Speaking of rape

[Yavin 1221]

This guy just needs to have his balls cut off.

[Horsefish]

This guy just needs to have his balls cut off.

Probally abit extreme.

[Nadkor]

Interesting facts about rape:
1) It's never the victim's fault,
2) Most men are able to contain themselves at the sight of a bit of flesh, and not set about raping, and
3) If you can't and you end up raping someone then it's entirely your fault (see also: fact #1).

What the fuck that is pure bullshit. You act like all us men do is think about rape and sex. No we don't.

I direct you to fact #2, which you will note is quite clear that not all men are rapists.

This is just another example of stupid feminist stereotypes about men.

Ah, yes, the stupid feminist stereotype men completely lack any kind of self-control and that, as a result, a women must share some of the responsibility if she leads a man to rape her by, say, wearing a short skirt.

That stupid feminist stereotype. Right.

What would you say about the cases were it is a woman that raped a man which is more common than most people would admit. A man is much less likely to report it if he was raped by a woman than a woman that was raped by a man or another woman for that matter.

Well, I live in a country where rape is not an offence that can be committed by a woman, so I'm not so concerned about that (not to mention that I'd wager that male-on-male rape is more common than female-on-male rape, but I digress)

Actually, it's more that this is a thread discussing pregnancies arising from rape, and I don't think male victims have to worry about that.

[Esternial]

Ah, yes, the stupid feminist stereotype men completely lack any kind of self-control and that, as a result, a women must share some of the responsibility if she leads a man to rape her by, say, wearing a short skirt.
That stupid feminist stereotype. Right.

Well, we are mindless animals with the constant urge to reproduce our species, seizing every opportunity to seize a female in order to have as many offspring as possible, so whenever we see the alluring curves of a female body our hormones block all rational thought in our minds and revert us back to the state we were in a several millions of years ago: Horny cavemen, which would make a great album title.

[Risottia]

Hey, that's how it goes...tires go flat, vaginas get forcibly penetrated, what can you do? It's not like you can blame anybody for the fact that your tire went flat, or the fact that your vagina got forcibly penetrated by one of those disembodied sets of male genitalia that float up and assault random vaginas from time to time.

Perhaps a tax on male genitalia?

As long as it's like the VAT (that is, only the end "recipient of the product" pays), I'm all for it.

[Kazomal]

Well, I live in a country where rape is not an offence that can be committed by a woman, so I'm not so concerned about that

That's fucked up

[Wikkiwallana]

YES! WOMEN SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR RAPE! How in the name of fuck is it a bad thing to encourage women to arm themselves with guns/knives/pepper-spray/martial arts?! If you live in a bad neighborhood it certainly isn't a bad idea for a woman. The police can't be everywhere at once, after all. I doubt that forcing sex on a woman is worth dealing with a knife or pepper spray. It's reasonable that even pepper spray would be enough to dissuade such action. I think half the people posting on this thread just want to close their eyes and pretend rape doesn't exist and that city police forces are omni-present, benevolent titans with tentacles outstretched throughout the city to stop crime before it happens.

That being said, yes I realize that is not at all what was being talked about. But after reading oodles of comments saying "Women shouldn't have to be prepared for rape." I felt I had to say something.

From what I can tell, the bill's supporters purport two things:

1: If a woman gains pregnancy from a rape, though it is certainly not her fault, taxpayers should not have to pay for her abortion. Especially when many taxpayers have explicit beliefs that said abortion is wrong and it violates their conscience.

2: That woman should have insurance. Is it fair that she has to pay for something someone else did to her? No, of course not. Is it fair that we pay, via insurance, for the scenario in which our house is robbed? No. In the latter scenario if the perpetrator is caught he is made to reimburse his victim to the best of his ability (besides jail-time). I'm going to take a wild leap and say it would be the same scenario with rape. If they catch the guy, they'll probably take the funds required to purchase any procedure the woman may need as a result from him. Forcing taxpayers to pay for your rape-abortion is just as logical as making them pay for your burglary.

Ignoring the victim blaming nonsense for a moment, this bill isn't to keep taxpayers from paying for her abortion, it's to keep her private medical insurance from doing so unless she purchases an additional rider. That's complete bullshit. And nowhere in this does it mention anything about the rapist being made responsible for anything.

[The Atlantean Menace]

I don't really see the issue. It is a good idea to have at least some plan in place in case something bad happens. For example, most 40 year olds have wills written, even though the odds of them dying are fairly low.

EDIT: Okay, what he said makes sense, but the context he said it in made what would've been a reasonable remark completely douchey.

[Esternial]

I don't really see the issue. It is a good idea to have at least some plan in place in case something bad happens. For example, most 40 year olds have wills written, even though the odds of them dying are fairly low.

Death is inevitable, rape is not. People shouldn't HAVE to be prepared for something like that. But alas, they do.

[Risottia]

YES! WOMEN SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR RAPE! How in the name of fuck is it a bad thing to encourage women to arm themselves with guns/knives/pepper-spray/martial arts?!

Might I point out that this would be "being prepared for an attempted rape"?

[The Atlantean Menace]

I don't really see the issue. It is a good idea to have at least some plan in place in case something bad happens. For example, most 40 year olds have wills written, even though the odds of them dying are fairly low.

Death is inevitable, rape is not. People shouldn't HAVE to be prepared for something like that. But alas, they do.

See my edit. His actual plan is retarded, just the idea that you should have at least some plan in place isn't.

[The Congregationists]

YES! WOMEN SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR RAPE! How in the name of fuck is it a bad thing to encourage women to arm themselves with guns/knives/pepper-spray/martial arts?! If you live in a bad neighborhood it certainly isn't a bad idea for a woman. The police can't be everywhere at once, after all. I doubt that forcing sex on a woman is worth dealing with a knife or pepper spray. It's reasonable that even pepper spray would be enough to dissuade such action. I think half the people posting on this thread just want to close their eyes and pretend rape doesn't exist and that city police forces are omni-present, benevolent titans with tentacles outstretched throughout the city to stop crime before it happens.

That being said, yes I realize that is not at all what was being talked about. But after reading oodles of comments saying "Women shouldn't have to be prepared for rape." I felt I had to say something.

I have no problem with self defence measures in principle. But it's not always as simple as going armed. It's no magic bullet. People often get injured and killed by the very weapons they keep to defend themselves, especially if they are ambushed, sucker punched or otherwise taken by surprise. A surprisingly frightening occurance.

From what I can tell, the bill's supporters purport two things:

1: If a woman gains pregnancy from a rape, though it is certainly not her fault, taxpayers should not have to pay for her abortion. Especially when many taxpayers have explicit beliefs that said abortion is wrong and it violates their conscience.

If taxpayers get to choose what gets funded and what doesn't based on their conscience, where does that leave the untold millions who didn't want to go into Iraq? Who didn't want to bail out Lehman Bros? Who don't think prosecuting marijuna users is a good use of law enforcement resources? We don't get to pick and choose such things. Likewise, what's worth spending our tax payer dollars on if not security, health care and protection for our own citizens, including abortions for rape victims? Would you want to have to carry such a pregnancy to term simply because the church-going crowd frowns on abortion?

2: That woman should have insurance. Is it fair that she has to pay for something someone else did to her? No, of course not. Is it fair that we pay, via insurance, for the scenario in which our house is robbed? No. In the latter scenario if the perpetrator is caught he is made to reimburse his victim to the best of his ability (besides jail-time). I'm going to take a wild leap and say it would be the same scenario with rape. If they catch the guy, they'll probably take the funds required to purchase any procedure the woman may need as a result from him. Forcing taxpayers to pay for your rape-abortion is just as logical as making them pay for your burglary.

The woman should have insurance. So should everybody else. Universal health care is actually quite a good idea and works rather well. I recommend it highly.

[The Atlantean Menace]

Also, could anyone explain to me why the government has any say in this? Shouldn't what's covered and what isn't be left up to individual insurance companies?