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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:52 pm

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Person012345 wrote:What caused God?

God was originally a man, living in some other Universe. Then, he died and got exalted into godhood. Now he's God, or our god at least.


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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:53 pm

Nordengrund wrote:God created us because he loves us and enjoys creating things, the Big Bang seems to have happened for no reason unless God caused it.


What if God created us for no reason?

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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:53 pm

Y'all have treated me badly, but as a Christian, I will not seek vengeance, instead I shall turn the other cheek and pray for both of you.
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Postby Magmia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:53 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Magmia wrote:An argument used is that God created time, and time only applies to the universe (his creation). Therefore, God is not bound to the limitations of time, so he requires no cause of his existence.


And why can't that happen with the universe itself, eliminating the middle being? Why does there have to be a God?

A question someone has yet to answer.

Until an reasonable explanation from science exists, to many, a Designer is a reasonable explanation

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:53 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Y'all have treated me badly, but as a Christian, I will not seek vengeance, instead I shall turn the other cheek and pray for both of you.


You truly need to make up your mind.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:54 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Y'all have treated me badly, but as a Christian, I will not seek vengeance, instead I shall turn the other cheek and pray for both of you.


Praying for us is seeking vengeance.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:54 pm

Magmia wrote:Until an reasonable explanation from science exists, to many, a Designer is a reasonable explanation


That doesn't answer my question. Why?

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Postby Silent Majority » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:54 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Y'all have treated me badly, but as a Christian, I will not seek vengeance, instead I shall turn the other cheek and pray for both of you.


I'm honestly starting to think you might be a parody account
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:54 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Y'all have treated me badly, but as a Christian, I will not seek vengeance, instead I shall turn the other cheek and pray for both of you.

Challenging your beliefs =/= treating you badly. It's funny that you resort you such silly comments when you run out of arguments.

Tell me, why are you a christian, what convinced you that god was real?

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:54 pm

Alikhaa wrote:
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That's not Global flooding.


It could certainly seem like it, and it could have contributed to it. It's foolish to pretend we've got the entire history of the earth figured out. That's a very, very, very long time.

There wasn't enough water locked up in the Ice to flood the entire world to a depth that would wipe out as much life as Genesis claims. There was enough to raise sea levels substantially in coastal areas. Coasts are good places to live, you have resources in the water, resources on the shore. Then the Ice melts and over time your very lovely place to live is flooded. "Tell us the story about the flood again, grand-dad." "Well, back in my grand-dad's grand-dad's day, we use to live in a lovely garden, with food all around ... And then the gods were angry with the people and sent the waters to wipe us out ..."
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:55 pm

Magmia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
And why can't that happen with the universe itself, eliminating the middle being? Why does there have to be a God?

A question someone has yet to answer.

Until an reasonable explanation from science exists, to many, a Designer is a reasonable explanation


We have dozens of reasonable explanations, and more will surface.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:56 pm

Nordengrund wrote:Y'all have treated me badly, but as a Christian, I will not seek vengeance, instead I shall turn the other cheek and pray for both of you.

Honey, y'all will know when we've treated you badly, we'll be banned and your head will be swimming. Trust me, the History Channel is not a reliable source for much of anything. Try your local library.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:56 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Magmia wrote:Until an reasonable explanation from science exists, to many, a Designer is a reasonable explanation


We have dozens of reasonable explanations, and more will surface.

And none involve a "designer."
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:58 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
We have dozens of reasonable explanations, and more will surface.

And none involve a "designer."


I don't know, maybe we could hire Pierre Cardin or someone like that.

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Postby Magmia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:58 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Magmia wrote:Until an reasonable explanation from science exists, to many, a Designer is a reasonable explanation


That doesn't answer my question. Why?

Why? Because to some, there is no other explanation as to why the Big Bang occured, or the complexity of the Big Bang itself.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:59 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And none involve a "designer."


I don't know, maybe we could hire Pierre Cardin or someone like that.

I'd prefer a team from Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Edinburgh, a few other places like that.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:59 pm

Magmia wrote:Why? Because to some, there is no other explanation as to why the Big Bang occured, or the complexity of the Big Bang itself.


Why can't there be? This is what everyone fails to answer.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:00 pm

Magmia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
That doesn't answer my question. Why?

Why? Because to some, there is no other explanation as to why the Big Bang occured, or the complexity of the Big Bang itself.


Then they're intellectually lazy and obviously let their bias block their ability to use critical thinking skills. If they refuse to read about scientific explanations, and then scream, "SEE! SCIENCE CAN'T ANSWER IT!" then that's their choice to be ignorant.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
I don't know, maybe we could hire Pierre Cardin or someone like that.

I'd prefer a team from Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Edinburgh, a few other places like that.


You forgot MIT. I am disappoint.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
I don't know, maybe we could hire Pierre Cardin or someone like that.

I'd prefer a team from Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Edinburgh, a few other places like that.


Too boring. Fashion sense! :lol:

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Postby Magmia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:01 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Magmia wrote:Why? Because to some, there is no other explanation as to why the Big Bang occured, or the complexity of the Big Bang itself.


Why can't there be? This is what everyone fails to answer.

Because to many, that simply does not make any sense, that the Big Bang just randomly happened with no explanation.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:02 pm

Magmia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Why can't there be? This is what everyone fails to answer.

Because to many, that simply does not make any sense, that the creation of the universe just randomly happen with no explanation.


So they're closed-minded.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:02 pm

Magmia wrote:Because to many, that simply does not make any sense, that the creation of the universe just randomly happen with no explanation.


Why does there have to be a sense?

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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:03 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Magmia wrote:Why? Because to some, there is no other explanation as to why the Big Bang occured, or the complexity of the Big Bang itself.


Why can't there be? This is what everyone fails to answer.

Who said there ever even was a big bang in the first place? It's just some crap you read out of a textbook as a third grader and you sucked it in. If it read in that textbook that a massive tidal wave caused by raining pandas had been "nearly proven" by scientists, you'd have accepted it just as well. CERN made "big bang-sized" reactions in searching for the Higgs. They certainly don't have another few universes lying around.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:03 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Magmia wrote:Because to many, that simply does not make any sense, that the creation of the universe just randomly happen with no explanation.


So they're closed-minded.


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