Obligatory "Fox News Is Evil" Thread

[The Black Forrest]

Not exactly damning evidece.

Claims of lies at best.

Probably what you can blame CNN is not verifying before publishing. It happens in the rush to print these days.

Say they did make it up. Ok that's one.

Have anymore?

I was asked for one and I provided it.

You found one story where a company has made a claim.

Did CNN make it up?

[Cannot think of a name]

HERE is where the analogy was brought up: first post on page two.

where the part about fucking the person mom?

...in your head?

[Forster Keys]

HERE is where the analogy was brought up: first post on page two.

where the part about fucking the person mom?

I'm sorry but that is hilariously quotable.

[North Calaveras]

where the part about fucking the person mom?

...in your head?

but you posted it, meaning it came from your head...

[Cannot think of a name]

...in your head?

but you posted it, meaning it came from your head...

No...no I didn't. Didn't you throw a little tizzy fit over people putting words in your mouth not too long ago?

[North Calaveras]

but you posted it, meaning it came from your head...

No...no I didn't. Didn't you throw a little tizzy fit over people putting words in your mouth not too long ago?

yeah....you did, ill bring it up in a second.

[North Calaveras]

"Much in the same way what Timmy did next door didn't excuse the shit you did with your momma."


Yeah...you did...

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Fox News writes article with controversial headline in order to spike ratings and business.

More at 11.

[Dark Side Messiahs]

Another reason I don't watch FOX News

[Cannot think of a name]

"Much in the same way what Timmy did next door didn't excuse the shit you did with your momma."


Yeah...you did...

Holy jumping Jehoshaphat, you got 'fucking your mom' out of that? Wow...seriously dude, that's messed up. What goes on in your head to make that connection? How...how do you even get there? I was talking about things you did to get in trouble...wow...just...wow. No wonder you're not seeing anything wrong with what Fox did. That's...wow...

[Wikkiwallana]

"Much in the same way what Timmy did next door didn't excuse the shit you did with your momma."


Yeah...you did...

Ok, that's just failure to parse the sentence correctly. A less ambiguous phrasing would have been "Much in the same way your momma didn't excuse the shit you did because of what did next door." No Oedipal implications where intended.

[North Calaveras]

"Much in the same way what Timmy did next door didn't excuse the shit you did with your momma."


Yeah...you did...

Ok, that's just failure to parse the sentence correctly. A less ambiguous phrasing would have been "Much in the same way your momma didn't excuse the shit you did because of what did next door." No Oedipal implications where intended.

well, it sure sounded like it, that's all im saying. I must have read it wrong because it sure sounded wrong.

[Straughn]

Is there any way to defend it? Is there any way that Fox can actually spin this as anything other than ideological dishonesty?

Rank incompetence?

Isn't blaming overtly false sensationalism as a specific "libruhl media" trait just an indicator of what kind of journalistic integrity FauX has always held as the highest standard?
Conflats to them, the irony is as tasty as ever.

[Bombadil]

This is simply a brilliant article by David Frum, former speech writer for Bushito.. in which he writes..

But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics. Outside this alternative reality, the United States is a country dominated by a strong Christian religiosity. Within it, Christians are a persecuted minority. Outside the system, President Obama—whatever his policy ­errors—is a figure of imposing intellect and dignity. Within the system, he’s a pitiful nothing, unable to speak without a teleprompter, an affirmative-action ­phony doomed to inevitable defeat. Outside the system, social scientists worry that the U.S. is hardening into one of the most rigid class societies in the Western world, in which the children of the poor have less chance of escape than in France, Germany, or even England. Inside the system, the U.S. remains (to borrow the words of Senator Marco Rubio) “the only place in the world where it doesn’t matter who your parents were or where you came from.”

If I thought NSG had the application to fully discuss the article, and I include myself in that, I'd make a thread on it.

http://nymag.com/news/politics/conserva ... m-2011-11/

[Cameroi]

there is only one evil, and that is the tyranny of the dominance of aggressiveness.
faux news is, however, an instrument of perceptual manipulation in support of it.

[Dracoria]

This is simply a brilliant article by David Frum, former speech writer for Bushito.. in which he writes..

But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics. Outside this alternative reality, the United States is a country dominated by a strong Christian religiosity. Within it, Christians are a persecuted minority. Outside the system, President Obama—whatever his policy ­errors—is a figure of imposing intellect and dignity. Within the system, he’s a pitiful nothing, unable to speak without a teleprompter, an affirmative-action ­phony doomed to inevitable defeat. Outside the system, social scientists worry that the U.S. is hardening into one of the most rigid class societies in the Western world, in which the children of the poor have less chance of escape than in France, Germany, or even England. Inside the system, the U.S. remains (to borrow the words of Senator Marco Rubio) “the only place in the world where it doesn’t matter who your parents were or where you came from.”

If I thought NSG had the application to fully discuss the article, and I include myself in that, I'd make a thread on it.

http://nymag.com/news/politics/conserva ... m-2011-11/

As someone who doesn't read Fox News, I have to say this 'outside the system' place sounds like it's just inside another little belief system. A rigid class system where the children of the poor can't ever rise above? Obama being a 'figure of imposing intellect and dignity' despite the fact he's barely gaffed less than the last guy, who those 'outside the system' routinely drew comparisons to a chimpanzee?

There also seems to be a belief that most conservative media personalities supported the birther movement, which popped up earlier in this thread. This, despite the fact Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Malkin and numerous other conservative commentators and pundits have stated either that the birth certificate question was idiotic or a poor distraction.

[Bombadil]

This is simply a brilliant article by David Frum, former speech writer for Bushito.. in which he writes..

But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics. Outside this alternative reality, the United States is a country dominated by a strong Christian religiosity. Within it, Christians are a persecuted minority. Outside the system, President Obama—whatever his policy ­errors—is a figure of imposing intellect and dignity. Within the system, he’s a pitiful nothing, unable to speak without a teleprompter, an affirmative-action ­phony doomed to inevitable defeat. Outside the system, social scientists worry that the U.S. is hardening into one of the most rigid class societies in the Western world, in which the children of the poor have less chance of escape than in France, Germany, or even England. Inside the system, the U.S. remains (to borrow the words of Senator Marco Rubio) “the only place in the world where it doesn’t matter who your parents were or where you came from.”

If I thought NSG had the application to fully discuss the article, and I include myself in that, I'd make a thread on it.

http://nymag.com/news/politics/conserva ... m-2011-11/

As someone who doesn't read Fox News, I have to say this 'outside the system' place sounds like it's just inside another little belief system. A rigid class system where the children of the poor can't ever rise above? Obama being a 'figure of imposing intellect and dignity' despite the fact he's barely gaffed less than the last guy, who those 'outside the system' routinely drew comparisons to a chimpanzee?

There also seems to be a belief that most conservative media personalities supported the birther movement, which popped up earlier in this thread. This, despite the fact Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Malkin and numerous other conservative commentators and pundits have stated either that the birth certificate question was idiotic or a poor distraction.

Perhaps read the entire article.

[Dracoria]

I have. I'm taking issue with the part you quoted in particular.

[Bombadil]

There also seems to be a belief that most conservative media personalities supported the birther movement, which popped up earlier in this thread. This, despite the fact Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Malkin and numerous other conservative commentators and pundits have stated either that the birth certificate question was idiotic or a poor distraction.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201104280017 - not that it matters.

I have. I'm taking issue with the part you quoted in particular.

If you had you wouldn't have made that comment, which was clearly one solely on the quoted text and not the context it in which it was placed.. still you can claim blue in the face you had and I don't suppose I've any means of proving it other than your response.

[Dracoria]

There also seems to be a belief that most conservative media personalities supported the birther movement, which popped up earlier in this thread. This, despite the fact Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Malkin and numerous other conservative commentators and pundits have stated either that the birth certificate question was idiotic or a poor distraction.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201104280017 - not that it matters.

I have. I'm taking issue with the part you quoted in particular.

If you had you wouldn't have made that comment, which was clearly one solely on the quoted text and not the context it in which it was placed.. still you can claim blue in the face you had and I don't suppose I've any means of proving it other than your response.

Yyyeah. Mediamatters is a site that has outright declared war on Fox, so I'm not going to consider them any more objective toward Fox than Fox is toward the president. After reading that page, I'm even less likely to consider MediaMatters to be reliable - it's simply an attack. The fact is, O'Reilly lost some viewership by telling his audience that to give up on the birth certificate.

You quoted that one section with a purpose. Given what I've seen in the past, I can only assume it's that you agree with those lines. Also, my face isn't blue, that's just a trick of the light. Still, you claim I didn't read the article in question? I merely wonder why you didn't quote any other paragraphs that, perhaps, supported your views less.

[Bombadil]

I merely wonder why you didn't quote any other paragraphs that, perhaps, supported your views less.

Such as?

I could have quoted this for context: I’ve been a Republican all my adult life. I have worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, at Forbes magazine, at the Manhattan and American Enterprise Institutes, as a speechwriter in the George W. Bush administration. I believe in free markets, low taxes, reasonable regulation, and limited government. I voted for John ­McCain in 2008, and I have strongly criticized the major policy decisions of the Obama administration. But as I contemplate my party and my movement in 2011, I see things I simply cannot support.

..but perhaps better to quote this: The business model of the conservative media is built on two elements: provoking the audience into a fever of indignation (to keep them watching) and fomenting mistrust of all other information sources (so that they never change the channel). As a commercial proposition, this model has worked brilliantly in the Obama era. As journalism, not so much.

[Grave_n_idle]

Yyyeah. Mediamatters is a site that has outright declared war on Fox, so I'm not going to consider them any more objective toward Fox than Fox is toward the president.

'Poisoning the well' is a logical fallacy. You're writing off the evidence because you don't like the source. What you really need to do is find evidence that contradicts that source.

For example, I earlier presented evidence from both Mediamatters AND the Media Research Center (left AND right wing media watchdogs) about Fox's position on the story that is the topic of the thread. You can try to write-off Mediamatters as a reliable source about the topic of the thread... but the Media Research Center backs their claims, albeit with a different slant to the reporting.

After reading that page, I'm even less likely to consider MediaMatters to be reliable - it's simply an attack. The fact is, O'Reilly lost some viewership by telling his audience that to give up on the birth certificate.

The link discussed Limbaugh and his pretence that he is not, and never has been, involved in the 'birther' phenomenon.

You want to ignore that source, because of the political alignment of MediaMatters, but the truth is - rightwing groups seem to think Limbaugh is doing the same, like the conservative Newsmax media organisation:

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/rush ... /id/383577

[Grave_n_idle]

This is simply a brilliant article by David Frum, former speech writer for Bushito.. in which he writes..

But the thought leaders on talk radio and Fox do more than shape opinion. Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics. Outside this alternative reality, the United States is a country dominated by a strong Christian religiosity. Within it, Christians are a persecuted minority. Outside the system, President Obama—whatever his policy ­errors—is a figure of imposing intellect and dignity. Within the system, he’s a pitiful nothing, unable to speak without a teleprompter, an affirmative-action ­phony doomed to inevitable defeat. Outside the system, social scientists worry that the U.S. is hardening into one of the most rigid class societies in the Western world, in which the children of the poor have less chance of escape than in France, Germany, or even England. Inside the system, the U.S. remains (to borrow the words of Senator Marco Rubio) “the only place in the world where it doesn’t matter who your parents were or where you came from.”

If I thought NSG had the application to fully discuss the article, and I include myself in that, I'd make a thread on it.

http://nymag.com/news/politics/conserva ... m-2011-11/

As someone who doesn't read Fox News, I have to say this 'outside the system' place sounds like it's just inside another little belief system. A rigid class system where the children of the poor can't ever rise above? Obama being a 'figure of imposing intellect and dignity' despite the fact he's barely gaffed less than the last guy...

Both of those sound like reasonable claims, actually.

[Oterro]

On Nationstates, being anywhere near the right-wing, no way.

it's not like there are dozen of democracy hating fascists nope

Meanwhile, any opinion not fully held by the "herd" is openly heckled,

Someone debating your opinion's validity? Heckling. It's harassment. Absolutely disgraceful. How dare people discuss politics on a political discussion forum. Makes me sick so it does.

and the poster attacked personally,

People are only arseholes to conservatives. No one in the cushy left wing club is insulted. Disgusting isn't it.

and the argument not taken seriously,

Dumb as shit arguments being by and large dismissed, I tell you. What is the world coming to.

with responses from opposition degrading to " ".

Don't forget Sibirsky's

Well, In a sea of far worse liberals, Fox News is a last beacon of hope for conservatives

It makes us laugh at you.

[Flameswroth]

Is there any way to defend it? Is there any way that Fox can actually spin this as anything other than ideological dishonesty?

They can always pull a History Channel, 'Ancient Aliens' trump card. They can say all sorts of baseless, speculative shit on that show for entertainment value and they get away with it on a channel based on actual history.

'Was this man an 'Occupy' shooter? And if he was, what was his motive? According to modern 'Occupy' theorists, the answer may lie in the makeshift housing of the 'Occupy' movement'...

"We searched high and low, and we couldn't find a single scrap of evidence that he was or was not attached to the 'Occupy' movement. We just don't know!"

'With 'Occupy' gunmen roving the streets, can we really say they come in peace? Or are their motives...more sinister? Do they take orders from the unions? Or are their leaders extraterrestrial in origin? If modern 'Occupy' theorists are correct, the answers are a resounding 'yes' and 'yes'!'