murdered by Black Americans. From 1990 to the present, no less than 100,000 White South Africans have been murdered by Black South Africans.

As for mental harm, spend 10 years in the public education system of any Western nation and you’ll experience firsthand what can only be termed “mental harm.”


Nobody seriously talks about moving 10,000,000 White Europeans into Central Africa, but they do seriously talk about moving millions of Africans into Europe, and beyond talking they actually do it, and they actually require Europeans to subsidize it and thus pay for their own destruction.

[Hittanryan]

I'm an American and I think American exceptionalism (AKA nationalism) is a threat not only to the world but to the US itself. We've reached the point where we can't fix half the problems plaguing the country due to some pig-headed idea that the only viable solutions would be "un-American." Until our ego deflates a bit, we'll continue to fall farther and farther behind the rest of the world in many basic measures of our standard of living.

[San-Silvacian]

Not a thread specifically about 'American exceptionalism' but rather I use this in the title to distinguish this from the many threads asking what people think of America.

I am sure we are all aware that the US has stereotypically viewed itself as the perfect form of government at the end of history (à la Fukuyama) and Gods Kingdom on Earth. There is not much debating the existence of this belief that has manifested itself from the very first puritan settlers or otherwise trying to put it in comparison to how other nations have viewed their place in the world (yeah, hyper-religious Ugandans are basically Britain's fault but try and find anything in Disraeli that matches Neo-conservative foreign policy)

Please, keep your biased and rather uninformed opinions to yourself. This may be the interwebs but blasting stuff like this and not following it up with a form of meme makes you look very much so like a simply complainer who does nothing to stop what happens, but simply sits around and waits for it some with initiative to make it happen.

I myself am an American and view my government horribly dysfunctional, but its kept 50 states and a few territories together for a hundred and forty years or so.

[Mavorpen]

I will never apologize for America. At most, I will say I'm sorry.

[San-Silvacian]

I will never apologize for America. At most, I will say I'm sorry.

Eh, you never committed the acts that were done by others.

A simple "Shit happens" should suffice.

[Distruzio]

Yes, the United States is a danger to the rest of the world b/c of exceptionalism. Particularly the non Protestant and brown peoples.

[Swith Witherward]

Only White/European nations are expected to open their doors and pay to have third world peasants brought in by plane or ship. Europe is expected to lie down and accommodate 100,000,000 + with probably another 100,000,000 on the way over the next 10-15 years. Not to mention that in Britain they get council housing, some of them have families of 12 with a 2 million pound sterling house, provided by tax money that was meant for the welfare and improvement of the British nation for the British people. In the United States they have Section 8 housing, food-stamps, EBT (which they may now use for alcohol and tobacco due to policy changes), free medical care via medicaid, unemployment payments, and all sorts of other forms of wealth transfer.

To be fair, there are Caucasian people receiving public assistance. There are people who suck in their pride and apply for benefits because they are temporarily trapped in a bad situation and then there are people who leach off the system as a means to avoid being a productive member of society. I don't believe that any one group is free from scorn on the "leach" issue.

I don't consider unemployment payments as a form of public assistance as they are very short term and the individual has worked long enough to qualify; payments are limited by a set length of time and most people do attempt to find a new job as soon as possible.

I personally frown upon benefits for people who legally immigrate to any country. Immigrants need to prove that they have a means to support themself (or have a sponsor); my own family immigrated and they worked hard to succeed without any help from their new government.

[Empire of Narnia]

Wow, what an America hater. America is a blessing to the world. America rocks!

[Swith Witherward]

Yes, the United States is a danger to the rest of the world. Particularly the non Christian and brown peoples.

That's odd. I was under the impression that Christianity wasn't PC ergo they are unwelcome. There seems to be a lot of hostility directed at them as a group.

[Hittanryan]

Yes, the United States is a danger to the rest of the world. Particularly the non Christian and brown peoples.

That's odd. I was under the impression that Christianity wasn't PC ergo they are unwelcome. There seems to be a lot of hostility directed at them as a group.

Religious freedom doesn't extend to "I can take away other people's freedom in the name of my religion." Christianity is just getting less of a free pass than it used to, not that it doesn't have the entirety of the Republican Party going to bat for it anyway.