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Yes
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No (other candidate)
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Im a Democrat
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Militia Alliance
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Postby Militia Alliance » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:57 pm

Anyone that's NOT a member of the NWO will do just fine thank you. ;)

Want more of the same? Then keep thinking your votes matter and don't hold the criminals accountable...

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Namabia
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Postby Namabia » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:58 pm

Socialist Xlyvania wrote:As a Democrat, Paul is different than most republicans and he's the only Republican that I think will put the people first. Unfortunately, the media won't let him win.



The Media is usually Liberally or Conservatively Biased. That's why I don't watch the news at election time.
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Kwasbeccastan
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Postby Kwasbeccastan » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:58 pm

I agree with him on some points. But getting rid of the EPA and the Dept. of Education without a clear idea of how we'd supplant their purposes? Strict Constitutionalism with a pooly educated electorate, that is ridiculously polarized? If Ron Paul was elected we'd need an immediate Constitutional convention.

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Wienholdland
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Postby Wienholdland » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:00 pm

Kwasbeccastan wrote:I agree with him on some points. But getting rid of the EPA and the Dept. of Education without a clear idea of how we'd supplant their purposes? Strict Constitutionalism with a pooly educated electorate, that is ridiculously polarized? If Ron Paul was elected we'd need an immediate Constitutional convention.
You really believe that getting the federal government out of education will result in no education?

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Kwasbeccastan
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Postby Kwasbeccastan » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:02 pm

Wienholdland wrote:
Kwasbeccastan wrote:I agree with him on some points. But getting rid of the EPA and the Dept. of Education without a clear idea of how we'd supplant their purposes? Strict Constitutionalism with a pooly educated electorate, that is ridiculously polarized? If Ron Paul was elected we'd need an immediate Constitutional convention.
You really believe that getting the federal government out of education will result in no education?



Did I say that?

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Bavin
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Postby Bavin » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:02 pm

No, I like the UN too much to vote for Ron Paul.
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Postby Lost ones tribesmen » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:02 pm

:shock: Oh heavens no, he's crazy.

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The Left-Libertarian Hippies
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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:03 pm

social democrats and democratic socialists are different things...i disagree with them (social democrats) on value added taxation, bailouts (which they usually support), democratic control of workplace (which they oppose), maximum wage, nationalization (which i oppose)...i could go on and on...
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Postby Terra Agora » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:05 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:social democrats and democratic socialists are different things...i disagree with them (social democrats) on value added taxation, bailouts (which they usually support), democratic control of workplace (which they oppose), maximum wage, nationalization (which i oppose)...i could go on and on...

Fair enough though the term is used synonymous a lot.

However you are not a left libertarian. Like you said you're a democratic socialist.
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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:07 pm

We'll just have to agree to disagree...i guess...
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Postby Terra Agora » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:12 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree...i guess...

Im going by definitions. Creating your own doesn't work im sorry to say.
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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:18 pm

Many, if not most, left-libertarians envision a more decentralized human scale economy and a more egalitarian organization of society taking shape upon the removal of the myriad forms of state privilege promoting centralization, exploitation, and the unsustainable, cancerous forms of growth resulting from artificial economies of scale.

This here is not really against me or democratic socialism (this is from left libertarian.org)...this is pretty much the same thing....
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:20 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:No, most left-libertarians oppose what would be called a free market...they support worker-control of enterprises and of their own social structures...social democrats have lost much of their left-libertarian values they used to have...im not a social democrat...

The free market has nothing to do with ownership of the means of production. You're confusing capitalism with the free market. The two are not mutually inclusive.
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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:22 pm

No, im not...im saying what is called a "free market", not an actual free market...
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Postby Terra Agora » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:22 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:Many, if not most, left-libertarians envision a more decentralized human scale economy and a more egalitarian organization of society taking shape upon the removal of the myriad forms of state privilege promoting centralization, exploitation, and the unsustainable, cancerous forms of growth resulting from artificial economies of scale.

This here is not really against me or democratic socialism (this is from left libertarian.org)...this is pretty much the same thing....

Which is a free market. No minimum wage, no regulation, etc. All libertarians support this.
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"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:24 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:Many, if not most, left-libertarians envision a more decentralized human scale economy and a more egalitarian organization of society taking shape upon the removal of the myriad forms of state privilege promoting centralization, exploitation, and the unsustainable, cancerous forms of growth resulting from artificial economies of scale.

This here is not really against me or democratic socialism (this is from left libertarian.org)...this is pretty much the same thing....

Which is a free market. No minimum wage, no regulation, etc. All libertarians support this.


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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:24 pm

Kwasbeccastan wrote:I agree with him on some points. But getting rid of the EPA and the Dept. of Education without a clear idea of how we'd supplant their purposes? Strict Constitutionalism with a pooly educated electorate, that is ridiculously polarized? If Ron Paul was elected we'd need an immediate Constitutional convention.

The Department of Education has driven the cost of education per pupil, adjusted for inflation to a 4 fold increase in 3 decades. Test scores have remained flat. Waste of money. Education is handled by the states.

The EPA does not answer to congress and operates through executive orders. We need to limit one man's power.
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Postby H-Alba » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:32 pm

I am not voting (I can't vote; i'm not a US citizen), but if I were I would vote for Stewart Alexander.
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:45 pm

H-Alba wrote:I am not voting (I can't vote; i'm not a US citizen), but if I were I would vote for Stewart Alexander.

Good thing he's not going to win.
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Postby Melkor Unchained » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:04 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
AlexJacobii wrote:He's just as crazy as the rest of them. He wants to go back to the gold system for crying out loud.

I forgot about that, add it to my list of fuck noes.

This is false. He doesn't want to mandate a return to the gold standard, he just thinks it should be allowed to compete against fiat currency.

Check it.

skip to 2:02
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:16 pm

Melkor Unchained wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:I forgot about that, add it to my list of fuck noes.

This is false. He doesn't want to mandate a return to the gold standard, he just thinks it should be allowed to compete against fiat currency.

Check it.

skip to 2:02

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:22 pm

Melkor Unchained wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:I forgot about that, add it to my list of fuck noes.

This is false. He doesn't want to mandate a return to the gold standard, he just thinks it should be allowed to compete against fiat currency.

Check it.

skip to 2:02


He changes his statements a little too much.

I saw another interview were he mentioned having them compete against paper but of course gold would win.

Isn't that basically saying bring back the gold standard......
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Postby Simon Cowell of the RR » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:22 pm

I don't usually say serious stuff, but don't vote for this guy. Seriously. Anyone who reads Ayn Rand without laughing needs to run 100 yards off a 50 yard pier.
Besides, you cannot 'fix the US dollar' without controlling inflation. If you let it go by market value it will plummet into nonexistence. Unless you want to start practicing your Mandarin, he is not a good idea.
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:35 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Melkor Unchained wrote:This is false. He doesn't want to mandate a return to the gold standard, he just thinks it should be allowed to compete against fiat currency.

Check it.

skip to 2:02


He changes his statements a little too much.

I saw another interview were he mentioned having them compete against paper but of course gold would win.

Isn't that basically saying bring back the gold standard......

Not a mandated gold standard. You know, what Melkor said.
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Postby Sucrati » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:37 pm

Simon Cowell of the RR wrote:I don't usually say serious stuff, but don't vote for this guy. Seriously. Anyone who reads Ayn Rand without laughing needs to run 100 yards off a 50 yard pier.
Besides, you cannot 'fix the US dollar' without controlling inflation. If you let it go by market value it will plummet into nonexistence. Unless you want to start practicing your Mandarin, he is not a good idea.
You see, social darwinism works when you are at the top of the pack. Bad news kids, we're not.


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