Head of IMF (Strauss-Kahn) Arrested for Alleged Sex Assault

[Ashmoria]

no it is not our civic duty to make up lies about how this man might be innocent.

it is our civic duty to remind ourselves that a man is not tried in the press but in court and that until evidence is presented in court we need to keep in mind that it might not be true at all.

Wouldn't it be our civic duty to assume that he's innocent until proven otherwise?

no

thats the court's job not ours.

our job is to keep in mind that he hasnt been convicted of anything. he has only been arrested. and that, as i said above, it may turn out that he is innocent.

[Lacadaemon]

Sentencing is a mystery to me.

There's a chapter in the NY Penal code which lays out the Max. and Min. sentences for the different classes of felonies and misdemeanors, so you could work out a worst and base case scenario for each of the charges. Lots of other considerations come into play but it'll give a ball-park idea of how deep the shit he's in if convicted.

[Sibirsky]

Sentencing is a mystery to me.

There's a chapter in the NY Penal code which lays out the Max. and Min. sentences for the different classes of felonies and misdemeanors, so you could work out a worst and base case scenario for each of the charges. Lots of other considerations come into play but it'll give a ball-park idea of how deep the shit he's in if convicted.

Over 70 years I think. Total max, if convicted of all charges.

[Lacadaemon]

I agree 100% with that assessment. But DSK is the head of the IMF, so formulating conspiracy theories about this almost obligatory.

then why arent we talking about reptiloids and the illuminati?

if we are going to amuse ourselves we should go all the way lest someone think that we are seriously excusing the behavior of an alleged rapist.

Haha. Touche!

No, I'm really not excusing him tho'. I am completely on board with the rapist theory. Just given his position, and the IMFs nature and function, there are bound to be conspiracy theories.

And I guarantee, even if he is convicted on all counts, they won't go away. People will still say it's the CIA and Sarkozy, or something to do with Greece, or something else the IMF has done.

I mean, we can debate whether the IMF on net balance is a good thing or a bad thing, but even if we decide it's a good thing, you'd still have to concede that the way it operates has left a lot of bodies behind. Hell I even know a kiwi that fucking hates the IMF for what happened to NZ in the 80s, and that was relatively minor. So conspiracy theories are going to be rife.

With that said, clearly he's being punished by the reptile lizard Illuminati.

[Ashmoria]

There's a chapter in the NY Penal code which lays out the Max. and Min. sentences for the different classes of felonies and misdemeanors, so you could work out a worst and base case scenario for each of the charges. Lots of other considerations come into play but it'll give a ball-park idea of how deep the shit he's in if convicted.

Over 70 years I think. Total max, if convicted of all charges.

yeah

but what can we reasonably expect a rich powerful famous foreigner to get if convicted in this case?

im expecting a quick plea bargain with no actual prison time.

[Sibirsky]

Over 70 years I think. Total max, if convicted of all charges.

yeah

but what can we reasonably expect a rich powerful famous foreigner to get if convicted in this case?

im expecting a quick plea bargain with no actual prison time.

I don't know. He's the perfect candidate to be made an example of.

Also, it's important to note, that the lowest maximum sentence of any charge he is facing is only 3 months. And the highest 25 years (2 counts of that though).

[Lacadaemon]

im expecting a quick plea bargain with no actual prison time.

I'm not sure. The allegations, if true, are very serious. Letting him skate on this may create more problems than it would solve.

[Ashmoria]

yeah

but what can we reasonably expect a rich powerful famous foreigner to get if convicted in this case?

im expecting a quick plea bargain with no actual prison time.

I don't know. He's the perfect candidate to be made an example of.

Also, it's important to note, that the lowest maximum sentence of any charge he is facing is only 3 months. And the highest 25 years (2 counts of that though).

if convicted i would really very much like him to get 25 to life. but it seems likely to me that he would rather make a deal and go home in disgrace instead of risking a stint in sing-sing.

[Ashmoria]

im expecting a quick plea bargain with no actual prison time.

I'm not sure. The allegations, if true, are very serious. Letting him skate on this may create more problems than it would solve.

can you think of other prominent men who got significant prison time for a charge this serious?

phil spector got 19 to life for murder....

john du pont got 13-30 for murder...

[Sibirsky]

I don't know. He's the perfect candidate to be made an example of.

Also, it's important to note, that the lowest maximum sentence of any charge he is facing is only 3 months. And the highest 25 years (2 counts of that though).

if convicted i would really very much like him to get 25 to life. but it seems likely to me that he would rather make a deal and go home in disgrace instead of risking a stint in sing-sing.

Life is not a possibility in the strict sense. No single charge has that sentence. However, like I said the max is over 70 years. Of course for a 62 year old, 70 years is life.

[Lackadaisical2]

I don't know. He's the perfect candidate to be made an example of.

Also, it's important to note, that the lowest maximum sentence of any charge he is facing is only 3 months. And the highest 25 years (2 counts of that though).

if convicted i would really very much like him to get 25 to life. but it seems likely to me that he would rather make a deal and go home in disgrace instead of risking a stint in sing-sing.

But that might not be what the US wants, it'd be nice to show people that the rich and powerful don't always get off with a slap on the wrist...

[Lacadaemon]

can you think of other prominent men who got significant prison time for a charge this serious?

At this level, not for rape. But presumably that's because rapists in those circles are uncommon (or if the tin is to be believed, it is all hushed up before the justice system acts).

But I can think of congressmen that have been given longish prison sentences. Just because he's the head of the IMF doesn't mean he can skate. And if it does, then I think allowing that will only further damage the government's already lacking credibility, and they know that.

And like Sib. says, he's the perfect to make and example of. The IMF head is more or less window dressing.

[Ashmoria]

can you think of other prominent men who got significant prison time for a charge this serious?

At this level, not for rape. But presumably that's because rapists in those circles are uncommon (or if the tin is to be believed, it is all hushed up before the justice system acts).

But I can think of congressmen that have been given longish prison sentences. Just because he's the head of the IMF doesn't mean he can skate. And if it does, then I think allowing that will only further damage the government's already lacking credibility, and they know that.

And like Sib. says, he's the perfect to make and example of. The IMF head is more or less window dressing.

i suppose its to early to worry about it anyway.

[Lacadaemon]

He's resigned now. So no longer the head of the IMF.

Also, as to him getting special treatment: Apparently his wife wanted to visit him yesterday, but wasn't allowed to, because Wednesday is A-L day on Rikers. She'll have to wait until today, which is M-Z.

He's also on the wing for HIV+ inmates. Apparently his victim lived in housing for HIV patients, so I guess that's the reason, though she apparently claims she was just sub-letting and isn't actually HIV+ herself.

At any rate, it is not looking good for him.

[Lackadaisical2]

He's resigned now. So no longer the head of the IMF.

Also, as to him getting special treatment: Apparently his wife wanted to visit him yesterday, but wasn't allowed to, because Wednesday is A-L day on Rikers. She'll have to wait until today, which is M-Z.

He's also on the wing for HIV+ inmates. Apparently his victim lived in housing for HIV patients, so I guess that's the reason, though she apparently claims she was just sub-letting and isn't actually HIV+ herself.

At any rate, it is not looking good for him.

Thats fucking hilarious.

[Lacadaemon]

Thats fucking hilarious.

Yeah. Rikers is fucking horrible. You can't live here for any length of time without hearing the stories. And supposedly he's getting no special treatment. No bail either.

Oh yeah, according to the local news, he's on suicide watch.

[Mike the Progressive]

Well looks like another victory for the socialists *snickers*

[Wikipedia and Universe]

Thats fucking hilarious.

Yeah. Rikers is fucking horrible. You can't live here for any length of time without hearing the stories. And supposedly he's getting no special treatment. No bail either.

Oh yeah, according to the local news, he's on suicide watch.

Considering people pegged him for the next President of France, I say FUCK YEAH!

[Neu Leonstein]

Well looks like another victory for the socialists *snickers*

More amusingly, educated high-class French left-wing intellectuals are serving up some classics.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpet ... efs_arrest

According to Anthony Daniels, Mr de Miranda penned a piece for Libération under the title "a philosophical hero". Taking DSK's guilt for granted (which we should certainly not do), the author says that “we bet that in his depths Dominique Strauss-Kahn is joyful. Perhaps he doesn’t admit it to himself yet. But behaving thus at this point in his biography could only have been voluntary. I add that it is heroic.”

Why heroic? Because DSK engaged in a supreme act of self-sacrifice, apparently: “If the cleaning woman has been attacked, the woman worker had violence done to her, then we are touching on the sublime, in the Kantian sense...A political suicide rather than the death of an automaton or the possibility of a reign unleashed.”

[Greal]

One great way to destroy someone's credibility is to allege a sex assault. Just saying.

[Andaluciae]

The capital markets should be treating America in the same fashion as they are treating Portugal and Greece -- both places where the socialist behaving people have given themselves more benefits than can be collected in taxes and thus the government is sunk in debt.

Except that a lot of America's debt problems appear to have been caused by tax cuts by a republican president and two wars started by that same president.

The annual deficits are based in the tax cut-wars-recession nexus, but the systemic budgetary problem, looking out the next couple of decades, is in the entitlement programs. We need massive social security and medicaid reforms as soon as possible, to really keep the country from going broke.

[Ashmoria]

Well looks like another victory for the socialists *snickers*

More amusingly, educated high-class French left-wing intellectuals are serving up some classics.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpet ... efs_arrest

According to Anthony Daniels, Mr de Miranda penned a piece for Libération under the title "a philosophical hero". Taking DSK's guilt for granted (which we should certainly not do), the author says that “we bet that in his depths Dominique Strauss-Kahn is joyful. Perhaps he doesn’t admit it to himself yet. But behaving thus at this point in his biography could only have been voluntary. I add that it is heroic.”

Why heroic? Because DSK engaged in a supreme act of self-sacrifice, apparently: “If the cleaning woman has been attacked, the woman worker had violence done to her, then we are touching on the sublime, in the Kantian sense...A political suicide rather than the death of an automaton or the possibility of a reign unleashed.”

huh?

is he saying that DSK raped a maid so that he would get arrested and free us all from his continued control of the IMF and possible french presidency? a psychologically motivated attack that has left him happy because it frees him from that burden?

[Ashmoria]

One great way to destroy someone's credibility is to allege a sex assault. Just saying.

uhhuh

but why say it?

[Baltenstein]

So, DSK has been bailed out for a million bugs.

[Lacadaemon]

Oooh, will he try the Airport play?