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Postby Delator » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:21 am

Malgrave wrote:
Kulverint wrote:Of course, thanks to massive defence cuts, our total number of aircraft carriers, from which we could retake the islands is Argentina do invade, is a grand total of 0.

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You don't need aircraft carriers to defend the Falklands. The 4 Typhoons currently stationed on the islands could defeat the entire Argentine Air-Force alone.


Pretty much...even assuming the UK doesn't send additional fighters to the Falklands, Super Etendards and Mirage IIIs just aren't going to cut it against the top of the line.

Hell, Argentina now also lacks a carrier...I have doubts that any of their combat aircraft have a combat radius that would enable them to engage targets near the islands.

Argentinian naval cover alone will not be sufficient to protect an amphibious invasion...either from British aircraft, the Guided Missile Frigate currently stationed there, or any SSN's stationed in the area (such deployments are classified, so you can bet at least one is in range to support the islands at any given time).

Any such attempt would be suicide.

Even assuming that all these hurdles are cleared, and they land troops on the islands...not only is the garrison much larger, better equipped, and properly trained, but they've had 30 years to get ready for Round Two in a tactical situation that clearly favors the defender.

Ain't ever gonna happen...in other words.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:28 am

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Vellosia wrote:I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.


Nukes?



That is not how we British do things
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Postby Misterfisher minions » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:30 am

Delator wrote:Pretty much...even assuming the UK doesn't send additional fighters to the Falklands, Super Etendards and Mirage IIIs just aren't going to cut it against the top of the line.


Beware of Super etendards, They are way more dangerous than Mirage III and kicked ass in 1982.
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Postby Gravonia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:11 am

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Nukes?



That is not how we British do things

Gurkhas?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:12 am

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That is not how we British do things

Gurkhas?

Hessians?
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:27 am

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Gravonia wrote:Gurkhas?

Hessians?

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Postby The UK in Exile » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:28 am

Misterfisher minions wrote:
Delator wrote:Pretty much...even assuming the UK doesn't send additional fighters to the Falklands, Super Etendards and Mirage IIIs just aren't going to cut it against the top of the line.


Beware of Super etendards, They are way more dangerous than Mirage III and kicked ass in 1982.


Its not 1982. though the argentine government appears to be confused on that issue as well

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Hessians?


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Postby Malgrave » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:31 am

Misterfisher minions wrote:
Delator wrote:Pretty much...even assuming the UK doesn't send additional fighters to the Falklands, Super Etendards and Mirage IIIs just aren't going to cut it against the top of the line.


Beware of Super etendards, They are way more dangerous than Mirage III and kicked ass in 1982.


Considering the poor maintenance record of the Argentine Air-Force not really.
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:37 am

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You think the Spanish could handle the Boers any better than the British did? Still, it would be interesting.


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Postby Pesda » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:40 am

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Nukes?


I was thinking more of bombing Buenos Aires. See how President Kircher reacts when her Palace is burning...


That, frankly, is quite disgusting.
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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:20 am

Great Malema wrote:Honestly, will they ever get over that fact that the Falklands are British? That's like the Germans still thinking that the Alsace-Lorraine belongs to them.


But the Alsace-Lorraine does belong to the Germans.
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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:24 am

Pesda wrote:
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I was thinking more of bombing Buenos Aires. See how President Kircher reacts when her Palace is burning...


That, frankly, is quite disgusting.


Why? They want to take the Falklands. I think if they try, flattening Buenos Aires would be a good response.
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:26 am

Blazedtown wrote:
Pesda wrote:
That, frankly, is quite disgusting.


Why? They want to take the Falklands. I think if they try, flattening Buenos Aires would be a good response.


Nah, that most likely comes under war-crimes. That we, British people, would support a government which would go out of it's way to attack civilians at a target of minimal military value. A massacre under the guise of an overly disporportionate response? Never.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:29 am

Kouralia wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Why? They want to take the Falklands. I think if they try, flattening Buenos Aires would be a good response.


Nah, that most likely comes under war-crimes. That we, British people, would support a government which would go out of it's way to attack civilians at a target of minimal military value. A massacre under the guise of an overly disporportionate response? Never.


Just tell everyone they had guns pointed at you and stick to the story.
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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:32 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:I'm torn between my dislike of European imperialism in the Americas or at least how the Falklands, to some extent, has come to represent that, and my support of the United Kingdom, as an ally of the US.



Well try thinking about it this way; President Kirchner is of European descent as is 86% of the of the population, 8.5% of the population is of mixed European and indigenous descent and only 1.6% of the population is indigenous. So really it's just one set of European imperialists arguing with another set of European imperialists.
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Postby Blazedtown » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:35 am

Kouralia wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Why? They want to take the Falklands. I think if they try, flattening Buenos Aires would be a good response.


Nah, that most likely comes under war-crimes. That we, British people, would support a government which would go out of it's way to attack civilians at a target of minimal military value. A massacre under the guise of an overly disporportionate response? Never.


You can go tit for tat like this for the next 1000 years, maybe coming to blows a few more times, or the next time they draw blood over this, or you can curb stomp them and end their delusions forever. Hit every government building in Buenos Aires with a laser guided 2000lb bomb.
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Postby Neo Arcad » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:35 am

Yeah... no. Fucking Argentines.
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:36 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
Kouralia wrote:
Nah, that most likely comes under war-crimes. That we, British people, would support a government which would go out of it's way to attack civilians at a target of minimal military value. A massacre under the guise of an overly disporportionate response? Never.


Just tell everyone they had guns pointed at you and stick to the story.

Unlike America, a nation of our finesse cannot get away with such blatant accuracy-fails. We would be expected to do commando raids or some shit like that. However, a massacre would be accemptable if we deployed a Scottish unit...

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Postby Free Tribes » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:37 am

I think that Argentina will not go to war with the UK again. They can't win.

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Postby Inky Noodles » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:38 am

Argentina really has been acting like a five year old for like twenty years on the Falklands.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:39 am

Kouralia wrote:
Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
Just tell everyone they had guns pointed at you and stick to the story.

Unlike America, a nation of our finesse cannot get away with such blatant accuracy-fails. We would be expected to do commando raids or some shit like that. However, a massacre would be accemptable if we deployed a Scottish unit...

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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:39 am

Kouralia wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Why? They want to take the Falklands. I think if they try, flattening Buenos Aires would be a good response.


Nah, that most likely comes under war-crimes. That we, British people, would support a government which would go out of it's way to attack civilians at a target of minimal military value. A massacre under the guise of an overly disporportionate response? Never.

Isn't there some Argentine military base within 2000 miles of Buenos Aires? UK can just claim that they mistook Buenos Aires for that military base because it was night time and pilots got their co-ordinates badly wrong because RAF was taking lessons in accuracy bombardment from American Airforce.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:40 am

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It doesn't matter. When they arrive in port and the port authorities find out they're falsely flying a flag they aren't registered under, they'll be in deep kim chee. Like I said above, that could even open them to piracy charges.


Incorporate the Falkland as overseas county/region/whatever of Great Britain (just as French Guiana and Réunion are overseas regions of France, you know); register those ships as British ships.
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:41 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Unlike America, a nation of our finesse cannot get away with such blatant accuracy-fails. We would be expected to do commando raids or some shit like that. However, a massacre would be accemptable if we deployed a Scottish unit...

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Kouralia wrote:
Nah, that most likely comes under war-crimes. That we, British people, would support a government which would go out of it's way to attack civilians at a target of minimal military value. A massacre under the guise of an overly disporportionate response? Never.

Isn't there some Argentine military base within 2000 miles of Buenos Aires? UK can just claim that they mistook Buenos Aires for that military base because it was night time and pilots got their co-ordinates badly wrong because RAF was taking lessons in accuracy bombardment from American Airforce.

See my reply to Fionnuala_Saoirse.

I see you saw my post XD
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:43 am

Risottia wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:
It doesn't matter. When they arrive in port and the port authorities find out they're falsely flying a flag they aren't registered under, they'll be in deep kim chee. Like I said above, that could even open them to piracy charges.


Incorporate the Falkland as overseas county/region/whatever of Great Britain (just as French Guiana and Réunion are overseas regions of France, you know); register those ships as British ships.

That's my favoured solution too... and we should do the same with Gibraltar as well. They could keep their current systems of local adminstration as 'devolved' legislatures under Westminster.
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