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Postby Keronians » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:48 pm

Great Nepal wrote:

Growth has been downgraded, but growth is still expected. Ie. GDP is still growing, just at slower rate.


Hence: "growth is expected to go downhill".
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:50 pm

Keronians wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Growth has been downgraded, but growth is still expected. Ie. GDP is still growing, just at slower rate.


Hence: "growth is expected to go downhill".

No, growth is expected to continue at slower rate than predicted.
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Postby Myrth » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:51 pm

Great Nepal wrote:

Growth has been downgraded, but growth is still expected. Ie. GDP is still growing, just at slower rate.



THE BANK of England has slashed its central growth estimate to no more than 1pc in both 2011 and 2012 with a dramatically increased threat of a double-dip recession next year.


Seems they think it could go either way.
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Postby Keronians » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:51 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Hence: "growth is expected to go downhill".

No, growth is expected to continue at slower rate than predicted.


Go downhill = reduce dramatically.

Going from 1.5/2% to 1% is a huge downgrade, especially since the only ones expecting figures as high as that are the ones on the BofE.

Everybody else expects continuing stagnation.
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Postby Myrth » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:52 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Hence: "growth is expected to go downhill".

No, growth is expected to continue at slower rate than predicted.


i.e. growth has gone downhill. The rate of growth has decreased. Although from what the BofE said, it looks like they're predicting the economy may even contract.
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Postby Esperanta » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:15 pm

I'd point out that the strikes didn't involve "police officers" who aren't allowed to.
For the rest this was pt 2 of the beginning following 30/6. Already the gov't have upped the ante with talk of redundancy & 1% pay freeze. We have to get over the fact the scheams are viable, also expose the lies of the media. As to further action clearly closing schools is effective & interupting revenue tends to get noticed.
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Postby Antariel » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:30 pm

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Antariel wrote:And it was Labour that massively extended benefit culture, partially as a way to secure votes. And if it was such a bad Conservative policy, why didn't Labour change it?


I can partly agree with your first point, as their focus on 'eliminating child poverty' made for an emotive campaign, but it ignored the real issues of ingrained cultures of non-employment. However, that's a justification for reigning in benefits now, not slashing the pensions of hard-working public sector workers.

And Labour didn't change it because of this ridiculous New Labour fixation on allowing the markets to 'regulate themselves'. Blair, Mandelson et al clung to this idea with almost more fervour than Thatcher herself.


Aware this is belated, but nobody else replied; the issue with just trying to rein in benefits now is that its arguably an impossible thing to do on any meaningful scale; people are not happy when you try to take money they think they are entitled to away. More cynically, it would also make the Tories unelectable - the whole issue of benefits being a way to get votes is a problem in politics.
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Postby Hippostania » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:05 am

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Hippostania wrote:Tell me then, why should unions have more power but corporations should have less?


Because a union is a democratic organisation made up of the workforce. A corporation is an undemocratic organisation made up of shareholders and executives.

Doesn't matter. If one group of people should have more power, then the another group of people should have the same amount of power too. Besides, unions just cause trouble and organize strikes while corporations provide us with goods and services. I sure know which one I like more.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:08 am

Hippostania wrote:
Myrth wrote:
Because a union is a democratic organisation made up of the workforce. A corporation is an undemocratic organisation made up of shareholders and executives.

Doesn't matter. If one group of people should have more power, then the another group of people should have the same amount of power too. Besides, unions just cause trouble and organize strikes while corporations provide us with goods and services. I sure know which one I like more.


unions create goods and services (organized labour), corporations sell them to you.
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