Your stance on gay marriage

[Cthag-antil]

I had drinks with a couple of gay friends yesterday. Drinking with gays does not make you gay. Oddly, one of my gay friends is really very uncomfortable around the effeminately type you mentioned.
.

I didnt suggest it did...however alcohol lessens inhibitions...it is after all a mind bending drug.

After a few too many I am anyone's...

Which is why I dont drink much...

I am the effiminate type I mentioned...except I am not gay...per se...not by definition...I was never confused....

[Samuraikoku]

Cuz theyre special they get something different? idk

For the billionth time in this thread, marriage is a civil right both homosexuals and heterosexuals have and it is protected by the Constitution, be it America, Argentina, or any country that has respect for civil rights and the rule of law. And that means that homosexuals have a right to be married, and their union will be called "marriage" as will the union between a man and a woman. They are NOT special and they get NOTHING different.

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P.S.: If anyone needs me, I'll be shooting some hoops at the court.

[Keronians]

I don't recall that happening in 2009, when abortion was illegal.

what are you on about? 2009?

Anyway, this is about gay marriage. My bad for mentioning abortion.

ayup not an abortion thread.

We were talking about Spain, where abortion was legalised for the first trimester in June last year.

Anyway, enough with the threadjack.

[The Romulan Republic]

However, I do not think Churches should be forced to perform gay marriages.

And, for the billionth time in this thread, that wouldn't happen with the legalization of homosexual marriage. Its not an issue at all here, as churches in the United States, at least, have never been forced to provide marriage services.

I never said it would happen, least of all in the US specifically. But I dare you to deny some people want it, and I'm fairly sure its the case in some parts of the world. So its a relevant issue.

Don't strawman.

[The Halbetan Union]

Some people are naturally born gay? That draws up two questions:
a) Are there gay people who were not born gay?

Likely.

b) Are there people who just wake up one morning and say "Gee. I think I'll be gay today."?

Yes.

[Cthag-antil]

Some people are naturally born gay? That draws up two questions:
a) Are there gay people who were not born gay?

Likely.

b) Are there people who just wake up one morning and say "Gee. I think I'll be gay today."?

Yes.

If sexuality is a spectrum then we would expect to find all manner of wavelengths...or colours .
Perhaps we should dismiss such rigid inflexible labels...and just say that everyone has a unique fingerprint sexuality, a summary of degrees of inclinations (or repulsions) to each gender and perhaps other polarised factors such as submissiveness and dominance or age and youth.

How this sexuality comes about for me is partly nature (genotypal expression) and environment AND the circumstantial choices made...incremental choices that over time reinforce or perhaps regress a natual disposition/indisposition.

I dunno...this is all my own thought...no references,

[Ceannairceach]

And, for the billionth time in this thread, that wouldn't happen with the legalization of homosexual marriage. Its not an issue at all here, as churches in the United States, at least, have never been forced to provide marriage services.

I never said it would happen, least of all in the US specifically. But I dare you to deny some people want it, and I'm fairly sure its the case in some parts of the world. So its a relevant issue.

Don't strawman.

Those that want it are a minority, I would bet, unless you have proof to the contrary. Do you have any sources declaring that some states, nations or entities force religious institutions to perform homosexual marriages?

[The Halbetan Union]

Likely.



Yes.

If sexuality is a spectrum then we would expect to find all manner of wavelengths...or colours .
Perhaps we should dismiss such rigid inflexible labels...and just say that everyone has a unique fingerprint sexuality, a summary of degrees of inclinations (or repulsions) to each gender and perhaps other polarised factors such as submissiveness and dominance or age and youth.

How this sexuality comes about for me is partly nature (genotypal expression) and environment AND the circumstantial choices made...incremental choices that over time reinforce or perhaps regress a natual disposition/indisposition.

I dunno...this is all my own thought...no references,

People are under no obligation to peruse their natural preferences, and can fall in love and marry someone and have a completely platonic (or not) relationship. I don't find it hard to believe that someone can choose their sexuality. It may not be honest, but it's still theirs to choose.

[DaWoad]

Why? Where's the equality?

Cuz theyre special they get something different? idk

they're just people and, as such, should have the same rights as other people including to marry the consenting adult that they want to.

[Cthag-antil]

If sexuality is a spectrum then we would expect to find all manner of wavelengths...or colours .
Perhaps we should dismiss such rigid inflexible labels...and just say that everyone has a unique fingerprint sexuality, a summary of degrees of inclinations (or repulsions) to each gender and perhaps other polarised factors such as submissiveness and dominance or age and youth.

How this sexuality comes about for me is partly nature (genotypal expression) and environment AND the circumstantial choices made...incremental choices that over time reinforce or perhaps regress a natual disposition/indisposition.

I dunno...this is all my own thought...no references,

People are under no obligation to peruse their natural preferences, and can fall in love and marry someone and have a completely platonic (or not) relationship. I don't find it hard to believe that someone can choose their sexuality. It may not be honest, but it's still theirs to choose.

Well partly up to a point I agree with you.
But I think nature and environment have much more effect than you seem to give them credit.

I am sure that you are not suggesting that the majority of homosexuals have chosen to be gay..are you?

[The Halbetan Union]

Well partly up to a point I agree with you.
But I think nature and environment have much more effect than you seem to give them credit.

I give environment plenty of credit, nature not so much.

I am sure that you are not suggesting that the majority of homosexuals have chosen to be gay..are you?

No.

[The Romulan Republic]

Those that want it are a minority, I would bet, unless you have proof to the contrary.

I don't, but I never claimed they were a majority.

You are asking me to defend a claim I never made.

Do you have any sources declaring that some states, nations or entities force religious institutions to perform homosexual marriages?

Not at present. I recall hearing about it previously, but I'll have to do some more Googling to confirm it.

[Ceannairceach]

I don't, but I never claimed they were a majority.

You are asking me to defend a claim I never made.

I never said you claimed that position, simply that I won't believe that any large number of homosexual-marriage supporters want to force religious organizations to marry homosexuals unless given proof.

Not at present. I recall hearing about it previously, but I'll have to do some more Googling to confirm it.

So you are basing that more on a rumor than actual fact?

[Tmutarakhan]

And, for the billionth time in this thread, that wouldn't happen with the legalization of homosexual marriage. Its not an issue at all here, as churches in the United States, at least, have never been forced to provide marriage services.

I never said it would happen, least of all in the US specifically. But I dare you to deny some people want it

I'll take that dare. I can't find anybody who wants such a thing. The closest I could find to that was someone in Sweden suggesting, for purely trollish purposes, that if Lutheran ministers were agents of the state, they should have to take all comers: but what he really wanted, of course, was the end of state support to the Lutheran church (and, it should be noted, the press uproar over his comments imploded his little leftist party, which had held a couple seats but lost them all).

I'm fairly sure its the case in some parts of the world.

I'm entirely sure it isn't.

[Xiran]

I dont like it, but if some people i knew did a gay mariage i wouldnt ruined it or anything.

[Morgannas]

The issue of Gay Marriage has nothing to do with religion it is about couples being able to have same rights under the law such as inheritance, hospital visitation, insurance and the like. People who don't understand that need to look at the fact that a couple can get drunk and married in Vegas and suddenly a partner can apply for citizenship and the other benefits that spouses enjoy.

[Grave_n_idle]

But getting government out of marriage does not "protect" it in any way. On the contrary even - since there are religions out there that promote polygamous marriages, gay marriages, childmarriages, arranged mariages etc. etc. - and all would have the exact same right to call their little ceremony "marriage".

So that would be silly

It's a pathetic attempt to appease the bigots.

But why should we appease the bigots? What's wrong with gay marriage?

The sad thing is that I know that next year when PP comes to power, they're going to try to criminalise gay marriage, but I hope that that won't fly with the Spanish public.

They'll also probably criminalise abortion again, but that I don't mind.

Where abortion is illegal, infanticide increases.

Why do you want babies to be murdered?

[Grave_n_idle]

"Rub it in [your] face"?

When gays get married, it is a tradition that they rub their penises or vaginas on straight people.

Ooh, really?

Is there a newsletter I can subscribe to?

[Grave_n_idle]

I had drinks with a couple of gay friends yesterday. Drinking with gays does not make you gay. Oddly, one of my gay friends is really very uncomfortable around the effeminately type you mentioned.
.

I didnt suggest it did...however alcohol lessens inhibitions...it is after all a mind bending drug.

After a few too many I am anyone's...

Which is why I dont drink much...

I am the effiminate type I mentioned...except I am not gay...per se...not by definition...I was never confused....

I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you posted previously that you were conflicted at some point, with some guy, just recently?

Don't make me go digging through old posts.

[German Democratic Republic (Ancient)]

it in your face like making out in front of you

[Dusk_Kittens]

Likely.



Yes.

If sexuality is a spectrum then we would expect to find all manner of wavelengths...or colours .
Perhaps we should dismiss such rigid inflexible labels...and just say that everyone has a unique fingerprint sexuality, a summary of degrees of inclinations (or repulsions) to each gender and perhaps other polarised factors such as submissiveness and dominance or age and youth.

How this sexuality comes about for me is partly nature (genotypal expression) and environment AND the circumstantial choices made...incremental choices that over time reinforce or perhaps regress a natual disposition/indisposition.

I dunno...this is all my own thought...no references,

Some people are gay because of who they are. These are born gay.

Some people are gay because of what they do. These were not born gay.

I learned this as a chaplain intern at a juvenile detention facility. Some people just are gay; they were born that way. Some people, after experiencing gay sex, decide they like it; they weren't born gay, but they choose to be gay.

For those born gay, the only choice they make is to not be a hypocrite pretending to be something they are not.

[Vorond]

When gays get married, it is a tradition that they rub their penises or vaginas on straight people.

Ooh, really?

Is there a newsletter I can subscribe to?

Here's how it works:

[DaWoad]

it in your face like making out in front of you

*shrugs* why would you care? I mean I wouldn't really enjoy watching any couple making out in front of me but it's no worse if the couple's gay.

[Santhene]

If sexuality is a spectrum then we would expect to find all manner of wavelengths...or colours .
Perhaps we should dismiss such rigid inflexible labels...and just say that everyone has a unique fingerprint sexuality, a summary of degrees of inclinations (or repulsions) to each gender and perhaps other polarised factors such as submissiveness and dominance or age and youth.

How this sexuality comes about for me is partly nature (genotypal expression) and environment AND the circumstantial choices made...incremental choices that over time reinforce or perhaps regress a natual disposition/indisposition.

I dunno...this is all my own thought...no references,

People are under no obligation to peruse their natural preferences, and can fall in love and marry someone and have a completely platonic (or not) relationship. I don't find it hard to believe that someone can choose their sexuality. It may not be honest, but it's still theirs to choose.

Really? Are you arguing homosexuality is a choice?

[Santhene]

Ooh, really?

Is there a newsletter I can subscribe to?

Here's how it works:

"My God! If these diagrams are correct, we will soon have an epidemic of gay people! Warn the President!"
"Yes sir, right away!!!"
"God speed, son, God speed."