If the south had won the civil war.

[New Sparta 1309]

This post is intended to be a serious historical discussion of the events that could have transpired had the Confederate States proved victorious in the civil war. Lets please keep this civil and on topic. If you intend to post something along the lines of "there would have been slavery forever" or "they’d be just like the Nazis" then I believe this post is not for you as that shows you really don’t understand the causes behind the civil war. Let’s start of how things go immediately following the end of the war, me personally I think that Robert E.Lee would have become the president following Jefferson Davis and that he would have begun the process of manumitting the slaves.

P.S. Mod's please dont lock this thread.

[Revolutopia]

This post is intended to be a serious historical discussion of the events that could have transpired had the Confederate States proved victorious in the civil war. Lets please keep this civil and on topic. If you intend to post something along the lines of "there would have been slavery forever" or "they’d be just like the Nazis" then I believe this post is not for you as that shows you really don’t understand the causes behind the civil war. Let’s start of how things go immediately following the end of the war, me personally I think that Robert E.Lee would have become the president following Jefferson Davis and that he would have begun the process of manumitting the slaves.

P.S. Mod's please dont lock this thread.

Might we dare ask what were the causes of the Civil War?

[Wamitoria]

We'd all be speaking southron.

[Mike the Progressive]

We'd all be drinking tea and shitting crumpets.

Divide and conquer, lads. Divide and conquer.

[New Sparta 1309]

Might we dare ask what were the causes of the Civil War?[/quote]

What the war essently came down to was a debate of how much power the national goverment has. The southern states that secceded wanted control of there own state and they didnt want what they felt where people who did not understand them dictating what they could or could not do.

[Wikkiwallana]

I'd be living in hell.

[New Sparta 1309]

I'd be living in hell.

how so ?

[Noobubersland]

We'd all be drinking tea and shitting crumpets.

Divide and conquer, lads. Divide and conquer.

That would be the north, the south would be French and the west would be.... More Spanish then now, Checks and balances and all that

[Revolutopia]

Might we dare ask what were the causes of the Civil War?

What the war essently came down to was a debate of how much power the national goverment has. The southern states that secceded wanted control of there own state and they didnt want what they felt where people who did not understand them dictating what they could or could not do.[/quote]

Nope, that cannot be the cause saying that the South repeatedly attempted to use the Federal Government as a tool to squash Northern State Rights. Instead, it seems like it had to do with them wanting to own all the slaves they wanted without challenge.

[Noobubersland]

Might we dare ask what were the causes of the Civil War?

What the war essently came down to was a debate of how much power the national goverment has. The southern states that secceded wanted control of there own state and they didnt want what they felt where people who did not understand them dictating what they could or could not do.[/quote]
Exactly, the states right to own slaves

[Wikkiwallana]

I'd be living in hell.

how so ?

I hate living in Guns'n'Godland enough as it is. Add in slavery, even more poverty, and obscene state power and I'd either have to try to claim refugee status somewhere saner or hang myself.

[New Sparta 1309]

Might we dare ask what were the causes of the Civil War?

What the war essently came down to was a debate of how much power the national goverment has. The southern states that secceded wanted control of there own state and they didnt want what they felt where people who did not understand them dictating what they could or could not do.

Nope, that cannot be the cause saying that the South repeatedly attempted to use the Federal Government as a tool to squash Northern State Rights. Instead, it seems like it had to do with them wanting to own all the slaves they wanted without challenge.[/quote]

the majority of those who fought in the civil war for the south did not own slaves, neither did the generals. The north didnt give a rats ass about the blacks in the south. And what the south did after the war is in now way a reflection of the south before the war, and as previously stated if you wana argue that it was all about slavery this post is not for you.

[Novaya Tselinoyarsk]

The United States would be 1/100th of it's current power.

[The Taryegeans]

They would not have lasted long, and then rejoined the Union proper (whether they wanted do or not.)

King Cotton was dead. The international community had found cheaper, more plentiful sources such as Egypt to compensate for the blockade on the South.

Their meager industry was damaged heavily by the War, and the massive loss of life would have left them with a large gap in the generations, with a large amount of young men all dead wounded.

The slaves would have most likely revolted, having had such a taste of Freedom as the Emancipation Proclamation. Even if they had been successful in putting down these revolts, more would have dead, meaning there would be even less young men to draw from for such critcal tasks as the army, police force, government, etc.

The South had been stripped dry by the foraging of both armies, and the seizure of civilian supplies for army needs. Multiple invasions by the North mean many cities lay in ruins, Vicksburg balsted by shelling, Atlanta a raging inferno, etc.

In short, the South might have lasted a decade at most before crawling back to the Union on their knees.

EDIT: As well, the international community would not have traded with the Confederacy, due to the negative stigma of trading with a slaver nation.

[Wikkiwallana]

the majority of those who fought in the civil war for the south did not own slaves, neither did the generals. The north didnt give a rats ass about the blacks in the south. And what the south did after the war is in now way a reflection of the south before the war, and as previously stated if you wana argue that it was all about slavery this post is not for you.

Trimmed out the quote tree to fix the tag issue. And the war was totally about slavery, given how prominent and frequent the mentions of slavery were in the secession documents, the new constitution, and various speeches by the leaders of the Confederacy.

[Revolutopia]

the majority of those who fought in the civil war for the south did not own slaves, neither did the generals. The north didnt give a rats ass about the blacks in the south. And what the south did after the war is in now way a reflection of the south before the war, and as previously stated if you wana argue that it was all about slavery this post is not for you.

Only correcting you misconception of how the South was fighting for something besides slavery and them have a Hissy Fit over losing a legitimate election.

[Genivaria]

If the Rebels had won the war then there would be no American nation.

[Distruzio]

I'd be a different sort of disgruntled anarchist who approves of the better American Republic, but a disgruntled anarchist nonetheless. Just like now.

[New Sparta 1309]

I can tell this post is going off track allready. As the majority of the posts have allready been about slavery which I asked be left out of the conversation because that shows me you have not studdied the war beyond what you learned in school. To bad this could have been intresting.

[Noobubersland]

If the Rebels had won the war then there would be no American nation.

Why not, technically, every nation in the Americas is an american nation

[Distruzio]

If the Rebels had won the war then there would be no American nation.

How so? Would the Union have disappeared without the South? Then what was that entity that invaded them?

[Revolutopia]

I can tell this post is going off track allready. As the majority of the posts have allready been about slavery which I asked be left out of the conversation because that shows me you have not studdied the war beyond what you learned in school. To bad this could have been intresting.

You want us to discuss an historical hypothetical, while ignoring the historical realty of the object/event you are talking about. I don't see how that is supposed to work.

[Noobubersland]

I can tell this post is going off track allready. As the majority of the posts have allready been about slavery which I asked be left out of the conversation because that shows me you have not studdied the war beyond what you learned in school. To bad this could have been intresting.

the only reason they succeeded was because of slavery, it's like saying"guys, like talk about what would happen if Germany had won ww2, but don't mention what they would do to Jews or Slavs, now discuss"

[Distruzio]

I can tell this post is going off track allready. As the majority of the posts have allready been about slavery which I asked be left out of the conversation because that shows me you have not studdied the war beyond what you learned in school. To bad this could have been intresting.

Imagine a world where there were no hypotheticals.

[Rejaina]

This post is intended to be a serious historical discussion of the events that could have transpired had the Confederate States proved victorious in the civil war. Lets please keep this civil and on topic. If you intend to post something along the lines of "there would have been slavery forever" or "they’d be just like the Nazis" then I believe this post is not for you as that shows you really don’t understand the causes behind the civil war. Let’s start of how things go immediately following the end of the war, me personally I think that Robert E.Lee would have become the president following Jefferson Davis and that he would have begun the process of manumitting the slaves.

P.S. Mod's please dont lock this thread.

I would be a slave right now