One Ron Paul Thread to Rule Them All, one thread to find him

[Revolutopia]

And barely a tenth of rapes are actually reported

What does any of this have to do with the topic?

It deals with Paul's classify some Rapes as honest and others dishonest, and now his fanboys are trying to justify the stupidity of that statement.

[Lessnt]

What does any of this have to do with the topic?

It deals with Paul's classify some Rapes as honest and others dishonest, and now his fanboys are trying to justify the stupidity of that statement.

If a 17 year old has sex with a 18 year old regardless of how the 17 year old feels even if she is a day away from turning 18 it is automatic rape.
It is honest in the way as it was agreed by both participants that they would be ok with having sex.
As opposed to only one participant wanting to do it and the other being incapable of saying no or they are indeed saying no which is more dishonest compared to a consensus.
I believe Ron Paul believes that there is no merit to there being an age of consent to a mostly mature independent human being.
Remember 18 was not always the age of consent.They increased it and now everyone is use to it.
Does this stop people from loving one another?
Nope and its tyranny for those people with an honest love.(or honest desire to have sex with one another)

If I am understanding this correctly.

[Revolutopia]

It deals with Paul's classify some Rapes as honest and others dishonest, and now his fanboys are trying to justify the stupidity of that statement.

If a 17 year old has sex with a 18 year old regardless of how the 17 year old feels even if she is a day away from turning 18 it is automatic rape.
It is honest in the way as it was agreed by both participants that they would be ok with having sex.
As opposed to only one participant wanting to do it and the other being incapable of saying no or they are indeed saying no which is more dishonest compared to a consensus.
I believe Ron Paul believes that there is no merit to there being an age of consent to a mostly mature independent human being.
Remember 18 was not always the age of consent.They increased it and now everyone is use to it.
Does this stop people from loving one another?
Nope and its tyranny for those people with an honest love.(or honest desire to have sex with one another)

If I am understanding this correctly.

Paul wasn't talk about the legality of the sex, but the legality of when abortion should be allowed for the rape. Thus, nothing is really related to government stopping love.

[Lessnt]

If a 17 year old has sex with a 18 year old regardless of how the 17 year old feels even if she is a day away from turning 18 it is automatic rape.
It is honest in the way as it was agreed by both participants that they would be ok with having sex.
As opposed to only one participant wanting to do it and the other being incapable of saying no or they are indeed saying no which is more dishonest compared to a consensus.
I believe Ron Paul believes that there is no merit to there being an age of consent to a mostly mature independent human being.
Remember 18 was not always the age of consent.They increased it and now everyone is use to it.
Does this stop people from loving one another?
Nope and its tyranny for those people with an honest love.(or honest desire to have sex with one another)

If I am understanding this correctly.

Paul wasn't talk about the legality of the sex, but the legality of when abortion should be allowed for the rape. Thus, nothing is really related to government stopping love.

SO whats the big deal?
Let the states figure it out.

[Revolutopia]

SO whats the big deal?
Let the states figure it out.

What is the big deal about Paul trying to classify an entire segment of rape as not really being rape in order to better enforce his ideological fundamentalism?

Or about abortion, then the points relates to how this so-called "libertarian" and "individualist" completely disregards a group of people's personal liberties and constitutional rights only because they disagree with his religious fundamentalism.

[Wikkiwallana]

Paul wasn't talk about the legality of the sex, but the legality of when abortion should be allowed for the rape. Thus, nothing is really related to government stopping love.

SO whats the big deal?
Let the states figure it out.

The states have a very, very shitty track record on the subject.

[Lessnt]

SO whats the big deal?
Let the states figure it out.

The states have a very, very shitty track record on the subject.

Well....people are always free to move to another state.
You have to leave the country to get away from the federal gov though.

[Revolutopia]

The states have a very, very shitty track record on the subject.

Well....people are always free to move to another state.
You have to leave the country to get away from the federal gov though.

So? What is the difference as in both cases you have to leave your home? Also, with abortion if we respect it as a natural right of the women(which we currently are) there is no reason anyone would have to leave their state or country.

[Wikkiwallana]

The states have a very, very shitty track record on the subject.

Well....people are always free to move to another state.
You have to leave the country to get away from the federal gov though.

Not everyone, not by a long shot, has the assets to move to a new state. And with Ron Paul's "let the states be little dictatorships" attitude, moving from one state to another is in no way guaranteed to stay as relatively easy as it is now, should his plans ever be implemented.

[Lessnt]

I do not see how you cannot move to another state and have an abortion?
You do not need to live there.

[Lessnt]

Well....people are always free to move to another state.
You have to leave the country to get away from the federal gov though.

Not everyone, not by a long shot, has the assets to move to a new state. And with Ron Paul's "let the states be little dictatorships" attitude, moving from one state to another is in no way guaranteed to stay as relatively easy as it is now, should his plans ever be implemented.

Its guaranteed with the constitution of freedom of movement.

[Wikkiwallana]

I do not see how you cannot move to another state and have an abortion?
You do not need to live there.

Abortion opposition tends to be regional. The odds of a neighboring state allowing it if you live in a state that banned it would be rather low. Nevermind that making people go out of state for any medical procedure is stupid in and of itself.

Not everyone, not by a long shot, has the assets to move to a new state. And with Ron Paul's "let the states be little dictatorships" attitude, moving from one state to another is in no way guaranteed to stay as relatively easy as it is now, should his plans ever be implemented.

Its guaranteed with the constitution of freedom of movement.

What constitution of freedom of movement?

[Lessnt]

I do not see how you cannot move to another state and have an abortion?
You do not need to live there.

Abortion opposition tends to be regional. The odds of a neighboring state allowing it if you live in a state that banned it would be rather low. Nevermind that making people go out of state for any medical procedure is stupid in and of itself.

Its guaranteed with the constitution of freedom of movement.

What constitution of freedom of movement?

In the constitution(I do not remember the name of it)generally says that people are free to move from state to state.
I could try to find a out if you want.
THe idea behind it was that they wanted to make the states closer to one another and not isolate one another to help make a more perfect union and so on.

[Wikkiwallana]

Abortion opposition tends to be regional. The odds of a neighboring state allowing it if you live in a state that banned it would be rather low. Nevermind that making people go out of state for any medical procedure is stupid in and of itself.


What constitution of freedom of movement?

In the constitution(I do not remember the name of it)generally says that people are free to move from state to state.
I could try to find a out if you want.
THe idea behind it was that they wanted to make the states closer to one another and not isolate one another to help make a more perfect union and so on.

Even if that was in there, which it's not, Paul has showed a willingness to warp or even ignore the constitution whenever doing so suits his goals.

[Revolutopia]

In the constitution(I do not remember the name of it)generally says that people are free to move from state to state.
I could try to find a out if you want.
THe idea behind it was that they wanted to make the states closer to one another and not isolate one another to help make a more perfect union and so on.

The constitution also allows abortion, so why doesn't Paul take his authoritarian ideology and sit on it. Along, with him stopping this charade that he is some type of proponent for small government.

[Lessnt]

In the constitution(I do not remember the name of it)generally says that people are free to move from state to state.
I could try to find a out if you want.
THe idea behind it was that they wanted to make the states closer to one another and not isolate one another to help make a more perfect union and so on.

The constitution also allows abortion, so why doesn't Paul take his authoritarian ideology and sit on it. Along, with him stopping this charade that he is some type of proponent for small government.

I do not remember anything about abortion being in the constitution can you point it out for me?

[Wikkiwallana]

The constitution also allows abortion, so why doesn't Paul take his authoritarian ideology and sit on it. Along, with him stopping this charade that he is some type of proponent for small government.

I do not remember anything about abortion being in the constitution can you point it out for me?

Right after you point out freedom of movement.

[Revolutopia]

The constitution also allows abortion, so why doesn't Paul take his authoritarian ideology and sit on it. Along, with him stopping this charade that he is some type of proponent for small government.

I do not remember anything about abortion being in the constitution can you point it out for me?

Here you can find the SCOTUS telling us how abortion is protected under the constitution.

[Lessnt]

I do not remember anything about abortion being in the constitution can you point it out for me?

Here you can find the SCOTUS telling us how abortion is protected under the constitution.

But has the supreme court ruled anything?

[Revolutopia]

Here you can find the SCOTUS telling us how abortion is protected under the constitution.

But has the supreme court ruled anything?

Did you look at the link? Yes, the Supreme Court ruled states could not outlaw abortion.

[Wikkiwallana]

Here you can find the SCOTUS telling us how abortion is protected under the constitution.

But has the supreme court ruled anything?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you didn't click the link and/or don't know what SCOTUS stands for.

[Lessnt]

But has the supreme court ruled anything?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you didn't click the link and/or don't know what SCOTUS stands for.

Did not read all of it no.
Seems mostly reasonable.But honestly we still have the patriot act.
So where are we going with the constitution is my question.

[Revolutopia]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you didn't click the link and/or don't know what SCOTUS stands for.

Did not read all of it no.
Seems mostly reasonable.But honestly we still have the patriot act.
So where are we going with the constitution is my question.

What does the Patriot Act have to do with abortion?

[Juristonia]

Not a thing.
It's either a distraction from the actual topic or preparation for some serious goal post moving.

[Lessnt]

Not a thing.
It's either a distraction from the actual topic or preparation for some serious goal post moving.

Mostly talking about the constitution and government.
Otherwise I do not agree with Ron paul on every issue.
I am more pro choice on this issue.