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GeneralHaNor
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Mon May 02, 2011 8:52 am

Ashmoria wrote:
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I at the very least would have liked to verify the body, before the public. Press camera's would have been fine. I can trust CNN.
But just their word that he's dead?, I just don't have that much faith (not calling Obama a liar, but one must always be "sure" )

if you cant take his word for it then you wouldnt have been convinced by seeing a body or seeing dna results. those are easy enough to fake.


First, you aren't me and don't know jack about what would convince me or not.
I don't give a damn about DNA (and it's difficult as hell to fake when done right). I would be convinced by a photographed if presented with one from a trustable source (whitehouse.gov is not a trusted source for news, they have an obvious political bias)

Sources I will accept
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NBC
ABC
BBC
CBC
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Again, I'm not saying Obama is alive somewhere, or that he died awhile ago or anything of that source. Indeed I'm pretty sure the story happened just as Obama told it. However I am a skeptical, Cynical man, who does not take things on faith, and requires proof

So again, you don't know me. and your insinuation that I am of the type of people who refuse to accept any evidence is insulting to both my and your intelligence
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Postby Dododecapod » Mon May 02, 2011 8:52 am

Scomagia wrote:I think it's great that we killed him and all, but I can't help thinking that a trial would have been more satisfying, it feels like he got off light.


Precisely why he would never have allowed it. May have been better this way - no calls of "victor's justice", no chance of a shoch acquital.
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Postby Sibirsky » Mon May 02, 2011 8:54 am

1600 posts in hours. Impressive.

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Postby Dododecapod » Mon May 02, 2011 8:54 am

Hydesland wrote:
Dododecapod wrote:Silly. Just put a "Graphic Content" notice on and put them on an official website. Weaklings or those who react to blood can avoid. Everybody else can enjoy.


Apparently it's more like "exposed brains" than simply blood.


Mm, that is pretty horrible. Wouldn't bother me, but I've been around hospitals and medicine all my life. Some stuff I've seen would cause a lot of people to freak out - exposed brain matter is pretty squicky.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Mon May 02, 2011 8:57 am

Sibirsky wrote:1600 posts in hours. Impressive.


Indeed, there was already more than 40 pages and I suspect a few thread mergers by the time I was presumptuous enough to consider starting a thread.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 02, 2011 8:59 am

GeneralHaNor wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:if you cant take his word for it then you wouldnt have been convinced by seeing a body or seeing dna results. those are easy enough to fake.


First, you aren't me and don't know jack about what would convince me or not.
I don't give a damn about DNA (and it's difficult as hell to fake when done right). I would be convinced by a photographed if presented with one from a trustable source (whitehouse.gov is not a trusted source for news, they have an obvious political bias)

Sources I will accept
CNN
NBC
ABC
BBC
CBC
AP
Reuters

Again, I'm not saying Obama is alive somewhere, or that he died awhile ago or anything of that source. Indeed I'm pretty sure the story happened just as Obama told it. However I am a skeptical, Cynical man, who does not take things on faith, and requires proof

So again, you don't know me. and your insinuation that I am of the type of people who refuse to accept any evidence is insulting to both my and your intelligence

if you cant believe the president then you cant believe news outlets that report news based on the word of the president.

you think that the CIA couldnt make a body look like the shot up remains of osama bin laden good enough to fool cnn?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 02, 2011 8:59 am

Dododecapod wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I think it's great that we killed him and all, but I can't help thinking that a trial would have been more satisfying, it feels like he got off light.


Precisely why he would never have allowed it. May have been better this way - no calls of "victor's justice", no chance of a shoch acquital.

SkyNews commentators were speculating that one of Osama's own bodyguards could have killed him, rather than allow him to be captured alive. Though I think its since come out that one of the SEALs killed him.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Mon May 02, 2011 9:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dododecapod wrote:
Precisely why he would never have allowed it. May have been better this way - no calls of "victor's justice", no chance of a shoch acquital.

SkyNews commentators were speculating that one of Osama's own bodyguards could have killed him, rather than allow him to be captured alive. Though I think its since come out that one of the SEALs killed him.


Aye, the BBC is saying it was Navy Seal Team Six.
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Mon May 02, 2011 9:01 am

Ashmoria wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:
First, you aren't me and don't know jack about what would convince me or not.
I don't give a damn about DNA (and it's difficult as hell to fake when done right). I would be convinced by a photographed if presented with one from a trustable source (whitehouse.gov is not a trusted source for news, they have an obvious political bias)

Sources I will accept
CNN
NBC
ABC
BBC
CBC
AP
Reuters

Again, I'm not saying Obama is alive somewhere, or that he died awhile ago or anything of that source. Indeed I'm pretty sure the story happened just as Obama told it. However I am a skeptical, Cynical man, who does not take things on faith, and requires proof

So again, you don't know me. and your insinuation that I am of the type of people who refuse to accept any evidence is insulting to both my and your intelligence

if you cant believe the president then you cant believe news outlets that report news based on the word of the president.

you think that the CIA couldnt make a body look like the shot up remains of osama bin laden good enough to fool cnn?


I can believe whatever I want, from whoever I want, you saying I can't doesn't make it so. This belief that you know how my mind works is insulting, and is being to piss me off.

And I expect CNN to do the homework (research) if they didn't, I wouldn't trust them as a news source.
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Postby Utopia FTW » Mon May 02, 2011 9:02 am

Trump wants to see Osama's death certificate!
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Postby Faelq » Mon May 02, 2011 9:03 am

So, seriously, is there any chance we'll be getting the Patriot Act appealled or at least amended?
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 02, 2011 9:04 am

GeneralHaNor wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:if you cant believe the president then you cant believe news outlets that report news based on the word of the president.

you think that the CIA couldnt make a body look like the shot up remains of osama bin laden good enough to fool cnn?


I can believe whatever I want, from whoever I want, you saying I can't doesn't make it so. This belief that you know how my mind works is insulting, and is being to piss me off.

And I expect CNN to do the homework (research) if they didn't, I wouldn't trust them as a news source.

and your irrational anger is making me think that i must be right even though i obviously meant a generic "you".
whatever

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Postby Dododecapod » Mon May 02, 2011 9:06 am

Faelq wrote:So, seriously, is there any chance we'll be getting the Patriot Act appealled or at least amended?


Not with the current DemoRep lineup. With gradual changes in the support base and hard lobbying to kick out the more insane half of the goernment, maybe in fifteen years or so.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 02, 2011 9:06 am

Faelq wrote:So, seriously, is there any chance we'll be getting the Patriot Act appealled or at least amended?

no i dont think there is much chance of that.

the government never gives up power.
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Postby Rambhutan » Mon May 02, 2011 9:08 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:Aye, the BBC is saying it was Navy Seal Team Six.


They will be getting an extra ration of fish tonight.
Are we there yet?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 02, 2011 9:09 am

Rambhutan wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:Aye, the BBC is saying it was Navy Seal Team Six.


They will be getting an extra ration of fish tonight.


And a coloured ball?

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Postby Risottia » Mon May 02, 2011 9:11 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Rambhutan wrote:
They will be getting an extra ration of fish tonight.


And a coloured ball?


That's only for when they'll be able to kill Osama, somersault to Iran and do the Ahmadinejad. In 5 minutes.
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Postby Sibirsky » Mon May 02, 2011 9:13 am

Utopia FTW wrote:Trump wants to see Osama's death certificate!
:mad:

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon May 02, 2011 9:15 am

Wait, so not only does this happen on the same date as Hitler's death, but also on the same day as the ill-advised 'Mission Accomplished' speech?

Meaningless coincidences but still weird.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 02, 2011 9:16 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Rambhutan wrote:
They will be getting an extra ration of fish tonight.


And a coloured ball?

*claps heartily*
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Postby New Lusitaniagrad » Mon May 02, 2011 9:16 am

They say he was buried at sea, shame. It would have been nice to see his head on a pike.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 02, 2011 9:17 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Wait, so not only does this happen on the same date as Hitler's death, but also on the same day as the ill-advised 'Mission Accomplished' speech?

Meaningless coincidences but still weird.

Hah. Nice timing, Obama.
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Postby Dododecapod » Mon May 02, 2011 9:17 am

New Lusitaniagrad wrote:They say he was buried at sea, shame. It would have been nice to see his head on a pike.


Some barbarisms need reviving.
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Postby Laerod » Mon May 02, 2011 9:19 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Wait, so not only does this happen on the same date as Hitler's death, but also on the same day as the ill-advised 'Mission Accomplished' speech?

Meaningless coincidences but still weird.

Hitler's death was on the night of the 30th.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 02, 2011 9:20 am

New Lusitaniagrad wrote:They say he was buried at sea, shame. It would have been nice to see his head on a pike.


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