More Falklands Trouble

[Imperio Juliano]

Argentinians should STOP whining about the falklands or as they call those islands " Las Malvinas", those islands and the people that live in them are BRITISH, not argentinian, and i dont think those guys want to become argentinians, if Argentina takes control of the falklands the people living there would flee to the UK without a doubt and remain british...... but its imposible for that to happen, if Argentina wants trouble i dont think that the UK will remain silent and calm, it will kick argentinas military back to Buenos Aires....... you cannot compare the military and economic power of UK and Argentina, as simple as that........ even if there is a military alliance between Argentina,Uruguay and Brazil, the south american nations would loose that war because of the power of the UK and also because the NATO would participate....... and we know how it works.........

[The Archregimancy]

Not sure exactly how much of an effect this will have

Almost none since:

A) it only applies to about 25 Falkland-flagged fishing vessels.

B) It doesn't apply to British-flagged vessels carrying supplies to the islands.

If someone's already pointed this out, apologies; I didn't read the whole thread.

[Risottia]

South American bloc Mercosur to bar Falklands ships

A South American trading bloc that includes Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay agreed Tuesday to close its ports to ships flying the flag of the disputed Falkland Islands, Uruguay's president said.

The presidents of the Mercosur countries agreed at a summit here that ships flying the Falklands flag "should not dock in Mercosur ports, and if that were to happen, they should not be accepted in another Mercosur port," Uruguay's President Jose Mujica said.

Easy solution: fly the Union Jack.

[Daistallia 2104]

Easy solution: fly the Union Jack.

Not that easy, for reasons I outlined above.

[Eslovakia]

Its funny how people think the EU would do something for the UK with the Malvinas situation when Britain is literally is telling the EU to piss off.

[Cromarty]

I think the whole thing will go Britain's way this time.

Though 'dangerous' Dave has left us without an aircraft carrier until 2030.

EDIT To reitierate Kulverint's earlier mention of this.

We still have a carrier until 2014.

[Risottia]

Easy solution: fly the Union Jack.

Not that easy, for reasons I outlined above.

Dunno. Would they be willing to board and search any vessel that flies the UK flag?

[Mike the Progressive]

I'm torn between my dislike of European imperialism in the Americas or at least how the Falklands, to some extent, has come to represent that, and my support of the United Kingdom, as an ally of the US.

[Daistallia 2104]

Not that easy, for reasons I outlined above.

Dunno. Would they be willing to board and search any vessel that flies the UK flag?

It doesn't matter. When they arrive in port and the port authorities find out they're falsely flying a flag they aren't registered under, they'll be in deep kim chee. Like I said above, that could even open them to piracy charges.

[Horsefish]

I'm torn between my dislike of European imperialism in the Americas or at least how the Falklands, to some extent, has come to represent that, and my support of the United Kingdom, as an ally of the US.

It's hardly imperialism when the residents have exercised their right to self-determination.

[Shofercia]

Don't they have actual issues to deal with at these conferences?

IRL trolling could be an actual issue. It's great for rallying public support.

[Mike the Progressive]

I'm torn between my dislike of European imperialism in the Americas or at least how the Falklands, to some extent, has come to represent that, and my support of the United Kingdom, as an ally of the US.

It's hardly imperialism when the residents have exercised their right to self-determination.

It is, when GB established the islands as a colony in the 1840s.

[Horsefish]

It's hardly imperialism when the residents have exercised their right to self-determination.

It is, when GB established the islands as a colony in the 1840s.

How is that any diffrent than Argentina establishing them as a colony? They aren't part of the argentinian mainland, and IIRC Britain is the only country to maintain a constant base on them.

Surely Argentina attempting to deny the islanders their right to self-determination is more imperialistic?

[Mike the Progressive]

It is, when GB established the islands as a colony in the 1840s.

How is that any diffrent than Argentina establishing them as a colony? They aren't part of the argentinian mainland, and IIRC Britain is the only country to maintain a constant base on them.

Surely Argentina attempting to deny the islanders their right to self-determination is more imperialistic?

That's true.

[Grave_n_idle]

Argentina have historical claims to the islands...

Not so much. British claim... dates to 1690.

Argentina wasn't even formed till 1810.

You could claim that Spain has historical claims to the island. Argentina doesn't.

[The Holy Therns]

Nukes?

I was thinking more of bombing Buenos Aires. See how President Kircher reacts when her Palace is burning...

NOTHING REMAINS IN WHAT WAS ONCE CALLED THE LATIN PARADISE.

[Morrdh]

You could claim that Spain has historical claims to the island. Argentina doesn't.

Spain only has a remote claim through a French colony that was given to them and predated the first British settlement by about a year or so despite the British being the first to discover the islands.

[West Failure]

Though 'dangerous' Dave has left us without an aircraft carrier until 2030.

EDIT To reitierate Kulverint's earlier mention of this.

We still have a carrier until 2014.

I think the Argentinians might know that.

[Grave_n_idle]

You could claim that Spain has historical claims to the island. Argentina doesn't.

Spain only has a remote claim through a French colony that was given to them and predated the first British settlement by about a year or so despite the British being the first to discover the islands.

The Spanish colonies at least existed in the right time frame. Argentina didn't even exist when the first British claim was made to the Falkland Islands... and wouldn't exist for more than another century.

[Georgizm]

The Falklands are closest to Argentina, therefore Argentina should become part of the Falklands.

[Horsefish]

The Falklands are closest to Argentina, therefore Argentina should become part of the Falklands.

I swear you or George always repeat that chestnut.

[Malgrave]

Of course, thanks to massive defence cuts, our total number of aircraft carriers, from which we could retake the islands is Argentina do invade, is a grand total of 0.

Thanks, Tories!

You don't need aircraft carriers to defend the Falklands. The 4 Typhoons currently stationed on the islands could defeat the entire Argentine Air-Force alone.

[Georgizm]

The Falklands are closest to Argentina, therefore Argentina should become part of the Falklands.

I swear you or George always repeat that chestnut.

I ran out of jokes

[Morrdh]

Spain only has a remote claim through a French colony that was given to them and predated the first British settlement by about a year or so despite the British being the first to discover the islands.

The Spanish colonies at least existed in the right time frame. Argentina didn't even exist when the first British claim was made to the Falkland Islands... and wouldn't exist for more than another century.

True, plus the Argentine claim to the Falklands and the Islas Malvinas didn't really pick up until the 1930s when every single Argentine wasn't given a revised history textbook of the 'official' Argentine version of history regarding the islands.

[Malgrave]

I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.

I for one favour giving them a proper good spanking and twenty minutes on the naughty step!