Why does America hate Socialism?

[Forsher]

Fear. Only fear lasts eternal.

This

Hurrah! I was quoted. Yootwopia, do I not feel pride for this? Yet it was not I who did it.

[Warriors United]

This

Hurrah! I was quoted. Yootwopia, do I not feel pride for this? Yet it was not I who did it.

When you think about it...fear is eternal and it drives just about every decision in life.

[South Benson]

People often tout the "superiority of capitalism," yet a good damn deal of modern technology derives from technology invented by the National Socialists and Soviets, with American government funded projects like NASA kicking in their own major advancements. None of these are free market paradises (and any decent man should detest Soviet, and especially Nazi crimes), but the point is they produced advancements to varying degrees such as:
Rockets (Nazi Germans)
First Man in Space (Soviets)
Microsoft (NSA/Gov spending)

So I think practically the free market theory is discredited. Its just wrong on so many levels, even anthropologically, we are meant to work together in groups to ensure our survival, now while there is nothing wrong with a little competition within a society, it is very unhealthy for competition for, well, everything, to be the main driver of a society, which ultra capitalism and crony capitalism does to us. I am sorry, but government, for all its faults, has produced many great advancements in our materiel existence and understanding of our universe.

(EDIT: Now dont forget about ole' operation Paperclip here as well in establishing American technology )

So what makes socialism better?

Nothing, both capitalism and socialism are complete pieces of economic shit perpetrated by people desperately wanting the 20th century back. I am saying both capitalism and socialism are terrible, and need to be replaced with something modern that reflects both needs and values, while still actually being able to work.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

North Korea is communist

No, it's not.

Big government in control of everything

Is neither communism nor socialism.

people have few to no rights

Is neither communism nor socialism.

[Warriors United]

North Korea is communist

No, it's not.

Big government in control of everything

Is neither communism nor socialism.

people have few to no rights

Is neither communism nor socialism.

Well aren't you an expert.

[Svobodu]

North Korea is communist

No, it's not.

Big government in control of everything

Is neither communism nor socialism.

people have few to no rights

Is neither communism nor socialism.

Explain all your statements.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Communism is the absence of class hierarchy; socialism is the collective (not state, but collective or social) ownership of the means of production.

"Big government" is a pretty major class hierarchy between the governors and the governed, and I shouldn't even need to point out the obvious class hierarchy in North Korea.

[Osiena]

We don't hate socialism, it hates us.

[Prizyetsa]

Probably the lack of education since most educated people in the states, that I know, support "leftist"ideals like general healthcare, nationalized currency, etc.

[Atalem]

Well, I don't know what to say to any of this, but I know one thing:

We're human, just like the rest of you, which means we're incredibly prone to paranoia.

[Causa]

Capitalism trims off the fat from innovation. In this case, internet trimmed off the fat. Your argument would say internet was a bad thing (like Walmart) because it cost travel agents their jobs. However, how many jobs and how much wealth has been created using the internet? Billions of dollars, I would say. Whereas travel agencies didn't really account for that much wealth and jobs, even when they were needed by consumers.

I'm not so sure about that. Big buisiness tends to make decisions on a profit basis, and if a new technology threatens some corporation's buisiness model they tend to try stomping it out, if at all possible, before putting in the effort to redesign their buisiness model. Viacom, GoDaddy and Time Warner all at one point supported SOPA, a bill to impose China-style DNS filtering on American citizens in the name of "anti-piracy". Very ironic considering that GoDaddy is a domain name registrar; SOPA would have allowed them to put other registrars out of buisiness. [ Ref https://rt.com/usa/news/support-sopa-daddy-web-037/ ]

I think what you mean is that a free market gives individuals the freedom to innovate and share their ideas and products with the world in hopes that such a product will prove ultimately beneficial to some other individual. And when some new technology presents itself which makes the current product obsolete, it is up to the individual to adapt the product and utilize this new technology to make it more beneficial, and thus more profitable.
However many of the big corporations take innovations made by any given individual and "morph" them, if you will, not to adapt the innovation in hopes that it will benefit some individual explicitly but merely to fit certain interests that ultimately make them more profitable. Of course that's not necessarily a bad thing, however that dictum carries some unintended side-effects with it, such as the affinity of large corporations to throw their weight around a bit if they can get away with it.

As for the socialist v.s. capitalist debate, keeping with the general trend of the conversation, I'm not sure there will ever be an "ideal" realization of any economic system, mainly because the ideal system seems to assume that everyone has an identical image of what the ideal system is.
Why does America hate socialism outright? I'm not sure that "America" does hate socialism; more a trend of one sectionalist group with conflicting ideals about how society should be run. If anti-socialist type propaganda is being absorbed in some region then it probably results from the sectionalist group's influence in that region, not the overarching opinions of every member of American society. That opinion could also result from poor education on the subject (as Prizyetsa noted) or misinformation; again a regional influence.

[The USOT]

So what makes socialism better?

Nothing, both capitalism and socialism are complete pieces of economic shit perpetrated by people desperately wanting the 20th century back. I am saying both capitalism and socialism are terrible, and need to be replaced with something modern that reflects both needs and values, while still actually being able to work.

Such as?

[Svobodu]

Communism is the absence of class hierarchy; socialism is the collective (not state, but collective or social) ownership of the means of production.

"Big government" is a pretty major class hierarchy between the governors and the governed, and I shouldn't even need to point out the obvious class hierarchy in North Korea.

Has there even been a communist nation, then?
Is Socialism even possible if anyone can take anything because there is no authority for property?

Yes, North Korea has class hierarchy, but so has every other country that tried to embrace communism to my knowledge. Goes back to 1st question. Is communism even possible?

[South Benson]

Nothing, both capitalism and socialism are complete pieces of economic shit perpetrated by people desperately wanting the 20th century back. I am saying both capitalism and socialism are terrible, and need to be replaced with something modern that reflects both needs and values, while still actually being able to work.

Such as?

There are all sorts of models, from the standard mixed economy models to borderline (but not exactly) communist models.

[Arbites]

Communism is the absence of class hierarchy; socialism is the collective (not state, but collective or social) ownership of the means of production.

"Big government" is a pretty major class hierarchy between the governors and the governed, and I shouldn't even need to point out the obvious class hierarchy in North Korea.

Has there even been a communist nation, then?
Is Socialism even possible if anyone can take anything because there is no authority for property?

Yes, North Korea has class hierarchy, but so has every other country that tried to embrace communism to my knowledge. Goes back to 1st question. Is communism even possible?

You seem to have answered your own question.

No, no country has been able to implement what I refer to as "theoretical communism" on a large scale. Even what might have started out as good-faith efforts have ended up looking like the Soviet Union or China.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Communism is the absence of class hierarchy; socialism is the collective (not state, but collective or social) ownership of the means of production.

"Big government" is a pretty major class hierarchy between the governors and the governed, and I shouldn't even need to point out the obvious class hierarchy in North Korea.

Has there even been a communist nation, then?
Is Socialism even possible if anyone can take anything because there is no authority for property?

Yes, North Korea has class hierarchy, but so has every other country that tried to embrace communism to my knowledge. Goes back to 1st question. Is communism even possible?

The problem there isn't with communism, it's with a particular theoretical model of how communism is achieved--and if it's flawed, that only invalidates that particular theoretical model.

[Zaras]

Have you ever actually been unemployed?

I've been unemployed, and you know how I got employed? I worked hard to fill out applications, and worked even harder to keep the job and make a living for myself. No one is entitled to a piece of my pie that I made, or the piece of some one else's pie, and taking a piece without my or the other persons consent is theft, plain and simple.

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Pyravar. But congratulations on believing that you made that piece of pie yourself, I mean it's not like public school, public transportation, law enforcement or any other government service had anything to do with it.

[Chestaan]

Communism is the absence of class hierarchy; socialism is the collective (not state, but collective or social) ownership of the means of production.

"Big government" is a pretty major class hierarchy between the governors and the governed, and I shouldn't even need to point out the obvious class hierarchy in North Korea.

Has there even been a communist nation, then?
Is Socialism even possible if anyone can take anything because there is no authority for property?

Yes, North Korea has class hierarchy, but so has every other country that tried to embrace communism to my knowledge. Goes back to 1st question. Is communism even possible?

Like several of us have said previously, Anarchist Catalonia and The Free Territory in Ukraine are examples of true communist societies.

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

I've been unemployed, and you know how I got employed? I worked hard to fill out applications, and worked even harder to keep the job and make a living for myself. No one is entitled to a piece of my pie that I made, or the piece of some one else's pie, and taking a piece without my or the other persons consent is theft, plain and simple.

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Pyravar. But congratulations on believing that you made that piece of pie yourself, I mean it's not like public school, public transportation, law enforcement or any other government service had anything to do with it.

I was backing him up because he made a excellent point and I also feel that the way you attacked him was very unfair
I drive my own car, and I have learned way more outside of public school than inside of it. In fact public school has greatly hindered my education. The only thing that government services have done for me lately are tax me and make it harder for me to save up.