Your stance on gay marriage

[Scientific socks]

2. Humans are the exception to determine what is natural. This is due to advanced technology. You are deliberately failing to understand the definition of natural because you are determined to allow gay marriage regardless of what the public may want

Because what is or isn't natural is totally relevant to who should legally be allowed to get married.

Yes

I already answered that earlier by mentioning culture, religion and the requirement for reproduction. If there is any respect in you for social norms, religion or even nature you would be try and find a more acceptable approach than altering someone elses religious beliefs.

[Farnhamia]

Because what is or isn't natural is totally relevant to who should legally be allowed to get married.

Yes

I already answered that earlier by mentioning culture, religion and the requirement for reproduction. If there is any respect in you for social norms, religion or even nature you would be try and find a more acceptable approach than altering someone elses religious beliefs.

Who's altering anyone's religious beliefs? It would be nice if people grew out of them, but advocates of gay marriage do not propose anything of the sort. All we want are the same benefits and privileges and responsibilities that straight people get from being married. No more and no less. Civil rights are not finite: if I get ones that are currently denied me, that does not mean that someone else's rights are diminished.

[Ifreann]

Because what is or isn't natural is totally relevant to who should legally be allowed to get married.

Yes

I already answered that earlier by mentioning culture, religion and the requirement for reproduction. If there is any respect in you for social norms, religion or even nature you would be try and find a more acceptable approach than altering someone elses religious beliefs.

I'm not trying to alter anyone's religious beliefs. I'm talking about the legal institution of marriage, that thing defined by laws, not religious beliefs. I don't even see any need to change that. Just allow people greater access to it.

But since it's natural(supposedly) for a man and a woman to enter into a legal relationship, as defined and recognised by their government, but not natural for a man and man or woman and woman to enter that same legal relationship, then obviously the law must not be changed, because the law is and has always been controlled by what is natural and somehow what people's religious beliefs are.

[Gay Mobby]

Dear gay people,

America doesn't like you. Let's face it. Just leave the country and come to Belgium.

We became the second country in the world to legally recognize same-sex marriage.
We have a fine free healthcare system for all, which is nice when you develop Aids.
We have a flurish fashion industry: Dries Van Noten, Walter Van Beirendonck, Ann Demeulemeester, Dirk Van Saene, Dirk Bikkembergs, Marina Yee.
You can drive around in a VW Beetle or a Golf an no one will laugh with you.
We have excellent gay clubs and our city parks are famous around the world.

We have it all. American gay friends, just leave your weird country and come to Belgium.

[Samuraikoku]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

No adrian, he didn't.

So? The States have the autonomy to regulate marriage, but the right for homosexual people to marry is still protected by the Constitution as a basic civil right, so all States should allow it.

Yes Adrian, he did.

[Ifreann]

Dear gay people,

America doesn't like you. Let's face it. Just leave the country and come to Belgium.

We became the second country in the world to legally recognize same-sex marriage.
We have a fine free healthcare system for all, which is nice when you develop Aids.
We have a flurish fashion industry: Dries Van Noten, Walter Van Beirendonck, Ann Demeulemeester, Dirk Van Saene, Dirk Bikkembergs, Marina Yee.
You can drive around in a VW Beetle or a Golf an no one will laugh with you.
We have excellent gay clubs and our city parks are famous around the world.

We have it all. American gay friends, just leave your weird country and come to Belgium.

Shouldn't you be busy getting yourself a government?

[Tekania]

This...

But they aren't spouses,

contradicts this...

they carry out the marriage

If they "carry out the marriage" then they are, by definition, spouses until such time as they separate.

[Farnhamia]

Dear gay people,

America doesn't like you. Let's face it. Just leave the country and come to Belgium.

We became the second country in the world to legally recognize same-sex marriage.
We have a fine free healthcare system for all, which is nice when you develop Aids.
We have a flurish fashion industry: Dries Van Noten, Walter Van Beirendonck, Ann Demeulemeester, Dirk Van Saene, Dirk Bikkembergs, Marina Yee.
You can drive around in a VW Beetle or a Golf an no one will laugh with you.
We have excellent gay clubs and our city parks are famous around the world.

We have it all. American gay friends, just leave your weird country and come to Belgium.

Dear Belgium, Thanks but I prefer to work here to change things rather than give up and move to a country mostly famous for being in the way when more powerful European countries decide to have a war. Appreciate the offer, though.

[Gay Mobby]

Dear gay people,

America doesn't like you. Let's face it. Just leave the country and come to Belgium.

We became the second country in the world to legally recognize same-sex marriage.
We have a fine free healthcare system for all, which is nice when you develop Aids.
We have a flurish fashion industry: Dries Van Noten, Walter Van Beirendonck, Ann Demeulemeester, Dirk Van Saene, Dirk Bikkembergs, Marina Yee.
You can drive around in a VW Beetle or a Golf an no one will laugh with you.
We have excellent gay clubs and our city parks are famous around the world.

We have it all. American gay friends, just leave your weird country and come to Belgium.

Shouldn't you be busy getting yourself a government?

We have a government, so we are not in a hurry.

[Sarzonia]

I think heterosexuals can't be trusted with the sanctity of marriage, particularly those folks who espouse "family values" while banging any chick or dude on the down low.

Seriously, I'm adamantly in favour of same-sex marriage. To quote Justice Anthony Kennedy, "a state cannot deem a class of persons a stranger to its laws." Nor can the United States.

[Gay Mobby]

Dear gay people,

America doesn't like you. Let's face it. Just leave the country and come to Belgium.

We became the second country in the world to legally recognize same-sex marriage.
We have a fine free healthcare system for all, which is nice when you develop Aids.
We have a flurish fashion industry: Dries Van Noten, Walter Van Beirendonck, Ann Demeulemeester, Dirk Van Saene, Dirk Bikkembergs, Marina Yee.
You can drive around in a VW Beetle or a Golf an no one will laugh with you.
We have excellent gay clubs and our city parks are famous around the world.

We have it all. American gay friends, just leave your weird country and come to Belgium.

Dear Belgium, Thanks but I prefer to work here to change things rather than give up and move to a country mostly famous for being in the way when more powerful European countries decide to have a war. Appreciate the offer, though.

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

[UCUMAY]

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

America averages a war every 15-20 years.

[Gay Mobby]

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

America averages a war every 15-20 years minutes.

That's better.

[Samuraikoku]

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

Problem is American territory hasn't been invaded since the Independence War.

[Tekania]

Because what is or isn't natural is totally relevant to who should legally be allowed to get married.

Yes

I already answered that earlier by mentioning culture, religion and the requirement for reproduction. If there is any respect in you for social norms, religion or even nature you would be try and find a more acceptable approach than altering someone elses religious beliefs.

No one is "altering someone elses religious beliefs", they are perfectly fine privately believing what-ever-the-fuck they want to believe, because while people have the right to religious belief, that right ceases to exist when it attempts to impose religiously based ideas into the civil law, because when you do that, guess what? You're using the force of law to "alter someone elses religious beleifs". This is something you're going to constantly falter on, because you know what? You don't give a flying fuck about "freedom of religion" or "religious liberty", it's a fucking excuse on your part... "Freedom of religion" and "religious liberty" would be grounds for NOT imposing such religious ideas into the civil law.

[Xsyne]

Dear Belgium, Thanks but I prefer to work here to change things rather than give up and move to a country mostly famous for being in the way when more powerful European countries decide to have a war. Appreciate the offer, though.

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

1945.

[Gay Mobby]

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

Problem is American territory hasn't been invaded since the Independence War.

We didn't suffer from a 9/11.

[Ifreann]

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

Problem is American territory hasn't been invaded since the Independence War.

Didn't the Canadians burn down the White House? Or does that not count for some reason?

[Samuraikoku]

No one is "altering someone elses religious beliefs", they are perfectly fine privately believing what-ever-the-fuck they want to believe, because while people have the right to religious belief, that right ceases to exist when it attempts to impose religiously based ideas into the civil law, because when you do that, guess what? You're using the force of law to "alter someone elses religious beleifs". This is something you're going to constantly falter on, because you know what? You don't give a flying fuck about "freedom of religion" or "religious liberty", it's a fucking excuse on your part... "Freedom of religion" and "religious liberty" would be grounds for NOT imposing such religious ideas into the civil law.

Yet conservative right-wing crybabies use "freedom of religion" as the knife they stick in people's back to hinder their civil rights.

[Farnhamia]

Dear Belgium, Thanks but I prefer to work here to change things rather than give up and move to a country mostly famous for being in the way when more powerful European countries decide to have a war. Appreciate the offer, though.

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

No, the last time you were invaded was in the 1940s. And what are those 507 Belgian soldiers doing in Afghanistan?

[Farnhamia]

Problem is American territory hasn't been invaded since the Independence War.

Didn't the Canadians burn down the White House? Or does that not count for some reason?

Canadians? It was British regulars. The Canadians were still learning English.

And enough threadjack. I just found Mobby's post a little too smarmy, is all.

[Ifreann]

We had our last war in 1945. And you?

No, the last time you were invaded was in the 1940s. And what are those 507 Belgian soldiers doing in Afghanistan?

Convincing gay American soldiers to come home with them.

[Ifreann]

Didn't the Canadians burn down the White House? Or does that not count for some reason?

Canadians? It was British regulars. The Canadians were still learning English.

You don't need to speak English to use fire. There are French instructions on the back.

[Samuraikoku]

Problem is American territory hasn't been invaded since the Independence War.

Didn't the Canadians burn down the White House? Or does that not count for some reason?

When did that happen?

[Ifreann]

Didn't the Canadians burn down the White House? Or does that not count for some reason?

When did that happen?

I don't really know, it sounds like something I heard about happening. And in my experience, that's much more fun than actual history.