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Cromwellia
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Postby Cromwellia » Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:46 am

Unmemorable Reliability wrote:
There is something wrong with your thinking if you get emotional about "causes" or tradition. You're wasting your life.


Hmmm must be interesting being Spock.

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Aenglaland
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Postby Aenglaland » Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:50 am

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The Nisshōki. What else can I say? It represents my country, Japan


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The standard of the Emperor. The Emperor is a symbol of our nation and people, including me


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The flag of Shinjuku, one of the wards of Tokyo, and where I live
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Postby Polinikia » Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:55 am

I can't post a picture, but the flag of Hawai'i means most to me. It represents the past, present and future Kingdom of Hawai'i. May it flag solo again over our islands.

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Unmemorable Reliability
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Postby Unmemorable Reliability » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:03 am

Cromwellia wrote:
Unmemorable Reliability wrote:
There is something wrong with your thinking if you get emotional about "causes" or tradition. You're wasting your life.


Hmmm must be interesting being Spock.


I see the misunderstanding. I didn't express that well.

Of course we all get emotional about causes, nations, principles. But there is something wrong about investing emotion in the symbol. It is misplaced emotion, and saluting the flag serves no purpose but to single out the principled individual who refuses to do so. Who later gets beaten up.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:12 am

Well I don't really put much importance in flags, but mine would be the Puerto Rican, the American, and then the one from the municipality in which I live. In that order.
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Postby The cold ice » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:15 am

The flag of the USA, symbol of lost greatness, forgotten dreams, broken promises and lost hope.

The flag of Palestine symbol of mans eternal hate and wars.

These two are images of human downfall, i wished to include a symbol of hope here, but nothing seemed to fit, the closest thing i think would be the flag of Norway, it's not perfect but the best i can find.
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Postby Hippostania » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:19 am

Urceo-Carthage wrote:For the record, I remember watching the Soviet flag fall in Moscow. I cried for hours and hours. That was probably the worst day of my life.

Oh yes, I can fully understand that. It's sad when you get rid of oppression and tyranny and recieve freedom and democracy. How horrible!
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Postby Urceo-Carthage » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:20 am

Hippostania wrote:
Urceo-Carthage wrote:For the record, I remember watching the Soviet flag fall in Moscow. I cried for hours and hours. That was probably the worst day of my life.

Oh yes, I can fully understand that. It's sad when you get rid of oppression and tyranny and recieve freedom and democracy. How horrible!

Either you're too young to understand, or you're another brainwashed American to hate communism .
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Postby Hippostania » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:22 am

Urceo-Carthage wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Oh yes, I can fully understand that. It's sad when you get rid of oppression and tyranny and recieve freedom and democracy. How horrible!

Either you're too young to understand, or you're another brainwashed American to hate communism .

I think you're the one who's brainwashed. Millions of people were liberated and got freedom and democracy, and you cried for that?
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Postby Carloso » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:24 am

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:25 am

Hippostania wrote:
Urceo-Carthage wrote:Either you're too young to understand, or you're another brainwashed American to hate communism .

I think you're the one who's brainwashed. Millions of people were liberated and got freedom and democracy, and you cried for that?

Russia still isn't that democratic
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Postby Urceo-Carthage » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:26 am

Hippostania wrote:
Urceo-Carthage wrote:Either you're too young to understand, or you're another brainwashed American to hate communism .

I think you're the one who's brainwashed. Millions of people were liberated and got freedom and democracy, and you cried for that?

Put it this way. Imagine being an 8 year old boy who had lived in the USSR his entire life, who loved his country seeing the collapse of the very nation he was born in and came to love. Watching the flag come down, millions of people all over the nation broke down into tears. The government doesn't make the nation or the people.
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Postby Hippostania » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:26 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Hippostania wrote:I think you're the one who's brainwashed. Millions of people were liberated and got freedom and democracy, and you cried for that?

Russia still isn't that democratic

Yup, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union there was actually a chance that it could've become democratic.

Urceo-Carthage wrote:
Hippostania wrote:I think you're the one who's brainwashed. Millions of people were liberated and got freedom and democracy, and you cried for that?

Put it this way. Imagine being an 8 year old boy who had lived in the USSR his entire life, who loved his country seeing the collapse of the very nation he was born in and came to love. Watching the flag come down, millions of people all over the nation broke down into tears. The government doesn't make the nation or the people.

That blood-red banner of tyranny was a symbol of oppression, nothing more. The current tricolor actually represents the Russian people unlike the old flag.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:28 am

#1. The Flag of Finland, my fatherland where I was born.
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#2. Flag of the Soviet Union. Where my mother's side family roots.
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#3. Flag of Denmark. I love Denmark. It's politics, it's people, it's environment.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:29 am

Hippostania wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Russia still isn't that democratic

Yup, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union there was actually a chance that it could've become democratic.

Urceo-Carthage wrote:Put it this way. Imagine being an 8 year old boy who had lived in the USSR his entire life, who loved his country seeing the collapse of the very nation he was born in and came to love. Watching the flag come down, millions of people all over the nation broke down into tears. The government doesn't make the nation or the people.

That blood-red banner of tyranny was a symbol of oppression, nothing more. The current tricolor actually represents the Russian people.

The Russian Empire had just as bad human rights as the USSR, the tricolour(it isn't fucking tricolor) represents nothing of the sort.
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Postby Klowr » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:30 am

Hippostania wrote:
Urceo-Carthage wrote:For the record, I remember watching the Soviet flag fall in Moscow. I cried for hours and hours. That was probably the worst day of my life.

Oh yes, I can fully understand that. It's sad when you get rid of oppression and tyranny and recieve freedom and democracy. How horrible!


Awww I use to like Rarity. But now :S

Seriously, 1970's USSR was a place, where nearly everything was cheap. But anyway, doesn't that kinda disprove your point? He witness it himself, and he cried, since he's Russian himself, I would, probably the saddest moment in history. Yeah and any way, look at the 'freedom' Putin Government gives the Anti-Putin protesters.
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Postby Hippostania » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:30 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Yup, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union there was actually a chance that it could've become democratic.


That blood-red banner of tyranny was a symbol of oppression, nothing more. The current tricolor actually represents the Russian people.

The Russian Empire had just as bad human rights as the USSR, the tricolour(it isn't fucking tricolor) represents nothing of the sort.

It symbolized the Russian nation nevertheless. The blood-red banner represented oppression and tyranny and had nothing to do with the Russians.

Klowr wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Oh yes, I can fully understand that. It's sad when you get rid of oppression and tyranny and recieve freedom and democracy. How horrible!


Awww I use to like Rarity. But now :S

Seriously, 1970's USSR was a place, where nearly everything was cheap. But anyway, doesn't that kinda disprove your point? He witness it himself, and he cried, since he's Russian himself, I would, probably the saddest moment in history. Yeah and any way, look at the 'freedom' Putin Government gives the Anti-Putin protesters.

Everything was cheap, but you couldn't emigrate and there was only one party to vote for. If you disagreed, you were sent to jail. The collapse of the Soviet Union liberated millions of people and was the most positive event of the 20th century.
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Postby Urceo-Carthage » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:30 am

Hippostania wrote:That blood-red banner of tyranny was a symbol of oppression, nothing more. The current tricolor actually represents the Russian people unlike the old flag.

No, it was the symbol of the nation I was born in and still consider myself a part of today. I don't care, you can call it whatever you want, you never lived there and you must be a brainwashed American. The Americans brainwashed their children to hate communism, and still do to this day. Russia doesn't hate Americans. Why can't you just get over it? The USSR's flag represented the people. The hammer and sickle of communism represent the workers of the world.
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Postby Hippostania » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:33 am

Urceo-Carthage wrote:
Hippostania wrote:That blood-red banner of tyranny was a symbol of oppression, nothing more. The current tricolor actually represents the Russian people unlike the old flag.

No, it was the symbol of the nation I was born in and still consider myself a part of today. I don't care, you can call it whatever you want, you never lived there and you must be a brainwashed American. The Americans brainwashed their children to hate communism, and still do to this day. Russia doesn't hate Americans. Why can't you just get over it? The USSR's flag represented the people. The hammer and sickle of communism represent the workers of the world.

I am not brainwashed and I am not American. I'm just saying that it represents a single-party dictatorship and oppression. It's evil, just like the flag of Nazi Germany. The Russian tricolor has been used much longer. And yes, Americans teach their children to adore liberty. Communism is tyranny, so it's only logical that Americans prefer their freedom to the Soviet tyranny.
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Postby Independent Plaizh Avantia » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:33 am

1. The Flag of the United States of America is my top flag, as it is my home country.

2. California's flag follows, as it's my home state.

3. Finally, Plaizh Avantia's flag is third, as it means a lot to me.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:33 am

Hippostania wrote:
Urceo-Carthage wrote:For the record, I remember watching the Soviet flag fall in Moscow. I cried for hours and hours. That was probably the worst day of my life.

Oh yes, I can fully understand that. It's sad when you get rid of oppression and tyranny and recieve freedom and democracy. How horrible!

Well, the empire killed about 60 million people too. And Russia still isn't democratic. Haven't you heard? the elections had over 3000 rigs against the international voting law. The election was a fraud.
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Postby Klowr » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:34 am

Hippostania wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:The Russian Empire had just as bad human rights as the USSR, the tricolour(it isn't fucking tricolor) represents nothing of the sort.

It symbolized the Russian nation nevertheless. The blood-red banner represented oppression and tyranny and had nothing to do with the Russians.

Klowr wrote:
Awww I use to like Rarity. But now :S

Seriously, 1970's USSR was a place, where nearly everything was cheap. But anyway, doesn't that kinda disprove your point? He witness it himself, and he cried, since he's Russian himself, I would, probably the saddest moment in history. Yeah and any way, look at the 'freedom' Putin Government gives the Anti-Putin protesters.

Everything was cheap, but you couldn't emigrate and there was only one party to vote for. If you disagreed, you were sent to jail. The collapse of the Soviet Union liberated millions of people and was the most positive event of the 20th century.



Yeah, 'liberated.'

Urceo-Carthage wrote:
Hippostania wrote:That blood-red banner of tyranny was a symbol of oppression, nothing more. The current tricolor actually represents the Russian people unlike the old flag.

No, it was the symbol of the nation I was born in and still consider myself a part of today. I don't care, you can call it whatever you want, you never lived there and you must be a brainwashed American. The Americans brainwashed their children to hate communism, and still do to this day. Russia doesn't hate Americans. Why can't you just get over it? The USSR's flag represented the people. The hammer and sickle of communism represent the workers of the world.


This^

It is quite true, and anyway, I'm not a Socialist, I'm just Pro-Soviet. Though I doubt Rarity here is American.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:35 am

Hippostania wrote:
Urceo-Carthage wrote:No, it was the symbol of the nation I was born in and still consider myself a part of today. I don't care, you can call it whatever you want, you never lived there and you must be a brainwashed American. The Americans brainwashed their children to hate communism, and still do to this day. Russia doesn't hate Americans. Why can't you just get over it? The USSR's flag represented the people. The hammer and sickle of communism represent the workers of the world.

I am not brainwashed and I am not American. I'm just saying that it represents a single-party dictatorship and oppression. It's evil, just like the flag of Nazi Germany. The Russian tricolor has been used much longer. And yes, Americans teach their children to adore liberty. Communism is tyranny, so it's only logical that Americans prefer their freedom to the Soviet tyranny.

You are brainwashed if you believe that communism ever existed on a large scale.
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Postby Urceo-Carthage » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:35 am

Hippostania wrote:I am not brainwashed and I am not American. I'm just saying that it represents a single-party dictatorship and oppression. It's evil, just like the flag of Nazi Germany. The Russian tricolor has been used much longer. And yes, Americans teach their children to adore liberty. Communism is tyranny, so it's only logical that Americans prefer their freedom to the Soviet tyranny.

The Nazi German flag wasn't "evil", it was a symbol of the nation. Have you ever lived in the USSR? I didn't think so. I have, for 8 years of my life. I wish I was born in the 70s, so I can remember more of it. My memory only holds the closing years of the USSR, as it breaks down into chaos. Still, I love(d) my country, and what it stood for. Communism is good. MAYBE, the leaders of the USSR were not, but I can't tell you what to think. The idea of communism is "better" than capitalism. The USSR was sort of socialist, which is still better than capitalism.
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