Why does it seem everyone hates Republicans

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

Funding unwinnable wars with no clear goal, and no real motive for starting the war is against my conscious, when can we stop funding those?

It would be easier if we just enforced the constitutional requirement that Congress has to consent to any military action. In the past, this has tended to place a very good limit on the President's ability to start unjust wars.
Also the Constitution actually says you can't have a standing army for more than two years at a time when you are at peace. However, since we are currently in a state of war....

The war powers act is not a constitutional amendment, it is an act of congress whose constitutionality is questionable. We're not in a state of war, congress has not declared war in nearly 7 decades. What happened in 2001 and 2003 was the President requesting congress to allocate funding for military action, not a declaration of war.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

I don't see that. The former bans freedom of the choice and the other protects freedom of choice for everyone, not just for those who are pro abortion.

Aside from the fact that every bill involving planned parenthood and funding clinics has been subject to the same limitations on where the funding can be spent. Abortion does not receive federal funding, this is entirely about Republicans wanting to restrict freedom of choice. Thanks to their free reign in South Dakota, there are no abortion providers left in the state.

They're willing to destroy the only source of contraception, prenatal care and vital sexual health services for millions of people across the country to satisfy their ego, and they're claiming it is some kind of moral crusade.

You do know that these are not supported by the rank and file membership. Also note where these particular Republican lawmakers hail from. They have to oppose Planned Parenthood because the majority of their constituents demand it. If they came from more openminded states, their opposition to Planned Parenthood funding would be much more negotiable.

[North Calaveras]

I was raised by republicans, pretty much everyone in my family (both sides) are republican (Catholics!) or libertarian. I'm a libertarian (actually libertarian, as in actually wanting social freedoms), an atheist, a skeptic, & a homo. As the latter, I can tell you that I resent the way the GOP has treated me & people like me. Also, they use a lot of fear & hate rhetoric, including not-so-subtle racism, AND they have way more fuckin' crazy wingnuts in the party. They need to get their shit together.

That being said, I was a liberal for a while, and I think they're mostly full-of-shit lying assholes, too. I mostly vote Dem if I don't feel there's a good third party option, because I believe increased social freedoms (or at least NOT decreasing them) is a higher priority for the most part. I'm sure as hell NOT voting for anyone who thinks I shouldn't be treated as an equal under the law.

<< Just about everything you said is the same here except I had a positive experience with republicans.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

Aside from the fact that every bill involving planned parenthood and funding clinics has been subject to the same limitations on where the funding can be spent. Abortion does not receive federal funding, this is entirely about Republicans wanting to restrict freedom of choice. Thanks to their free reign in South Dakota, there are no abortion providers left in the state.

They're willing to destroy the only source of contraception, prenatal care and vital sexual health services for millions of people across the country to satisfy their ego, and they're claiming it is some kind of moral crusade.

You do know that these are not supported by the rank and file membership. Also note where these particular Republican lawmakers hail from. They have to oppose Planned Parenthood because the majority of their constituents demand it. If they came from more openminded states, their opposition to Planned Parenthood funding would be much more negotiable.

So they are liars who only care about keeping themselves in office as opposed to sticking by their own principles? What wonderful guys. I'm totally convinced that they're the right men to lead this country.

[Lackadaisical2]

I was raised by republicans, pretty much everyone in my family (both sides) are republican (Catholics!) or libertarian. I'm a libertarian (actually libertarian, as in actually wanting social freedoms like legal weed), an atheist, a skeptic, & a homo. As the latter, I can tell you that I resent the way the GOP has treated me & people like me. Also, they use a lot of fear & hate rhetoric, including not-so-subtle racism, AND they have way more fuckin' crazy wingnuts in the party. They need to get their shit together.

That being said, I was a liberal for a while, and I think they're mostly full-of-shit lying assholes, too. I mostly vote Dem if I don't feel there's a good third party option, because I believe increased social freedoms (or at least NOT decreasing them) is a higher priority for the most part. I'm sure as hell NOT voting for anyone who thinks I shouldn't be treated as an equal under the law.

Its kinda sad because both parties are against alot of social freedoms, they by-and-large support the patriot act, for instance which has just gone up for renewal, iirc.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

actually its more like the conscientious objectors in the military. If you are a conscientious objector in the military you are not required to carry a weapon or engage in combat operations. The same principle applies to doctors who oppose abortion on religious grounds.
They have a right to refuse such things as long as they make up their objection at the last minute. It has to be a belief they've held almost their entire lives.
When a woman is about to die unless she has an abortion is not the right time to suddenly decide you are anti abortion.

What the hell are you talking about? The fact is all the outrage over planned parenthood in the budget was a sham. They knew not a penny of it went to abortion, they didn't care. They wanted to destroy something they could lie to their religious base about to score political points, because they knew they had no new ideas on the economy.

IF they hadn't their religious bases in their districts would have elected more extreme people who would have gone farther and sought to ban Planned Parenthood outright.

You get to choose between one bad choice and a worse bad choice.

[Wamitoria]

You do know that these are not supported by the rank and file membership. Also note where these particular Republican lawmakers hail from. They have to oppose Planned Parenthood because the majority of their constituents demand it. If they came from more openminded states, their opposition to Planned Parenthood funding would be much more negotiable.

So they are liars who only care about keeping themselves in office as opposed to sticking by their own principles? What wonderful guys. I'm totally convinced that they're the right men to lead this country.

Same here. Newt Gingrich 2012.

[Shikkago]

I would think the majority of the rank and file does. But we don't like to talk about it because doing so will nearly lead to the collapse of the party and most members walk out.

...for real?

Of course I cheered for the death of Sleppian(killed near my hometown) when I was little so I may be slightly biased.

That's sad.

Abortion is a very big deal with my family, esp the women. But some repubs I've talked to believe in a degree of choice- actually everyone if you include birth control options- they just want restrictions on it... Actually, a lot of pro-choice ppl might agree to restrictions, most people are really somewhere in the middle if you talk to them about it... I don't think the party would necessarily fall apart, but it would def be bad for an individ. politician to come out as pro-choice if she wanted the repub vote...

[Lackadaisical2]

...for real?

Of course I cheered for the death of Sleppian(killed near my hometown) when I was little so I may be slightly biased.

That's sad.

Abortion is a very big deal with my family, esp the women. But some repubs I've talked to believe in a degree of choice- actually everyone if you include birth control options- they just want restrictions on it... Actually, a lot of pro-choice ppl might agree to restrictions, most people are really somewhere in the middle if you talk to them about it... I don't think the party would necessarily fall apart, but it would def be bad for an individ. politician to come out as pro-choice if she wanted the repub vote...

Yeah, almost no one wants complete bans of abortion, except crazy people like me.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

What the hell are you talking about? The fact is all the outrage over planned parenthood in the budget was a sham. They knew not a penny of it went to abortion, they didn't care. They wanted to destroy something they could lie to their religious base about to score political points, because they knew they had no new ideas on the economy.

IF they hadn't their religious bases in their districts would have elected more extreme people who would have gone farther and sought to ban Planned Parenthood outright.

You get to choose between one bad choice and a worse bad choice.

The purpose of government is to protect the minority from the majority, not to kowtow to religious fundamentalists and beg them for their free health insurance, while they are millionaires themselves, so that they can deny health insurance to 17 million children from poor families.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

I was raised by republicans, pretty much everyone in my family (both sides) are republican (Catholics!) or libertarian. I'm a libertarian (actually libertarian, as in actually wanting social freedoms like legal weed), an atheist, a skeptic, & a homo. As the latter, I can tell you that I resent the way the GOP has treated me & people like me. Also, they use a lot of fear & hate rhetoric, including not-so-subtle racism, AND they have way more fuckin' crazy wingnuts in the party. They need to get their shit together.

That being said, I was a liberal for a while, and I think they're mostly full-of-shit lying assholes, too. I mostly vote Dem if I don't feel there's a good third party option, because I believe increased social freedoms (or at least NOT decreasing them) is a higher priority for the most part. I'm sure as hell NOT voting for anyone who thinks I shouldn't be treated as an equal under the law.

The reason the wingnuts get their way is that you are not there to oppose them. If you are not going to oppose their plans for the party, then why complain?

[Shikkago]

I was raised by republicans, pretty much everyone in my family (both sides) are republican (Catholics!) or libertarian. I'm a libertarian (actually libertarian, as in actually wanting social freedoms like legal weed), an atheist, a skeptic, & a homo. As the latter, I can tell you that I resent the way the GOP has treated me & people like me. Also, they use a lot of fear & hate rhetoric, including not-so-subtle racism, AND they have way more fuckin' crazy wingnuts in the party. They need to get their shit together.

That being said, I was a liberal for a while, and I think they're mostly full-of-shit lying assholes, too. I mostly vote Dem if I don't feel there's a good third party option, because I believe increased social freedoms (or at least NOT decreasing them) is a higher priority for the most part. I'm sure as hell NOT voting for anyone who thinks I shouldn't be treated as an equal under the law.

Its kinda sad because both parties are against alot of social freedoms, they by-and-large support the patriot act, for instance which has just gone up for renewal, iirc.

You are so right-on about that. Obama has done jackshit for gay rights, and don't think we haven't noticed. He also thinks it's ok if he smoked weed but doesnt give a fuck about freeing all the people who are imprisoned for smoking weed. He talks about immigrant rights but all he does is deport ppl. Not that it's all on the prez- but the admin in gen is basically not that diff than it was under Bush. And Nobody in power gives a fuck about the way the US mistreats prisoners of war.

I wouldn't say sad. I'd say it pisses me the fuck off. There's no real choice between the parties anymore.

but I was thinkin more on local level when talking about voting...

[North Calaveras]

Its kinda sad because both parties are against alot of social freedoms, they by-and-large support the patriot act, for instance which has just gone up for renewal, iirc.

You are so right-on about that. Obama has done jackshit for gay rights, and don't think we haven't noticed. He also thinks it's ok if he smoked weed but doesnt give a fuck about freeing all the people who are imprisoned for smoking weed. He talks about immigrant rights but all he does is deport ppl. Not that it's all on the prez- but the admin in gen is basically not that diff than it was under Bush. And Nobody in power gives a fuck about the way the US mistreats prisoners of war.

US treats prisoners like gods, i think your really wrong on that one, as for gay rights he did help with DADT, I wish he helped get weed legal and I if your referring to ILLEGAL immigrants then i say fuck them.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

You do know that these are not supported by the rank and file membership. Also note where these particular Republican lawmakers hail from. They have to oppose Planned Parenthood because the majority of their constituents demand it. If they came from more openminded states, their opposition to Planned Parenthood funding would be much more negotiable.

So they are liars who only care about keeping themselves in office as opposed to sticking by their own principles? What wonderful guys. I'm totally convinced that they're the right men to lead this country.

The democrats are the same way.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

So they are liars who only care about keeping themselves in office as opposed to sticking by their own principles? What wonderful guys. I'm totally convinced that they're the right men to lead this country.

Same here. Newt Gingrich 2012.

To be honest I was pleasantly surprised when Gingrich said he didn't support the Ryan plan, then back to disappointed when he completely turned heel and then tried to claim he was a dangerous outsider to washington politics. Really? One of the longest standing government figures in the country, and the guy who was the Republican speaker of the house just 15 years ago is an outsider with new, unheard of ideas? Cut the bull, Newt.

[Wamitoria]

So they are liars who only care about keeping themselves in office as opposed to sticking by their own principles? What wonderful guys. I'm totally convinced that they're the right men to lead this country.

The democrats are the same way.

On a less blatant level, with less potentially disastrous consequences.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

So they are liars who only care about keeping themselves in office as opposed to sticking by their own principles? What wonderful guys. I'm totally convinced that they're the right men to lead this country.

Same here. Newt Gingrich 2012.

Gingrich has lots of money and is well known, but he is not a serious candidate. Republicans currently don't have any candidates who will be able to beat Obama. Everything the present field says should be taken simply as entertainment because they will never be able to do any of it.

[Shikkago]

I was raised by republicans, pretty much everyone in my family (both sides) are republican (Catholics!) or libertarian. I'm a libertarian (actually libertarian, as in actually wanting social freedoms like legal weed), an atheist, a skeptic, & a homo. As the latter, I can tell you that I resent the way the GOP has treated me & people like me. Also, they use a lot of fear & hate rhetoric, including not-so-subtle racism, AND they have way more fuckin' crazy wingnuts in the party. They need to get their shit together.

That being said, I was a liberal for a while, and I think they're mostly full-of-shit lying assholes, too. I mostly vote Dem if I don't feel there's a good third party option, because I believe increased social freedoms (or at least NOT decreasing them) is a higher priority for the most part. I'm sure as hell NOT voting for anyone who thinks I shouldn't be treated as an equal under the law.

The reason the wingnuts get their way is that you are not there to oppose them. If you are not going to oppose their plans for the party, then why complain?

hmmm good point buttt... I wouldn't say that. I've voted in repub primary, I've voted repub, & I've voted indie & libertarian & green & dem. every vote I've ever cast has been a vote FOR somebody I thought was sensible and AGAINST somebody I thought was a piece of shit (not that I haven't voted for pieces of shit before; hasn't everyone?). I guess I could be more involved in the party but on the other hand that's not my job/position in the world, I do what I can in my life to find out and spread the truth, that I think might lead to better voting choices for me and my friends & fam at least...

[Lackadaisical2]

Its kinda sad because both parties are against alot of social freedoms, they by-and-large support the patriot act, for instance which has just gone up for renewal, iirc.

You are so right-on about that. Obama has done jackshit for gay rights, and don't think we haven't noticed. He also thinks it's ok if he smoked weed but doesnt give a fuck about freeing all the people who are imprisoned for smoking weed. He talks about immigrant rights but all he does is deport ppl. Not that it's all on the prez- but the admin in gen is basically not that diff than it was under Bush. And Nobody in power gives a fuck about the way the US mistreats prisoners of war.

I wouldn't say sad. I'd say it pisses me the fuck off. There's no real choice between the parties anymore.

Yeah its kinda disappointing. I agree with you on most that stuff, legalizing mary jane and pardons for those imprisoned because of it, I'm all for recognizing the legal status of gay marriages (although I'd prefer no marriages, w/e).

but I was thinkin more on local level when talking about voting...

Now you lost me ^_^'

Local things tend to be very different and based on the well, local polity.

[Coltarin]

i dont like the Republicans because a TON of their politics include helping the Rich echelon idiots instead of helping the less well to do people

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

...for real?

Of course I cheered for the death of Sleppian(killed near my hometown) when I was little so I may be slightly biased.

That's sad.

Abortion is a very big deal with my family, esp the women. But some repubs I've talked to believe in a degree of choice- actually everyone if you include birth control options- they just want restrictions on it... Actually, a lot of pro-choice ppl might agree to restrictions, most people are really somewhere in the middle if you talk to them about it... I don't think the party would necessarily fall apart, but it would def be bad for an individ. politician to come out as pro-choice if she wanted the repub vote...

It depends on what district they are running in. Some districts are safe for pro choice Republicans.

[Lackadaisical2]

Same here. Newt Gingrich 2012.

To be honest I was pleasantly surprised when Gingrich said he didn't support the Ryan plan, then back to disappointed when he completely turned heel and then tried to claim he was a dangerous outsider to washington politics. Really? One of the longest standing government figures in the country, and the guy who was the Republican speaker of the house just 15 years ago is an outsider with new, unheard of ideas? Cut the bull, Newt.

I liked Newt until he started going all pancake on us...

[Shikkago]

That's sad.

Abortion is a very big deal with my family, esp the women. But some repubs I've talked to believe in a degree of choice- actually everyone if you include birth control options- they just want restrictions on it... Actually, a lot of pro-choice ppl might agree to restrictions, most people are really somewhere in the middle if you talk to them about it... I don't think the party would necessarily fall apart, but it would def be bad for an individ. politician to come out as pro-choice if she wanted the repub vote...

It depends on what district they are running in. Some districts are safe for pro choice Republicans.

excellent point.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

IF they hadn't their religious bases in their districts would have elected more extreme people who would have gone farther and sought to ban Planned Parenthood outright.

You get to choose between one bad choice and a worse bad choice.

The purpose of government is to protect the minority from the majority, not to kowtow to religious fundamentalists and beg them for their free health insurance, while they are millionaires themselves, so that they can deny health insurance to 17 million children from poor families.

I agree but you do realize that its not just Republicans who kow tow. Many Democrats from conservative districts also kow tow the religious fundies.

[Wamitoria]

To be honest I was pleasantly surprised when Gingrich said he didn't support the Ryan plan, then back to disappointed when he completely turned heel and then tried to claim he was a dangerous outsider to washington politics. Really? One of the longest standing government figures in the country, and the guy who was the Republican speaker of the house just 15 years ago is an outsider with new, unheard of ideas? Cut the bull, Newt.

I liked Newt until he started going all pancake on us...

He's slowly turning into batter, tbh.