More Falklands Trouble

[Horsefish]

They're trying to isolate and sanction a small group of people exercising their right to self-determination, and make their wishes untenable, and are managing to get away with it. Where's the UN? Or the EU?

They don't want to defend 'imperialism'. Because Britian is very clearly in the wrong here *nods*

[Anime Daisuki]

I wish the EU would just tell the Argentines and anyone who sides with them to fuck off.

This little joke stopped being funny decades ago.

You might have missed the news about a week back when UK gave the EU the diplomatic equivalent of the middle finger.

[West Failure]

america has no say in any of this OP

True, but the US still has the leverage with South American and could in theory apply pressure if it still cares about the 'Special Relationship' with us Brits.

I mean in 1982 they back us lot at the cost of poorer relations with alot of South American countries.

The special relationship is like the cake.

[Kouralia]

This begs the question, what would happen if Argentina invaded?

As the Falklands inhabitants want to be British, not Argentinan, it would be an invasion to subjugate the population and take it over for Argentina. This means that (presumably) the UN would take the side of the UK and Falklands. With the Economic and military clout of the UN the Argentines would have to back down. I believe that the US supported Britain in the Falklands Conflict, os they'd probably do the same this time (especially if we're pumping out oil and friendly with them... I have no idea if that projected output is large or not). This puts the Argentines at a disadvantage. We (Brits) have a keen-as military so we could, maybe, go it alone like we did last time. But this time it would be much bloodier as the increased tech would make those pre-invasion infiltrations very hard to do.

I think the whole thing will go Britain's way this time.

[Great Malema]

This begs the question, what would happen if Argentina invaded?

As the Falklands inhabitants want to be British, not Argentinan, it would be an invasion to subjugate the population and take it over for Argentina. This means that (presumably) the UN would take the side of the UK and Falklands. With the Economic and military clout of the UN the Argentines would have to back down. I believe that the US supported Britain in the Falklands Conflict, os they'd probably do the same this time (especially if we're pumping out oil and friendly with them... I have no idea if that projected output is large or not). This puts the Argentines at a disadvantage. We (Brits) have a keen-as military so we could, maybe, go it alone like we did last time. But this time it would be much bloodier as the increased tech would make those pre-invasion infiltrations very hard to do.

I think the whole thing will go Britain's way this time.

I doubt Argentina would invade the Falklands. They may still be bitter over the whole thing, but they're not that stupid.

[West Failure]

I think the whole thing will go Britain's way this time.

Though 'dangerous' Dave has left us without an aircraft carrier until 2030.

EDIT To reitierate Kulverint's earlier mention of this.

[Tubbsalot]

I wish the EU would just tell the Argentines and anyone who sides with them to fuck off.

This little joke stopped being funny decades ago.

You might have missed the news about a week back when UK gave the EU the diplomatic equivalent of the middle finger.

Granted. Also granted that the EU has bigger things to worry about.

Even so, I wish we could put aside our petty political differences to come together and unite behind a cause we all believe in; calling Argentina a twat because of its threats toward the Falklands.

[Aethelstania]

What should happen is the Falklands is that it should be turned into a Crown Dependencie that way they still have strong connections to the UK who can protect them from the Argies, who would have even less of a reason to moan seeing as they would be practically independent !

[Kouralia]

I doubt Argentina would invade the Falklands. They may still be bitter over the whole thing, but they're not that stupid.

I suppose, I forget that The Falklands is often regarded as the event which convinced America to continue it's interventionist routine, that an 'imperialist Western' nation could intervene militarily on the other side of the world and overcome all supply and logistics difficulties to triumph.

I think the whole thing will go Britain's way this time.

Though 'dangerous' Dave has left us without an aircraft carrier until 2030.

I don't know the details (I'm 15, give me a break...) but aren't we just sharing them with the French? The outbreak of war (provided the Argentinan Govt. actually declares war/we do) would probably nullify that sharing. And don't we have the HMS Ocean, isn't it arriving back in Portsmouth this week after it's 6 month tour?

[Greater Mackonia]

If the Argentine dare come near the Falklands we will send the lib dems

[Ambassador of Davishire]

The Argies should just disappear off. Us brits shall never give the islands to the argies especially when the islanders themselves want to stay british

[Kouralia]

If the Argentine dare come near the Falklands we will send the lib dems

Send them Peter Nick Griffin...

He'll freak them out so much with his eye and ugly-ass face that they'll retreat through to the other coast of South America just to get away from him...

[Britcan]

As with footballs, the argentinians need to keep their hands of the Falklands.

[Vellosia]

I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.

[Baltenstein]

I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.

Nukes?

[Kouralia]

I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.

Nukes?

Please say that's sarcastic...

[Morrdh]

I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.

We still have one flying Vulcan and a bunch more that weren't stripped out, one Vulcan was actually sat at Norwich Airport for a few years and was found to start up perfectly first time despite being sat idle.

[Vellosia]

I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.

Nukes?

I was thinking more of bombing Buenos Aires. See how President Kircher reacts when her Palace is burning...

[Daistallia 2104]

25. Most fly the UK shipping standard, which has not been banned.

So, all those 25 ships need to do is change their flag when they want to dock in South American ports... shouldn't take more than few seconds.

You do realize that when we talk about what flag a ship flies, we mean the flag state in which the ship is registered and which exercises regulatory control over the vessel, and not simply the physical piece of cloth right? Simply changing the physical flag without changing the registry would result in some serious legal problems, possibly even piracy charges upon arrival in port. Even if it didn't, port authorities have already stateded they would “check for possible irregularities” in registrations. Changing the registry is a bit trickier. There are open registry nations, AKA flag of convenience (FOC) countries, and re-registering with one can be done fairly easily and quickly (a matter of days), but such registration is expensive. Also, ships sailing under an FOC are in themselves suspect of criminal activities. Re-registering with another respectable closed national registry would mean selling the ship.

Opening the UK registry to Falklands ships may be a solution.

And as far as Spain goes:

Another interested party in the issue and which is following the issue closely is the Spanish embassy in Montevideo because Spanish fishing vessels heading for Montevideo or operating in the South Atlantic with Falklands’ government licences have been intercepted and challenged by the Argentina Coast Guard, alleging they are “illegally” operating in ‘Argentine waters’.

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/16/uk- ... ed-vessels

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Nukes?

I was thinking more of bombing Buenos Aires. See how President Kircher reacts when her Palace is burning...

Do you always fly off the handle at the slightest provocation?

[Morrdh]

And as far as Spain goes:

Another interested party in the issue and which is following the issue closely is the Spanish embassy in Montevideo because Spanish fishing vessels heading for Montevideo or operating in the South Atlantic with Falklands’ government licences have been intercepted and challenged by the Argentina Coast Guard, alleging they are “illegally” operating in ‘Argentine waters’.

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/16/uk- ... ed-vessels

Wow, piss off the only EU country that backed you in 1982 why don't ya.

[Vellosia]

I was thinking more of bombing Buenos Aires. See how President Kircher reacts when her Palace is burning...

Do you always fly off the handle at the slightest provocation?

Considering Argentina can't get over the fact it lost last time, pretty much.

[Aeronos]

I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.

Lol, David Cameron doesn't really have the superiority commanded by Thatcher. She would've punished them ruthlessly for daring to mess with her again, but I can't see Mr Cameron doing quite the same...

[Paros]

I think Argentina needs to be disciplined. Properly this time.

Lol, David Cameron doesn't really have the superiority commanded by Thatcher. She would've punished them ruthlessly for daring to mess with her again, but I can't see Mr Cameron doing quite the same...

Just fake some footage of Argentines begging us to help them overthrow their government and he won't be able to resist.

[Daistallia 2104]

Do you always fly off the handle at the slightest provocation?

Typical ITG teeny.

And as far as Spain goes:

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/16/uk- ... ed-vessels

Wow, piss off the only EU country that backed you in 1982 why don't ya.

More on that bit:

In its last paragraph the communiqué refers to the weekend incident involving a Spanish flagged fishing vessel leaving the port of Montevideo for the South Atlantic and which under threat of boarding form the Argentine Coast Guard was forced to sail through Uruguayan waters to reach the high seas.

“Furthermore with regard to the incident over the weekend involving the Spanish flagged fishing vessel Villa Nores, which was hailed with intention to board by the Argentine Coast Guard, we feel this demonstrates Argentina’s complete disregard for the right under 'United Nations Convention of the Law of the Seas' maritime law, for the right of innocent passage through territorial waters”.

The Spanish ambassador in Montevideo Aurora Díaz-Rato criticized the Argentine authorities’ action as an ‘error’ and said Argentina has no right to impede the free navigation of Spanish vessels in international waters.

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/20/fal ... montevideo

Nations have gone to war over just that act...