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What do my fellow Americans think about same-sex marriage?

I am American and I am against same sex marriage and civil unions.
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I am American and I am against same sex marriage but support civil unions
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I am American and I am in favor of same sex marriage
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Total votes : 209

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:32 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Why is there no poll option for non-Americans? :(


There are countries other than America?


America is a country?
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Postby Wazkyraque » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:32 pm

Acuastria wrote:Personally I think that marriage should be between one man and one woman and that homosexuality is unnatural.

A. There's nothing the slightest bit wrong with gay marriage, or gay parenting while we are on the subject of gays and their ability to share a bond of love between eachother.
B. I think you're wrong; you are, respectively; Being that homosexuality [at least between males] is unquestionably and scientifically proven to happen a birth at least 70 percent of the time.
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Postby Foguk » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:33 pm

In the name of freedom and liberty, something you Americans seem to love OH SO MUCH, I support them.
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Postby North California » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:33 pm

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North California wrote:Personally, I think the Federal Government is in no authority to define marriage. And, if the states voted, then at least it would be legal in some states, rather than banned throughout the country.


Neither do the states.


Yes, the states don't have authority either, but I would rather take their word for it than that of the Federal government. But as a I said in my other posts, the government should not even be involved in marriage. What happens in the bedroom is none of the government's business. Repeal all marriage laws.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:33 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
There are countries other than America?


America is a country?

America is the world!

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:34 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:
There are countries other than America?


America is a country?


Point taken. America is both a country and a continent. Country isn't important enough.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:35 pm

North California wrote:Yes, the states don't have authority either, but I would rather take their word for it than that of the Federal government. But as a I said in my other posts, the government should not even be involved in marriage. What happens in the bedroom is none of the government's business. Repeal all marriage laws.


You would rather take their word despite the fact they've proven their incompetence time and time again throughout history? What does marriage have to do with what happens in the bedroom? Gay people can have sex all they want.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:35 pm

Laissez-Faire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
There are countries other than America?

None that matter.


Then why write down in the poll that one is an American? Seems quite redundant then :D
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Postby The Cummunist State » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:35 pm

Another thing I want to point out, Homosexuality and bisexuality are extremely natural. Not only does it happen between other animals all the time, but it happens with the most important animals at this issue, humans. Humans are part of nature, we are nature. Therefore, whatever we do is natural.
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Postby Wisconsin7 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:36 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
North California wrote:

The government doesn't "give" citizens their rights.


Yes they do. Without the government, there's no one to say you have rights and protect them.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I think marrying who you love is pursuing happiness; therefore the U.S. or state governments have absolutely no right to regulate marriage, including homosexual.
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Postby North California » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:36 pm

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North California wrote:

The government doesn't "give" citizens their rights. The government should have no say in marriage. Repeal all marriage laws, and let people make marriage decisions for themselves.

And yet gays don't have the right to marriage?



Didn't you read my comment? Let people make marriage decisions for themselves. The only way a gay should not get married is if he doesn't want to. Also, just to appease both sides, just call gay marriage something other than marriage, but treat it the same as marriage. That will also stop this dumb argument. But, the first option of repealing all marriage laws is better.
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Postby Seperates » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:37 pm

North California wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Neither do the states.


Yes, the states don't have authority either, but I would rather take their word for it than that of the Federal government. But as a I said in my other posts, the government should not even be involved in marriage. What happens in the bedroom is none of the government's business. Repeal all marriage laws.

See, I don't get this. You are in favor of local injustice instead of NATIONAL liberty. States have proven time and again that they forget that the whole purpose of a republican form of government is "majority rule WITH MINORITY RIGHTS."

Small government is no less corrupt than big government. Big government is just easier to catch.
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Postby Seperates » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:38 pm

Wisconsin7 wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Yes they do. Without the government, there's no one to say you have rights and protect them.

Declaration of Independence wrote:When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I think marrying who you love is pursuing happiness; therefore the U.S. or state governments have absolutely no right to regulate marriage, including homosexual.

I don't know... I'm fairly certain that the insurance benifits and medical policies make it benificial to be married.
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Postby North California » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:38 pm

Wisconsin7 wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Yes they do. Without the government, there's no one to say you have rights and protect them.


No, you have yourself to protect your rights. People don't need the government to decide what is best for them, and people should decide for themselves. Without government, people would be in charge of their own destinies.
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:39 pm

North California wrote:Didn't you read my comment? Let people make marriage decisions for themselves. The only way a gay should not get married is if he doesn't want to. Also, just to appease both sides, just call gay marriage something other than marriage, but treat it the same as marriage. That will also stop this dumb argument. But, the first option of repealing all marriage laws is better.


Just as I see no compelling reason to allow the religious definition of marriage impact the civic definition, I also see no reason to revoke the contract's existence. I offer an alternative: offer no one a civil contract named "marriage", but instead all people who wish to enter into the civic contract must make do with calling it a civil union. Establishing two identical contracts with different names determined solely by the nature of the entrants is ludicrous.
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Postby Serrland » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:39 pm

North California wrote:
Wisconsin7 wrote:


No, you have yourself to protect your rights. People don't need the government to decide what is best for them, and people should decide for themselves. Without government, people would be in charge of their own destinies.


In a life that is, per Hobbes, nasty, brutish, and short. You control your own destiny, but life is hardly worth living in the state of nature.

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Postby Wisconsin7 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:40 pm

North California wrote:
Seperates wrote:And yet gays don't have the right to marriage?



Didn't you read my comment? Let people make marriage decisions for themselves. The only way a gay should not get married is if he doesn't want to. Also, just to appease both sides, just call gay marriage something other than marriage, but treat it the same as marriage. That will also stop this dumb argument. But, the first option of repealing all marriage laws is better.

Reminds me of the "separate but equal" verdict given by the Supreme Court regarding blacks a long time ago that absolutely everybody agreed to, which of course is why the "colored" waiting rooms, water fountains, bathrooms, train cars, schools, etc. were exactly as good as the ones the whites got to use, which is somewhat confusing since they claimed the opposite in the '60s. But hey, they just had to use the "equal" amenities, so what would they know?
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Postby North California » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:40 pm

Seperates wrote:
North California wrote:
Yes, the states don't have authority either, but I would rather take their word for it than that of the Federal government. But as a I said in my other posts, the government should not even be involved in marriage. What happens in the bedroom is none of the government's business. Repeal all marriage laws.

See, I don't get this. You are in favor of local injustice instead of NATIONAL liberty. States have proven time and again that they forget that the whole purpose of a republican form of government is "majority rule WITH MINORITY RIGHTS."

Small government is no less corrupt than big government. Big government is just easier to catch.


If we had no laws that defined what is marriage in the first place, none of this would happen. Honestly, who the fuck gave the government the authority to decide what constitutes as marriage?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:41 pm

Seperates wrote:
North California wrote:
Yes, the states don't have authority either, but I would rather take their word for it than that of the Federal government. But as a I said in my other posts, the government should not even be involved in marriage. What happens in the bedroom is none of the government's business. Repeal all marriage laws.

See, I don't get this. You are in favor of local injustice instead of NATIONAL liberty. States have proven time and again that they forget that the whole purpose of a republican form of government is "majority rule WITH MINORITY RIGHTS."

Small government is no less corrupt than big government. Big government is just easier to catch.

So I have your support for World Government? :D

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Postby Seperates » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:41 pm

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North California wrote:
No, you have yourself to protect your rights. People don't need the government to decide what is best for them, and people should decide for themselves. Without government, people would be in charge of their own destinies.


In a life that is, per Hobbes, nasty, brutish, and short. You control your own destiny, but life is hardly worth living in the state of nature.

This. This completely.
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:41 pm

My fellow Americans, we cannot allow these couples to same-sexificate. We must not allow them to marriageify. Therefore, I am putting same-sex marriage on a axis of evil along with abortion and pants.
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Postby Seperates » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:42 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Seperates wrote:See, I don't get this. You are in favor of local injustice instead of NATIONAL liberty. States have proven time and again that they forget that the whole purpose of a republican form of government is "majority rule WITH MINORITY RIGHTS."

Small government is no less corrupt than big government. Big government is just easier to catch.

So I have your support for World Government? :D

Fuck yeah. But I'll be watching you for corruption like a hawk. ;)
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:42 pm

Acuastria wrote:Personally I think that marriage should be between one man and one woman and that homosexuality is unnatural. But what do you guys and girls think about the issue?


I agree, homosexuality is unnatural, and therefore wrong.

For myself, I only wear clothes that I personally weave (by hand) from the hemp that I grow on my own property. Nothing else is quite as natural.
I eschew the use of automobiles - they aren't natural!
I also forgo the lifestyle choice of other such unnatural things, I don't make use of any plastics, or machines, or machine-created products. I certainly don't use any electronic devices.

Unnatural stuff is the worst!

I don't actually regard homosexuality as unnatural... but I had to "agree" for the sake of the rest of the post.
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Postby The Cummunist State » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:42 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Seperates wrote:See, I don't get this. You are in favor of local injustice instead of NATIONAL liberty. States have proven time and again that they forget that the whole purpose of a republican form of government is "majority rule WITH MINORITY RIGHTS."

Small government is no less corrupt than big government. Big government is just easier to catch.

So I have your support for World Government? :D

World governments with legal gay marriage! Woo!
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Postby The Theban Legion » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:42 pm

Ragnarsdomr wrote:As a North American, I believe that same-sex marriage is good precisely for the fact that it is an abomination - for, if same-sex marriage is an abomination and yet it exists, does this not then open the road to other abominations, such as low-fat cheese which still tastes delicious, and dolphins with lasers implanted in their skulls, or possibly even Mohammedans who aren't ebil terrorisms?


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