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Postby Ravineworld » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:20 pm

Ron Paul isn't a racist. But racist's do like him a lot.
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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:24 pm

Ravineworld wrote:Ron Paul isn't a racist. But racist's do like him a lot.


No he just allows racists to ghostwrite as him for profit, while at the same time hanging around with racist organization to establish a base of support and various other actions. But, no he is not racist or anything. There is more evidence that he is racist then there is of him being anti-big government.
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Postby Allrule » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:40 pm

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Ravineworld wrote:Ron Paul isn't a racist. But racist's do like him a lot.


No he just allows racists to ghostwrite as him for profit, while at the same time hanging around with racist organization to establish a base of support and various other actions. But, no he is not racist or anything. There is more evidence that he is racist then there is of him being anti-big government.

You do realize that even if dear old Ronnie gave a speech denouncing Lincoln's legacy and calling for the return of slavery, these guys would still say he somehow wasn't racist?
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Postby Dempublicents1 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:42 pm

Allrule wrote:You do realize that even if dear old Ronnie gave a speech denouncing Lincoln's legacy and calling for the return of slavery, these guys would still say he somehow wasn't racist?


For the record, Ron Paul is already vocally anti-Lincoln, although he hasn't come out in favor of a return to slavery. It's apparently a necessity in the "States' Rights" crowd.
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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:54 pm

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No he just allows racists to ghostwrite as him for profit, while at the same time hanging around with racist organization to establish a base of support and various other actions. But, no he is not racist or anything. There is more evidence that he is racist then there is of him being anti-big government.

You do realize that even if dear old Ronnie gave a speech denouncing Lincoln's legacy and calling for the return of slavery, these guys would still say he somehow wasn't racist?

It is really sad isn't it.
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Postby Dondleslavia » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:58 pm

Ron Paul would not be welcome in Dondleslavia. Well, okay, he would be. But I would not be happy about it!

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:59 pm

Dondleslavia wrote:Ron Paul would not be welcome in Dondleslavia. Well, okay, he would be. But I would not be happy about it!

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Postby RPJVAJRP » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:08 pm

How in the world is Ron Paul even remotly rascist?

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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:18 pm

RPJVAJRP wrote:How in the world is Ron Paul even remotly rascist?


He isn't rascist, he is racist. As seen in his newsletters and who he hangs out with.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:42 pm

RPJVAJRP wrote:How in the world is Ron Paul even remotly rascist?


Racist newsletter, ties with white power groups, record of anti-civil rights voting.
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Postby Allrule » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:45 pm

Death Metal wrote:
RPJVAJRP wrote:How in the world is Ron Paul even remotly rascist?


Racist newsletter, ties with white power groups, record of anti-civil rights voting.

Illuminati Lizardmen propaganda, obviously. Really, it's sad how many sheeple are on this site. :roll: :roll:
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Postby Ravineworld » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:47 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
Ravineworld wrote:Ron Paul isn't a racist. But racist's do like him a lot.


No he just allows racists to ghostwrite as him for profit, while at the same time hanging around with racist organization to establish a base of support and various other actions. But, no he is not racist or anything. There is more evidence that he is racist then there is of him being anti-big government.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
Just read some of those quotes, then read the "newsletters" quotes. The writing style is totally different, the way he talks is totally different, and his positions are totally different. I just am saying, after reading the two, you can't deny the fact that the way he talks is totally different. And even if he were a racist, if he stands up for himself and doesn't sell out, then I still respect.
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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:51 pm

Ravineworld wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
No he just allows racists to ghostwrite as him for profit, while at the same time hanging around with racist organization to establish a base of support and various other actions. But, no he is not racist or anything. There is more evidence that he is racist then there is of him being anti-big government.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
Just read some of those quotes, then read the "newsletters" quotes. The writing style is totally different, the way he talks is totally different, and his positions are totally different. I just am saying, after reading the two, you can't deny the fact that the way he talks is totally different. And even if he were a racist, if he stands up for himself and doesn't sell out, then I still respect.


Note I said ghostwrite. The fact that he stands up for himself is vague and doesn't say anything, and if he is racist that means he stands up for racism. Also, how is his anti-civil rights act and pro-state rights(to the degree of big government) totally different.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:50 pm

Ghostwritten, yes.

But he also reviewed them and actively allowed them to be published under his name, with his letterhead, with his signature.

He may as well have written it himself.


EDIT- And he did make millions off of these, so yeah, he did sell out.
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Postby New Ziedrich » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:41 pm

And I sure as hell wouldn't want a suspected white supremacist sympathizer in the Oval Office, anyway.
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:51 am

Even if he weren't, his policies are childish at best.

It's like he played SimCity one day and fancied himself a master politician and economist based on that alone.

Well, no. That's not fair. Because even in SimCity you can't run a government without taxes.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:18 am

Ravineworld wrote:
Revolutopia wrote:
No he just allows racists to ghostwrite as him for profit, while at the same time hanging around with racist organization to establish a base of support and various other actions. But, no he is not racist or anything. There is more evidence that he is racist then there is of him being anti-big government.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
Just read some of those quotes, then read the "newsletters" quotes. The writing style is totally different, the way he talks is totally different, and his positions are totally different. I just am saying, after reading the two, you can't deny the fact that the way he talks is totally different. And even if he were a racist, if he stands up for himself and doesn't sell out, then I still respect.


Because 'standing up for yourself' is more important than how we treat people based on the colour of their skin?

You and I are going to have to disagree.
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Postby Ravineworld » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:38 am

Death Metal wrote:Even if he weren't, his policies are childish at best.

It's like he played SimCity one day and fancied himself a master politician and economist based on that alone.

Well, no. That's not fair. Because even in SimCity you can't run a government without taxes.

But you can run a government without taxes. If you privatize everything and basically let the states have their own governments, the fed can exist without taxes. Just look at alaska, they have no personal income tax, no sales tax, and the government pays several thousand dollars every year to the citizens of the state. So you are wrong
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Postby Natapoc » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:17 am

Ravineworld wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Even if he weren't, his policies are childish at best.

It's like he played SimCity one day and fancied himself a master politician and economist based on that alone.

Well, no. That's not fair. Because even in SimCity you can't run a government without taxes.

But you can run a government without taxes. If you privatize everything and basically let the states have their own governments, the fed can exist without taxes. Just look at alaska, they have no personal income tax, no sales tax, and the government pays several thousand dollars every year to the citizens of the state. So you are wrong



Alaska? You mean the quazi fascist state of Alaska? The welfare state of alaska with several state owned companies?

How do they run their state without charging their people taxes? Well, besides the state owned companies Alaska gets back $1.84 for ever dollar it's people spend in taxes from the federal government. In other words they are making a huge profit on federal taxes.

A profit skimmed off taxation of individuals in other states.

"Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell announced Friday that every eligible man, woman and child will receive $2,069, thanks to dividend payments from the state’s oil royalty investment program distributed annually. On top of that, the checks will include another $1,200 from the state treasury to help offset soaring fuel prices."

I did not know libertarians considered the state controlling industry and distributing the proceeds to people to be a good idea.

If there was no federal income tax, Alaska would have to straighten up and learn some fiscal responsibility.
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Postby Ravineworld » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:29 am

Natapoc wrote:
Ravineworld wrote:But you can run a government without taxes. If you privatize everything and basically let the states have their own governments, the fed can exist without taxes. Just look at alaska, they have no personal income tax, no sales tax, and the government pays several thousand dollars every year to the citizens of the state. So you are wrong



Alaska? You mean the quazi fascist state of Alaska? The welfare state of alaska with several state owned companies?

How do they run their state without charging their people taxes? Well, besides the state owned companies Alaska gets back $1.84 for ever dollar it's people spend in taxes from the federal government. In other words they are making a huge profit on federal taxes.

A profit skimmed off taxation of individuals in other states.

"Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell announced Friday that every eligible man, woman and child will receive $2,069, thanks to dividend payments from the state’s oil royalty investment program distributed annually. On top of that, the checks will include another $1,200 from the state treasury to help offset soaring fuel prices."

I did not know libertarians considered the state controlling industry and distributing the proceeds to people to be a good idea.

If there was no federal income tax, Alaska would have to straighten up and learn some fiscal responsibility.

Please give some sources.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:46 am

Ravineworld wrote:
Natapoc wrote:

Alaska? You mean the quazi fascist state of Alaska? The welfare state of alaska with several state owned companies?

How do they run their state without charging their people taxes? Well, besides the state owned companies Alaska gets back $1.84 for ever dollar it's people spend in taxes from the federal government. In other words they are making a huge profit on federal taxes.

A profit skimmed off taxation of individuals in other states.

"Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell announced Friday that every eligible man, woman and child will receive $2,069, thanks to dividend payments from the state’s oil royalty investment program distributed annually. On top of that, the checks will include another $1,200 from the state treasury to help offset soaring fuel prices."

I did not know libertarians considered the state controlling industry and distributing the proceeds to people to be a good idea.

If there was no federal income tax, Alaska would have to straighten up and learn some fiscal responsibility.

Please give some sources.

Ask and you shall ... It's from 2008, of course, but that's what they do in Alaska, they redistribute wealth. All perfectly legitimate.
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Postby Ravineworld » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:10 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Ravineworld wrote:Please give some sources.

Ask and you shall ... It's from 2008, of course, but that's what they do in Alaska, they redistribute wealth. All perfectly legitimate.

Ok, I was wrong on the alaska example. I'll have to do some more research and get back to you guys. Thanks for correcting me.
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Postby Cromarty » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:01 pm

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Death Metal wrote:Even if he weren't, his policies are childish at best.

It's like he played SimCity one day and fancied himself a master politician and economist based on that alone.

Well, no. That's not fair. Because even in SimCity you can't run a government without taxes.

But you can run a government without taxes. If you privatize everything and basically let the states have their own governments, the fed can exist without taxes. Just look at alaska, they have no personal income tax, no sales tax, and the government pays several thousand dollars every year to the citizens of the state. So you are wrong

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Postby Ravineworld » Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:25 pm

Cromarty wrote:
Ravineworld wrote:But you can run a government without taxes. If you privatize everything and basically let the states have their own governments, the fed can exist without taxes. Just look at alaska, they have no personal income tax, no sales tax, and the government pays several thousand dollars every year to the citizens of the state. So you are wrong

Alaska is home to 8 people, and all of them are Polar Bears.

That isn't true either. Alaska has several hundred thousand citizens.
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Postby Vengeful Daylight » Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:28 pm

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Cromarty wrote:Alaska is home to 8 people, and all of them are Polar Bears.

That isn't true either. Alaska has several hundred thousand citizens.

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