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Should government tell us what not to drink?

1.Never
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29%
2.Sure, sugar is ebbil
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4%
3. Maybe if it is underage drinking you are talking about
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12%
4. Under certain circumstances
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10%
5. What about the beverage makers, hm?
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6%
6. Now I feel soooo thirsty
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9%
7. Hey Bloomberg, does this apply to stadium beer? the public will not stand for that.
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8%
8. Movie drinks are too expensive anyway
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7%
9. Your tax dollars at work
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12%
10. other
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4%
 
Total votes : 469

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Alyekra
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Postby Alyekra » Thu May 31, 2012 3:41 pm

Nahgallay wrote:I agree with this. 16oz of soda is more than enough. People should wake up, you shouldn't be drinking soda anyway. Too much sugar is terrible for you. He's trying to get people to be more conscious of what they put in their body. And the neglectful parents who let their children drink all the soda they want, no wonder America is so fat! These laws should be enacted everywhere. I haven't had soda in years and I dont miss it. I was drinking a 2 liter bottle of pepsi a day. I'm healthier now than I have ever been.


It's none of the government's business. If I want to kill myself with diabetes, then stinking let me kill myself with diabetes!
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Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 31, 2012 3:41 pm

Imsogone wrote:I also think that governments who put themselves in the business of making these decisions for me are even more unhealthy.

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
More than one-third of U.S. adults (35.7%) are obese.

No state has met the nation's Healthy People 2010External Web Site Icon goal to lower obesity prevalence to 15%. The number of states with an obesity prevalence of 30% or more has increased to 12 states in 2010. In 2009, nine states had obesity rates of 30% or more. In 2000, no state had an obesity prevalence of 30% or more.

During the past 20 years, there has been a dramatic increase in obesity in the United States and rates remain high.

By state, obesity prevalence ranged from 21.0% in Colorado to 34.0% in Mississippi in 2010. No state had a prevalence of obesity less than 20%. Thirty-six states had a prevalence of 25% or more; 12 of these states (Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia) had a prevalence of 30% or more.

The South has the highest prevalence of obesity (29.4%) followed by the Midwest (28.7%), Northeast (24.9%) and the West (24.1%).

This is a public health issue that demands some degree of public solution.
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu May 31, 2012 3:43 pm

Here's another gem from the NY State policy gurus.

They have now PROVED that DIET soda makes us fat!

How?

Well, they have this hard data, see, that shows that lots and lots of fat people drink diet soda!

So, the correlation is obvious!

To them.

So they want to tax diet soda, so that we will not be obese.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Thu May 31, 2012 3:44 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Imsogone wrote:I also think that governments who put themselves in the business of making these decisions for me are even more unhealthy.

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
More than one-third of U.S. adults (35.7%) are obese.

No state has met the nation's Healthy People 2010External Web Site Icon goal to lower obesity prevalence to 15%. The number of states with an obesity prevalence of 30% or more has increased to 12 states in 2010. In 2009, nine states had obesity rates of 30% or more. In 2000, no state had an obesity prevalence of 30% or more.

During the past 20 years, there has been a dramatic increase in obesity in the United States and rates remain high.

By state, obesity prevalence ranged from 21.0% in Colorado to 34.0% in Mississippi in 2010. No state had a prevalence of obesity less than 20%. Thirty-six states had a prevalence of 25% or more; 12 of these states (Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia) had a prevalence of 30% or more.

The South has the highest prevalence of obesity (29.4%) followed by the Midwest (28.7%), Northeast (24.9%) and the West (24.1%).

This is a public health issue that demands some degree of public solution.


So, rather than pushing a solution that promotes physical activity, they're going to ban one way to uptake calories.

Cool story.

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Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 31, 2012 3:45 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

This is a public health issue that demands some degree of public solution.


So, rather than pushing a solution that promotes physical activity, they're going to ban one way to uptake calories.

Cool story.

You can exercise all you want. If you still eat like shit, you're going to remain overweight.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu May 31, 2012 3:45 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Imsogone wrote:I also think that governments who put themselves in the business of making these decisions for me are even more unhealthy.

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
More than one-third of U.S. adults (35.7%) are obese.

No state has met the nation's Healthy People 2010External Web Site Icon goal to lower obesity prevalence to 15%. The number of states with an obesity prevalence of 30% or more has increased to 12 states in 2010. In 2009, nine states had obesity rates of 30% or more. In 2000, no state had an obesity prevalence of 30% or more.

During the past 20 years, there has been a dramatic increase in obesity in the United States and rates remain high.

By state, obesity prevalence ranged from 21.0% in Colorado to 34.0% in Mississippi in 2010. No state had a prevalence of obesity less than 20%. Thirty-six states had a prevalence of 25% or more; 12 of these states (Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia) had a prevalence of 30% or more.

The South has the highest prevalence of obesity (29.4%) followed by the Midwest (28.7%), Northeast (24.9%) and the West (24.1%).

This is a public health issue that demands some degree of public solution.


And I can understand that, but you can't just flat out ban certain goods, you can't just take away choice and assume people are too stupid to decide themselves. I mean you can, I'm just not sure it's the society I'd like to live in.

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Postby Alyekra » Thu May 31, 2012 3:45 pm

And why aren't people suggesting using the obesity rates as a form of preventing "overpopulation"?
(FOR LEGAL REASONS, THAT'S A JOKE)

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Postby Imsogone » Thu May 31, 2012 3:46 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Imsogone wrote:I also think that governments who put themselves in the business of making these decisions for me are even more unhealthy.

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
More than one-third of U.S. adults (35.7%) are obese.

No state has met the nation's Healthy People 2010External Web Site Icon goal to lower obesity prevalence to 15%. The number of states with an obesity prevalence of 30% or more has increased to 12 states in 2010. In 2009, nine states had obesity rates of 30% or more. In 2000, no state had an obesity prevalence of 30% or more.

During the past 20 years, there has been a dramatic increase in obesity in the United States and rates remain high.

By state, obesity prevalence ranged from 21.0% in Colorado to 34.0% in Mississippi in 2010. No state had a prevalence of obesity less than 20%. Thirty-six states had a prevalence of 25% or more; 12 of these states (Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia) had a prevalence of 30% or more.

The South has the highest prevalence of obesity (29.4%) followed by the Midwest (28.7%), Northeast (24.9%) and the West (24.1%).

This is a public health issue that demands some degree of public solution.


Hate to break it to you, hon, but I'm an adult and as such, I'm perfectly capable of deciding for myself what I want to die of. You can make a marginal case for government regulation of what children can eat and drink (check that town in Kentucky, or was it Tennessee, that's banned cucumbers and bananas because they're obscene) but, if at the age of 65, I haven't figured it out, the government certainly isn't going to do it for me.

Here it is, from the almost reliable news source :lol2: http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/03/07/ ... tennessee/

The point is, this notion of banning foods, for whatever reason, is absurd. Although, if they carry it too far, I see a business opportunity looming -
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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Thu May 31, 2012 3:47 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
So, rather than pushing a solution that promotes physical activity, they're going to ban one way to uptake calories.

Cool story.

You can exercise all you want. If you still eat like shit, you're going to remain overweight.


Alright, well I think what you eat is unhealthy. I don't care if you think it tastes good and it's your choice to consume it. I'm banning your ability to eat it altogether /or/ I'm banning your ability to consume how much of it in locations you'd probably frequent. Don't like it? Too bad, I'm deciding what I think is good for you.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Thu May 31, 2012 3:48 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
So, rather than pushing a solution that promotes physical activity, they're going to ban one way to uptake calories.

Cool story.

You can exercise all you want. If you still eat like shit, you're going to remain overweight.


If I eat less shit calories than I burn, then no, no I won't. That's the name of the game.

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Postby Dermastina » Thu May 31, 2012 3:49 pm

As a point, 16 ounces is 454 grams, close to half a kilogram in pure suger. The fact that you're complaining about not being able to down half a kilogram of sugar in one go is very worrying. :roll:

Adult RDA for suger, by the way, is 90 grams, meaning you can't buy things over 500% of that in situations where you'd likely drink it all by yourself. The lengths people complain when someone stops them from slowly killing themselves is utterly rediculous...
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Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 31, 2012 3:49 pm

Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:You can exercise all you want. If you still eat like shit, you're going to remain overweight.


Alright, well I think what you eat is unhealthy. I don't care if you think it tastes good and it's your choice to consume it. I'm banning your ability to eat it altogether /or/ I'm banning your ability to consume how much of it in locations you'd probably frequent. Don't like it? Too bad, I'm deciding what I think is good for you.

You want to restrict my access to apples and low-salt popcorn?
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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Thu May 31, 2012 3:50 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:
Alright, well I think what you eat is unhealthy. I don't care if you think it tastes good and it's your choice to consume it. I'm banning your ability to eat it altogether /or/ I'm banning your ability to consume how much of it in locations you'd probably frequent. Don't like it? Too bad, I'm deciding what I think is good for you.

So, you want to restrict my access to apples and low-salt popcorn?


If I think it's unhealthy, yes.
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Postby Coppingham » Thu May 31, 2012 3:51 pm

Stupid Bloomberg. Some protester should fill some giant popcorn buckets with soda and guzzle them down right in City hall

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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Thu May 31, 2012 3:51 pm

Dermastina wrote:As a point, 16 ounces is 454 grams, close to half a kilogram in pure suger. The fact that you're complaining about not being able to down half a kilogram of sugar in one go is very worrying. :roll:

Adult RDA for suger, by the way, is 90 grams, meaning you can't buy things over 500% of that in situations where you'd likely drink it all by yourself. The lengths people complain when someone stops them from slowly killing themselves is utterly rediculous...


Uh, no, no it's not. Sauce that shit, plox.

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Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 31, 2012 3:51 pm

Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:So, you want to restrict my access to apples and low-salt popcorn?


If I think it's unhealthy, yes.

Then I would say that you are delusional if you think that those are as unhealthy as 32-ounces of Mountain Dew.
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Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 31, 2012 3:52 pm

Coppingham wrote:Stupid Bloomberg. Some protester should fill some giant popcorn buckets with soda and guzzle them down right in City hall

They can still do that. They just couldn't take that bucket of soda and sell it in a movie theater, restaurant, or convenience store.
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Postby Alyekra » Thu May 31, 2012 3:56 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Coppingham wrote:Stupid Bloomberg. Some protester should fill some giant popcorn buckets with soda and guzzle them down right in City hall

They can still do that. They just couldn't take that bucket of soda and sell it in a movie theater, restaurant, or convenience store.


It's the principal of the thing.
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Postby Wamitoria » Thu May 31, 2012 3:59 pm

Alyekra wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:They can still do that. They just couldn't take that bucket of soda and sell it in a movie theater, restaurant, or convenience store.


It's the principal of the thing.

FFS, if you're so pissed, buy two 16-ounce drinks.
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Postby Imsogone » Thu May 31, 2012 4:01 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:
Alright, well I think what you eat is unhealthy. I don't care if you think it tastes good and it's your choice to consume it. I'm banning your ability to eat it altogether /or/ I'm banning your ability to consume how much of it in locations you'd probably frequent. Don't like it? Too bad, I'm deciding what I think is good for you.

You want to restrict my access to apples and low-salt popcorn?


Popcorn and apples are dangerous! I broke a tooth on popcorn and ended up with a rootcanal! and I nearly choked on an apple. They need to be banned. :evil:
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Postby Trollgaard » Thu May 31, 2012 4:04 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Alyekra wrote:
It's the principal of the thing.

FFS, if you're so pissed, buy two 16-ounce drinks.


32 ounce is cheaper than two 16 ounce drinks. Plus, 32 ounce drinks are 69 cents at Quick Trip right now...so...yeah. Sucks to live in New York.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu May 31, 2012 4:06 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
So, rather than pushing a solution that promotes physical activity, they're going to ban one way to uptake calories.

Cool story.

You can exercise all you want. If you still eat like shit, you're going to remain overweight.

I dunno man, go run 10 miles a day and see if you can still be fat.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu May 31, 2012 4:07 pm

Alyekra wrote:And why aren't people suggesting using the obesity rates as a form of preventing "overpopulation"?

Because most people reproduce before they get too old and fat to die.
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Postby Alyekra » Thu May 31, 2012 4:08 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:FFS, if you're so pissed, buy two 16-ounce drinks.


32 ounce is cheaper than two 16 ounce drinks. Plus, 32 ounce drinks are 69 cents at Quick Trip right now...so...yeah. Sucks to live in New York.


*City.

I take (Extremely minor) offense at people who say "New York" when they mean "New york City" as I live in central New York.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu May 31, 2012 4:08 pm

Dermastina wrote:As a point, 16 ounces is 454 grams, close to half a kilogram in pure suger. The fact that you're complaining about not being able to down half a kilogram of sugar in one go is very worrying. :roll:

Adult RDA for suger, by the way, is 90 grams, meaning you can't buy things over 500% of that in situations where you'd likely drink it all by yourself. The lengths people complain when someone stops them from slowly killing themselves is utterly rediculous...

Ounces in this case isn't a measure of weight, and pop is mostly water.
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