Should Joseph Stalin be canonized?

[Wolfmanne]

This issue is a bit old, but I just wanting to bring this up. About a year ago, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation petition the Orthodox church in St.Petersburg to have Stalin canonized (which means that he will become a saint). During the Second World War, he made a deal with the Orthodox church in which he give them back their power in exchange for backing from the church. The CPRF proposed that Stalin be made a saint if he won the greatest Russian in history poll a few year ago. The poll was instead won by a mediaeval leader named Alexander Nevsky. But should Stalin have been made a saint?

Canonize Hitler as well for ensuring that Germany has a large Christian population. Seriously, this guy isn't even Christian yet you wish to canonize him... lolwut?

[Samuraikoku]

Canonize Hitler as well for ensuring that Germany has a large Christian population. Seriously, this guy isn't even Christian yet you wish to canonize him... lolwut?

Wasn't Hitler an atheist as well?

[Tokyoni]

If Stalin was an Orthodox Saint, I'd consider joining. haha.

Praying to Stalin would be incredibly epic, ne?

[Ferrond]

He killed millions, and your biggest problem with the idea of him becoming a saint is that he didn't practice the religion?

Lots of people on NS don't actually accept that aspect of history, dismissing it as western anti-soviet propaganda. It's usually best to avoid that shit storm mate.

Really? Talking about sheep

[Goldsaver]

He killed millions, and your biggest problem with the idea of him becoming a saint is that he didn't practice the religion?

Lots of people on NS don't actually accept that aspect of history, dismissing it as western anti-soviet propaganda. It's usually best to avoid that shit storm mate.

I've been in arguments about that topic on NS before; though I won't argue on this specific topic, I will say that I don't really care if people choose to ignore history and replace it with something that better suits their world view.

He killed millions, and your biggest problem with the idea of him becoming a saint is that he didn't practice the religion?

You know how churches can be, sometimes the actions don't matter as much as faith.

Yeah, I know the guy killed millions. I am no Soviet. LOL

The entire idea of him becoming a saint just doesn't make sense at any point.

[Naurobia]

Of course NOT

[Samuraikoku]

Lots of people on NS don't actually accept that aspect of history, dismissing it as western anti-soviet propaganda. It's usually best to avoid that shit storm mate.

Really? Talking about sheep

You know how Soviets can get...

[BrightonBurg]

If you by canonized mean putting his corpse in a cannon and shooting, then yes.

/Thread win

[Goldsaver]

Canonize Hitler as well for ensuring that Germany has a large Christian population. Seriously, this guy isn't even Christian yet you wish to canonize him... lolwut?

Wasn't Hitler an atheist as well?

He publicly said he was Christan, and he said that he was Protestant specifically IIRC, though he was either an Atheist or a Pagan privately.

[Samuraikoku]

You know how churches can be, sometimes the actions don't matter as much as faith.

Yeah, I know the guy killed millions. I am no Soviet. LOL

The entire idea of him becoming a saint just doesn't make sense at any point.

Of course not, it was a joke.

[Wolfmanne]

This issue is a bit old, but I just wanting to bring this up. About a year ago, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation petition the Orthodox church in St.Petersburg to have Stalin canonized (which means that he will become a saint). During the Second World War, he made a deal with the Orthodox church in which he give them back their power in exchange for backing from the church. The CPRF proposed that Stalin be made a saint if he won the greatest Russian in history poll a few year ago. The poll was instead won by a mediaeval leader named Alexander Nevsky. But should Stalin have been made a saint?

Canonize Hitler as well for ensuring that Germany has a large Christian population. Seriously, this guy isn't even Christian yet you wish to canonize him... lolwut?

I don't know what fucking religion he is, mos people here think he is Christian. He did invent his own type of Christianity though with rubbish like Jesus was Aryan white, etc.

[Samuraikoku]

Wasn't Hitler an atheist as well?

He publicly said he was Christan, and he said that he was Protestant specifically IIRC, though he was either an Atheist or a Pagan privately.

I know all of that, except for the Pagan base. I believe that despite trying to gain favor with Protestants and Catholics alike, he despised any form of religion.

[Goldsaver]

The entire idea of him becoming a saint just doesn't make sense at any point.

Of course not, it was a joke.

No, no, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation actually tried to make this happen.

[Aurora-Nova]

The CPRF proposed that Stalin be made a saint if he won the greatest Russian in history poll a few year ago. The poll was instead won by a mediaeval leader named Alexander Nevsky. But should Stalin have been made a saint?

While I'm not familiar with the Russian Orthodox Church's requirements for sainthood, if he meets them, then yes, absolutely. He is a great man and deserves any honor he can get (and let's face it, he came in third in that poll).

[AlexJacobii]

This issue is a bit old, but I just wanting to bring this up. About a year ago, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation petition the Orthodox church in St.Petersburg to have Stalin canonized (which means that he will become a saint). During the Second World War, he made a deal with the Orthodox church in which he give them back their power in exchange for backing from the church. The CPRF proposed that Stalin be made a saint if he won the greatest Russian in history poll a few year ago. The poll was instead won by a mediaeval leader named Alexander Nevsky. But should Stalin have been made a saint?

I have a better question, should Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot be canonized?

[Galla-]

Adolf Hitler should be canonised by the Lutheran Church.

obvs he is their patron saint

Pretty sure he was a catholic, or had catholic leanings...unless I heard wrong.

I heard he was Lutheran.

Or at least raised Lutheran.

[Goldsaver]

Pretty sure he was a catholic, or had catholic leanings...unless I heard wrong.

I heard he was Lutheran.

Or at least raised Lutheran.

Hitler was, at least publicly, a Lutheran.

[Samuraikoku]

Of course not, it was a joke.

No, no, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation actually tried to make this happen.

I meant my own argument being a joke. I wouldn't put past the Soviets to do something like that.

[Tokyoni]

This issue is a bit old, but I just wanting to bring this up. About a year ago, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation petition the Orthodox church in St.Petersburg to have Stalin canonized (which means that he will become a saint). During the Second World War, he made a deal with the Orthodox church in which he give them back their power in exchange for backing from the church. The CPRF proposed that Stalin be made a saint if he won the greatest Russian in history poll a few year ago. The poll was instead won by a mediaeval leader named Alexander Nevsky. But should Stalin have been made a saint?

I have a better question, should Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot be canonized?

I dunno. Not too fond of two of the three - or most forms of Christianity (much lesser level of disdain though).

My girlfriend (a practicing Buddhist) and I though, in a discussion about Buddhism/syncreticism/politics made a sort of inside joke that we'll consider Kim Il Sung to be our patron Bodhisattva. xD

So why not the Russians with someone who saved their people from being wiped out by those barbaric fascist hordes?

[Ferrond]

I have a better question, should Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot be canonized?

I dunno. Not too fond of two of the three - or most forms of Christianity (much lesser level of disdain though).

My girlfriend (a practicing Buddhist) and I though, in a discussion about Buddhism/syncreticism/politics made a sort of inside joke that we'll consider Kim Il Sung to be our patron Bodhisattva. xD

So why not the Russians with someone who saved their people from being wiped out by those barbaric fascist hordes?

Yeah that's what he was, a real savior.

[Tokyoni]

I dunno. Not too fond of two of the three - or most forms of Christianity (much lesser level of disdain though).

My girlfriend (a practicing Buddhist) and I though, in a discussion about Buddhism/syncreticism/politics made a sort of inside joke that we'll consider Kim Il Sung to be our patron Bodhisattva. xD

So why not the Russians with someone who saved their people from being wiped out by those barbaric fascist hordes?

Yeah that's what he was, a real savior.

Well, he stopped this. No small feat really. And yet he's derided as a villain in the mainstream. Guess no good deed goes unpunished.

[New Palikir]

Fifty Million+ people. Fifty Million. That's 1/6 of the current US population. That's more than any other dictator (except maybe Mao). Certainly not Saint-worthy. Nevsky is, but Stalin is not.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Yeah that's what he was, a real savior.

Well, he stopped this. No small feat really. And yet he's derided as a villain in the mainstream. Guess no good deed goes unpunished.

He may have stopped that, but not for selfish reasons of wanting control. He also, I don't know, committed mass genocides.

[Ferrond]

Yeah that's what he was, a real savior.

Well, he stopped this. No small feat really. And yet he's derided as a villain in the mainstream. Guess no good deed goes unpunished.

And yet he managed to kill more people of his own country than the enemy.

[Tokyoni]

Fifty Million+ people. Fifty Million. That's 1/6 of the current US population. That's more than any other dictator (except maybe Mao). Certainly not Saint-worthy. Nevsky is, but Stalin is not.

How exactly are you arriving at those numbers? Even if you're counting the millions of brave Soviet soldiers who gave their lives in the Great Patriotic War fighting off the fascist hordes against him somehow, that's still nowhere close.