Israel should do whatever she wants with muslims

[Crabulonia]

Presumptiously thinking that because I don't want to fellate Ariel Sharon that I must support the exact opposite. You're argument is invalid.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." - Ariel Sharon

Who is more dangerous here? Someone calling for the extermination of about 6 million innocent people or someone thinking that them and their people are above the law? If you think the latter, then you my friend, will be on a real steep learning kerb later in life.

Who is who here?

If you carefully pick through everything I said I doubt you'll find a bit where I call for anyone's extermination. You however profess to agree with the OP who says that all Muslims who step in Israel's way should be exterminated and Israel not held responsible.

Actually, you support both.

[Jafas United]

I agree with the poster 100%.

The Arabs in Israel have more freedoms and a higher standard of living than in any Arab country. The Arabs in Israel are treated equally (whether they be Christian, Muslim or Jew) to the Hebrews and their freedoms are guaranteed under the constitution. Women in Israel are the most liberated in the Middle East. It is a simple fact that those peace loving lefites seem to ignore.

Plus, Israel is the only homeland for Jews. They are surrounded by enemies who just want them dead. All they want is just one homeland to live in peace. Is that asking for too much? For the leftists, it seems the answer is yes.

The sad thing is, the OP is obviously trolling.
You're actually serious about this.

Because it is true. If I were an Arab Muslim, I would much rather live in Israel than any other Middle Eastern country. And I'm talking about the better part of Israel, not Gaza, the West Bank or Golan Heights.

[Lackadaisical2]

I hate it when nationalist conflicts get turned into religious ones. For fuck's sake, this isn't an issue of Islam vs. Judaism. Foreign settlers came into Palestine, and essentially took over, and then they kicked most of the Arab population out.

Many of the leaders of the Palestinian national resistance were not Muslim in faith. Indeed, the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, George Hamad, was an atheist who was raised as a Christian. And much of initial national resistance had the same goal as the Israeli left: a multi-national worker's state.

What passed for Zionism 1948 would be denounced as Anti-Zionist Anti-Semitism today. The discourse on Israel is seriously fucked up, and it's because they're brown people. You can't avoid that unfortunate implication. No one gives a fuck because Jews have been made honorary white people, and Arabs are still brown untermenschen.

So what you're saying is we need to kill most the Arabs, and then they get to be white too?

[Jafas United]

Who is more dangerous here? Someone calling for the extermination of about 6 million innocent people or someone thinking that them and their people are above the law? If you think the latter, then you my friend, will be on a real steep learning kerb later in life.

Who is who here?

If you carefully pick through everything I said I doubt you'll find a bit where I call for anyone's extermination. You however profess to agree with the OP who says that all Muslims who step in Israel's way should be exterminated and Israel not held responsible.

Actually, you support both.

No, I don't support extermination of Muslims. I support an Independent Israeli state without having to deal with lunatics who want them dead. I only mean agreeing with the OP on their points about why Israel should exist.

[ZombieRothbard]

Whenever you see fascists supporting something, it is pretty much safe to say that it is wrong.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Although they are still brainwashing children
Take a look at this. The people reviewing it may be comedians but the radicals shown are certainly not. So don't pay attention to the comedic side of this, pay attention to what is actually being shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzuG_-O2o

You are aware that the US was just as bad in the Cold War with their not anti-Russian propaganda, but anti-communist propaganda?
Brainwashing kids to your point of view is nothing new.

[Baltenstein]

Whenever you see fascists supporting something, it is pretty much safe to say that it is wrong.

That's right, fuck kittens.

[Jafas United]

Who is more dangerous here? Someone calling for the extermination of about 6 million innocent people or someone thinking that them and their people are above the law? If you think the latter, then you my friend, will be on a real steep learning kerb later in life.

Who is who here?

If you carefully pick through everything I said I doubt you'll find a bit where I call for anyone's extermination. You however profess to agree with the OP who says that all Muslims who step in Israel's way should be exterminated and Israel not held responsible.

Actually, you support both.

No, I do not. I do not agree with the OP's remarks stating the annihilation of Muslims. I only agreed with their points as to why Israel should exist.
Plus, I never said you were calling for the extermination of Jews. I just pointed out that it isn't that much for there to be one Jewish homeland and that most of the Arab countries, if not all would love to see another Holocaust be put upon the Jews.

[Munathanura]

Iran =/= the majority of the Muslim, and Hamas hasn't used the only charter since it came to power.



That's my point. Israel isn't using WP on their own people, or building walls that separate them from work, loved ones and traditional land. They are not preventing their people from getting adequate food, water and medical supplies, and they are not forcibly removing their own people from their homes so that others with dubious claims can move in. They are, however, doing this to the Palestinians, which means that the Palestinians are not being treated equal. That said, I don't see any change in behaviour if the Palestinian government was in control, just a switch of targets from Palestinians to Jews.

Although they are still brainwashing children
Take a look at this. The people reviewing it may be comedians but the radicals shown are certainly not. So don't pay attention to the comedic side of this, pay attention to what is actually being shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzuG_-O2o

The sad thing is that the mouse getting attacked by the Mossad and the bee dying after being shot by the Israeli's is pretty much reality.

[Jafas United]

Although they are still brainwashing children
Take a look at this. The people reviewing it may be comedians but the radicals shown are certainly not. So don't pay attention to the comedic side of this, pay attention to what is actually being shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzuG_-O2o

You are aware that the US was just as bad in the Cold War with their not anti-Russian propaganda, but anti-communist propaganda?
Brainwashing kids to your point of view is nothing new.

What, so you're saying communism is a good thing?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

You are aware that the US was just as bad in the Cold War with their not anti-Russian propaganda, but anti-communist propaganda?
Brainwashing kids to your point of view is nothing new.

What, so you're saying communism is a good thing?

I like the fact you're trying to shift the conversation just because I mentioned communism.

[Jafas United]

What, so you're saying communism is a good thing?

I like the fact you're trying to shift the conversation just because I mentioned communism.

No, I'm not, I'm happy to talk about Israel.

[Jafas United]

Although they are still brainwashing children
Take a look at this. The people reviewing it may be comedians but the radicals shown are certainly not. So don't pay attention to the comedic side of this, pay attention to what is actually being shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzuG_-O2o

The sad thing is that the mouse getting attacked by the Mossad and the bee dying after being shot by the Israeli's is pretty much reality.

Take a look at this then. This is just as crazy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAmuZHsD ... re=related

[Munathanura]

Who is who here?

If you carefully pick through everything I said I doubt you'll find a bit where I call for anyone's extermination. You however profess to agree with the OP who says that all Muslims who step in Israel's way should be exterminated and Israel not held responsible.

Actually, you support both.

No, I do not. I do not agree with the OP's remarks stating the annihilation of Muslims. I only agreed with their points as to why Israel should exist.
Plus, I never said you were calling for the extermination of Jews. I just pointed out that it isn't that much for there to be one Jewish homeland and that most of the Arab countries, if not all would love to see another Holocaust be put upon the Jews.

Most Arab countries, barring Iran and perhaps Syria would be perfectly happy if a two state solution could be reached. Unfortunately, there is a very powerful group of right wing individuals in Israel who are calling for a one state solution and who are undermining the peace process. In effect, there are some very influential people in Israel who would very much like to see the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and who probably wouldn't care about a genocide, either.

[Crabulonia]

Who is who here?

If you carefully pick through everything I said I doubt you'll find a bit where I call for anyone's extermination. You however profess to agree with the OP who says that all Muslims who step in Israel's way should be exterminated and Israel not held responsible.

Actually, you support both.

No, I don't support extermination of Muslims. I support an Independent Israeli state without having to deal with lunatics who want them dead. I only mean agreeing with the OP on their points about why Israel should exist.

Oh, you don't like it when people assume your political views? Odd, you seemed to have no qualms about assuming mine.

At heart we want similar things, though I think the two-state solution is better and Israel should learn to play nicely, but you want to manage it using white phosphorus and I'd prefer to deal with it by tackling key social and economic problems. If Palestine was an economically viable state, accepted in the international world to the same degree as Israel - you know they've committed less human rights violations right? - and basically treated like they actually exist, maybe they would have less reason to lash out and fire some rockets off?

Just a thought.

[Angleter]

No, they shouldn't.



Palestinians aren't Israel's "own people". Arabs in Israel are doing more or less fine, and of course tend to be better off overall than their neighbours in Arab countries, the PA included.

Don't you understand? Palestine doesn't exist anymore. It's a series of camps and closed communities guarded by Israel.

They're effectively concentration camps and ghettos.

Concentration camps do not tend to have inmate-elected governments and legislatures, complete with legal system, security, bureaucracy, welfare, etc., all given large sums of aid from various governments across the world and afforded in effect a seat at the UN. Makes Ford Open Prison look like a right nasty place.

Of course, Gaza is fully Palestinian in the first place, so the above situation only applies to the West Bank, and is one where restrictions are present for the sake of Israeli security and for bargaining at the final peace- a final peace that was meant to have happened in 2000 and given the Palestinians freedom, but Yasser Arafat wasn't having any of that.

[ZombieRothbard]

You are aware that the US was just as bad in the Cold War with their not anti-Russian propaganda, but anti-communist propaganda?
Brainwashing kids to your point of view is nothing new.

What, so you're saying communism is a good thing?

Red-baiting people who are intelligent enough to see the hypocrisy in U.S. foreign policy is Cold War chic

[GreaterPacificNations]

I hate it when nationalist conflicts get turned into religious ones. For fuck's sake, this isn't an issue of Islam vs. Judaism. Foreign settlers came into Palestine, and essentially took over, and then they kicked most of the Arab population out.

Many of the leaders of the Palestinian national resistance were not Muslim in faith. Indeed, the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, George Hamad, was an atheist who was raised as a Christian. And much of initial national resistance had the same goal as the Israeli left: a multi-national worker's state.

What passed for Zionism 1948 would be denounced as Anti-Zionist Anti-Semitism today. The discourse on Israel is seriously fucked up, and it's because they're brown people. You can't avoid that unfortunate implication. No one gives a fuck because Jews have been made honorary white people, and Arabs are still brown untermenschen.

^This. Though I'd be curious to hear what you solution is?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Whenever you see fascists supporting something, it is pretty much safe to say that it is wrong.

That's right, fuck kittens.

That's sig'd, it's hilarious.

[Angleter]

I hate it when nationalist conflicts get turned into religious ones. For fuck's sake, this isn't an issue of Islam vs. Judaism. Foreign settlers came into Palestine, and essentially took over, and then they kicked most of the Arab population out.

Many of the leaders of the Palestinian national resistance were not Muslim in faith. Indeed, the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, George Hamad, was an atheist who was raised as a Christian. And much of initial national resistance had the same goal as the Israeli left: a multi-national worker's state.

What passed for Zionism 1948 would be denounced as Anti-Zionist Anti-Semitism today. The discourse on Israel is seriously fucked up, and it's because they're brown people. You can't avoid that unfortunate implication. No one gives a fuck because Jews have been made honorary white people, and Arabs are still brown untermenschen.

So what you're saying is we need to kill most the Arabs, and then they get to be white too?

No, just give the West Bank and Gaza to King Whitey of Jordan.

[Munathanura]

The sad thing is that the mouse getting attacked by the Mossad and the bee dying after being shot by the Israeli's is pretty much reality.

Take a look at this then. This is just as crazy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAmuZHsD ... re=related

"Welcome to Middle East TV, a new segment where we take a look at some of the more extremist programs from Arab nations."

The bolded part is relevant. You can't just watch the equivalent of a skin-head militia group's propaganda video and apply it to a variety of different countries.

[Tsaraine]

No, just give the West Bank and Gaza to King Whitey of Jordan.

"NO DIRECT PHOTO ACCESS ALLOWED, SO GO BACK AND VIEW THE IMAGE IN THE POST."

Here's an image that probably won't get non-hot-linked.

[The Bread Sultan]

The sad thing is, the OP is obviously trolling.
You're actually serious about this.

Hmm it is a farily obvious troll,
Though as a holocaust denying anti-semite
I firmly believe that we can have a quick and lasting peace by getting rid of Israel completely -

and then getting rid of Palestine.
then we do what parts of the US did in the 50's - but more extreme

Forced Integration.
Every street house shall be re-alocated. israeli - palistinian - israeli - palistinian
right to the point where kids sit in classrooms

then within 2 generations the whole issue will be gone.

or alternatively we could just kill the fucking mad as a brush extremists on each side.
Having actually been to both bits, and had sex with both lots of their women.
I can confirm that actually most people on both sides think it's all a giant bunch of balls.
and most israeli's would actually disagree with the Troll OP statement.

There is a lot of paranoia - and politco scum bags who's parties are almost entirely funded by foreigners play up to this and create a very conservative and suspicious political atmosphere, where anyone actually saying anything remotely sensible such as
"hey guy's how about we just chill the fuck out some"
gets ostrasized and politically raped almost instantly

[Risottia]

Israel should be able to freely exterminate any threats to her national security, as Israel has historically been under constant threat by Muslims who want to exterminate the Jews. Therefore, Israel should be able to defend herself against anyone who threatens Israel's existence, and neutralize those threats.

I should be able to freely exterminate any threat to my security, as everyone in the West has historically been under constant threat by fascists, ultra-right-wingers, christian extremists and warmongers. This includes you and your likes.

1. Israel is the most civilized, modern country in the Middle East.

No, that would be Turkey.

[Schwabenreich]

1. Israel is the most civilized, modern country in the Middle East.
2. Israel has more freedom and prosperity than any Muslim country.
3. Israel helps keep the rest of the world safe by fighting Muslim jihadists.
4. Israel is the one and only sanctuary for the long-persecuted Jewish people, on land that is sacred to the Jews.

I'd be willing to argue that Israel compares unfavorably with Türkiye. While I may be wrong, atm I'm more inclined to phrase your opening post as this:

1. Türkiye is the most civilized, modern country in the Middle East.
2. Israel has more freedom and prosperity than almost any Muslim country with perhaps the exception of Türkiye.
3. Israel helps keep the Muslim jihadists agitated.
4. Israel is one of the three sanctuaries for the long-persecuted Jewish people, on land that is sacred to the abrahamic faiths. The two other sanctuaries being New York and L.A.

Not to mention Israel is far less prosperous in the occupied palestinian regions and their freedoms are terribly limited. It doesn't compare favorably with the leading islamic nations when you take that into account. Also as far as prosperity goes, lets see what happens with some of its regional competition if they recieved the same foreign support it did over the next sixty years.