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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:04 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:Who said there ever even was a big bang in the first place? It's just some crap you read out of a textbook in third grader and you sucked it in. If it read in that textbook that a massive tidal wave caused by raining pandas had been "nearly proven" by scientists, you'd have accepted it just as well.


Obviously, I haven't accepted the Bible or the Qu'ran, and I could have read them too. Why do you?

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Postby Magmia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:05 pm

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Magmia wrote:Because to many, that simply does not make any sense, that the creation of the universe just randomly happen with no explanation.


Why does there have to be a sense?

Because; does it really seem reasonable to believe that such a complex event occured simply be accident? If I were to believe in such a thing for the sake that belief in a God is unreasonable, then the alternative must make sense.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:06 pm

Magmia wrote:Because; does it really seem reasonable to believe that such a complex event occured simply be accident?


Yes.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:06 pm

Magmia wrote:Because; does it really seem reasonable to believe that such a complex event occured simply be accident? If I were to believe in such a thing for the sake that belief in a God is unreasonable, then the alternative must make sense.


Science doesn't pander to your refusal to accept facts. It doesn't care what makes sense to you.
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:06 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:Who said there ever even was a big bang in the first place? It's just some crap you read out of a textbook as a third grader and you sucked it in. If it read in that textbook that a massive tidal wave caused by raining pandas had been "nearly proven" by scientists, you'd have accepted it just as well. CERN made "big bang-sized" reactions in searching for the Higgs. They certainly don't have another few universes lying around.

This is so factually wrong it's not funny. Are you aware of the universal redshift?

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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:07 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
The New World Oceania wrote:Who said there ever even was a big bang in the first place? It's just some crap you read out of a textbook in third grader and you sucked it in. If it read in that textbook that a massive tidal wave caused by raining pandas had been "nearly proven" by scientists, you'd have accepted it just as well.


Obviously, I haven't accepted the Bible or the Qu'ran, and I could have read them too. Why do you?

I accept the Bible as much as I accept a distorted book translated from German by a student learning Norwegian, and I don't intend to silence the non-believers in the name of Allah, either.
Why do you believe in Atheism and said big bang?
Because the idea of God is preposterous.
The idea of no God is preposterous, and the idea of the mainstream-Christian God is even further preposterous.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:08 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:I accept the Bible as much as I accept a distorted book translated from German by a student learning Norwegian, and I don't intend to silence the non-believers in the name of Allah, either.
Why do you believe in Atheism and said big bang?
Because the idea of God is preposterous.
The idea of no God is preposterous, and the idea of the mainstream-Christian God is even further preposterous.


Oh gods, you don't know the meaning of atheism.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:08 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:I'd prefer a team from Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Edinburgh, a few other places like that.


You forgot MIT. I am disappoint.

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Postby Osterasia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:08 pm

You need to be careful around here. While some people believe there is a god, I think it's unlikely as it was something people required to believe in the explain things. These days we are generally more rational than we were (.e.g. No floggings/execution for adultery).

I'm technically a Catholic, but honestly I'm agnostic. We don't need a god, but neither do we need many things, so we can't really rule it out. That's why I hate some atheists who just say: There is no god end of. They can't tell, neither can the religious.

Do what Clement Attle did - live to a set of morals, but not to a set of stories.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:08 pm

Magmia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Why does there have to be a sense?

Because; does it really seem reasonable to believe that such a complex event occured simply be accident? If I were to believe in such a thing for the sake that belief in a God is unreasonable, then the alternative must make sense.

seems unreasonable =/= is untrue. It's an argument from incredulity. And a god is infinitely more complex that the universe.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:09 pm

Person012345 wrote:
The New World Oceania wrote:Who said there ever even was a big bang in the first place? It's just some crap you read out of a textbook as a third grader and you sucked it in. If it read in that textbook that a massive tidal wave caused by raining pandas had been "nearly proven" by scientists, you'd have accepted it just as well. CERN made "big bang-sized" reactions in searching for the Higgs. They certainly don't have another few universes lying around.

This is so factually wrong it's not funny. Are you aware of the universal redshift?

If by this you refer to expansion of the Universe, wave-particle duality is your answer. I shift a particle, it sends off some eternal waves, and the universe expands.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:09 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:I accept the Bible as much as I accept a distorted book translated from German by a student learning Norwegian, and I don't intend to silence the non-believers in the name of Allah, either.
Why do you believe in Atheism and said big bang?
Because the idea of God is preposterous.
The idea of no God is preposterous, and the idea of the mainstream-Christian God is even further preposterous.


I don't believe in atheism. Atheism isn't a religion. Also, there apparently is evidence.

The New World Oceania wrote:The idea of no God is preposterous, and the idea of the mainstream-Christian God is even further preposterous.


Why is no God preposterous?

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:09 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Obviously, I haven't accepted the Bible or the Qu'ran, and I could have read them too. Why do you?

I accept the Bible as much as I accept a distorted book translated from German by a student learning Norwegian, and I don't intend to silence the non-believers in the name of Allah, either.
Why do you believe in Atheism and said big bang?
Because the idea of God is preposterous.
The idea of no God is preposterous, and the idea of the mainstream-Christian God is even further preposterous.

"Why do you believe in atheism" is a malformed question. The question is "why do you not believe in a god". To which the answer is "there's not evidence", not that it's preposterous.

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Postby Magmia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:09 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Magmia wrote:Because; does it really seem reasonable to believe that such a complex event occured simply be accident?


Yes.

And that right there is the problem, and why Theists and Non-Theists will always be divided.

To us, such thinking is a contradiction to reason, and Non-Theists find it perfectly acceptable.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:10 pm

Person012345 wrote:
The New World Oceania wrote:Who said there ever even was a big bang in the first place? It's just some crap you read out of a textbook as a third grader and you sucked it in. If it read in that textbook that a massive tidal wave caused by raining pandas had been "nearly proven" by scientists, you'd have accepted it just as well. CERN made "big bang-sized" reactions in searching for the Higgs. They certainly don't have another few universes lying around.

This is so factually wrong it's not funny. Are you aware of the universal redshift?

Apparently not, nor aware of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation or whatever it's called.
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:10 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
Person012345 wrote:This is so factually wrong it's not funny. Are you aware of the universal redshift?

If by this you refer to expansion of the Universe, wave-particle duality is your answer. I shift a particle, it sends off some eternal waves, and the universe expands.

That doesn't make sense. I strongly recommend you don't attempt to argue quite complicated science if you don't know what you're talking about.

Do you understand how the doppler effect works?

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:10 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:If by this you refer to expansion of the Universe, wave-particle duality is your answer. I shift a particle, it sends off some eternal waves, and the universe expands.


You do realize that has nothing to do with the expansion of the universe, right?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:11 pm

Magmia wrote:And that right there is the problem, and why Theists and Non-Theists will always be divided.

To us, such thinking is a contradiction to reason, and Non-Theists find it perfectly acceptable.


You're explaining to me something I already know. You're not answering the questions I pose.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:11 pm

Magmia wrote:And that right there is the problem, and why Theists and Non-Theists will always be divided.

To us, such thinking is a contradiction to reason, and Non-Theists find it perfectly acceptable.


There is no reason in religion.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:11 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Person012345 wrote:This is so factually wrong it's not funny. Are you aware of the universal redshift?

Apparently not, nor aware of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation or whatever it's called.

This too.

Oceania, it would perhaps benefit you to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:12 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Apparently not, nor aware of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation or whatever it's called.

This too.

Oceania, it would perhaps benefit you to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo


Thank you for posting this, I grew tired of doing it myself. I put you officially in charge of providing that video. *nods*
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Person012345 wrote:This too.

Oceania, it would perhaps benefit you to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo


Thank you for posting this, I grew tired of doing it myself. I put you officially in charge of providing that video. *nods*

I shall do my duty.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:13 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Obviously, I haven't accepted the Bible or the Qu'ran, and I could have read them too. Why do you?

I accept the Bible as much as I accept a distorted book translated from German by a student learning Norwegian, and I don't intend to silence the non-believers in the name of Allah, either.
Why do you believe in Atheism and said big bang?
Because the idea of God is preposterous.
The idea of no God is preposterous, and the idea of the mainstream-Christian God is even further preposterous.

The big bang is pure observation.

1: Every observable object in the universe is moving
2: Every observable object in the universe is moving away from a central area
3: The laws of physics appear to have stayed the same for the amount of time it would take for all of those moving objects to have gotten to where they are from that central area.
4: Therefore, every observable object in the universe was once in that central area, and then expanded outwards.
That's the big bang in a nutshell.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:14 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:I don't believe in atheism. Atheism isn't a religion. Also, there apparently is evidence.
Why is no God preposterous?

Your opinion on Atheism is not shared by all, there is also evidence against the big bang, and the lack of God holds preposterous because of the proof of God, rather than the... Double-plus unproof.


Tlaceceyaya wrote:1: Every observable object in the universe is moving
2: Every observable object in the universe is moving away from a central area
3: The laws of physics appear to have stayed the same for the amount of time it would take for all of those moving objects to have gotten to where they are from that central area.
4: Therefore, every observable object in the universe was once in that central area, and then expanded outwards.
That's the big bang in a nutshell.

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Postby Alikhaa » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:15 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Alikhaa wrote:
It could certainly seem like it, and it could have contributed to it. It's foolish to pretend we've got the entire history of the earth figured out. That's a very, very, very long time.


It's foolish to say that because we don't know every detail, therefore global flooding definitely happened. Step down from your high horse pretending like things happened just because you say they did.


That's hardly what I said. I said that there are many reasons that it could have happened. Relax a little.
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