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Postby Faith Hope Charity » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:32 pm

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawaii-ot ... usions/123

Hawaii, Other States, Form Caucus to Oppose TSA Intrusions

BY SEN. SAM SLOM – Believing that the federal Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has gone too far in an assault on individual and states rights, a new, national, bipartisan legislative caucus is emerging to take action.

Dubbed tentatively the “United States for Travel Freedom” caucus, it officially convened on April 14, 2011 via teleconference and video live streaming (http//alaskalegislature.tv/).

The mission of the caucus is to, “establish a centralized location to share information regarding

· detailed information of federal security policies as they pertain to the right to travel freely;
· detailed information on how these policies affect the citizens of the United States of America;
· detailed information on methods of screening and the accumulative costs of these procedures.

Primary organizers are Alaska State Representative Sharon Cissna and Washington State Senator Val Stevens. Republican and Democrat legislators from Alaska, Hawaii, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington have pledged to work together for common goals to oppose what is perceived as an ever growing threat to liberty by the TSA. Additional state legislative participation is anticipated.

Each of the lawmakers involved to date has introduced legislation in their state to curb what they, and their state’s citizens, believe to be excessive power by the TSA.

Specific issues include constitutional rights, invasion of privacy and civil rights, child protection and fiscal issues. Many of the state bills call for individual state prohibitions on TSA procedures with the ultimate goal federal action against the operations of the TSA itself.

(a series of legislative lists regarding pending legislation may be found at http://www.akhealthcaucus.org/TSA.php)

In Hawaii, I introduced SB 1150 in January, 2011, “Relating to the use of Body Imaging Scanners at Airports.” The bill would make it illegal to use non-consensual full body imaging devices at Hawaii airports. There were four Democrat co-signatories. The bill was referred to three separate committees, but never given a hearing. It will be back in 2012.

The full imaging device was installed at Lihue, Kauai, in mid-2010. A second unit was placed in service in Honolulu in October 2010, and to date, two more of a planned six units are in operation in Honolulu.

For years, a growing number of people and organizations have raised red flags about the operations of the TSA, its costs and its effectiveness, or lack thereof, of ever identifying a single terrorist or crime, while inconveniencing and traumatizing hundreds of citizens. Now TSA will be unionized.

There are several national and local controversial issues involving TSA. Last week, a video surfaced on Drudge.com, showing (video and audio) the detailed “patting down” of a six year old child. Parents were horrified.

In March, 2011 in Honolulu, KITV-TV investigative reporter Keoki Kerr uncovered a series of incidents at Honolulu International Airport where more than two dozen TSA screeners were not in fact screening checked luggage. The lapse had gone on for months. At least 27 TSA Honolulu officers are currently under a federal probe for these actions.

Just this week, a former Honolulu TSA employee, Dawn Nicole Keka, is facing embezzling charges for allegedly stealing cash from wallets of Japanese visitors in Kona on the island of Hawaii. Keka was arrested last week and she resigned her job on April 11. The TSA initiated a sting operation after numerous allegations had arisen during the past several months.

It should be remembered that Alaska Representative Cissna made headlines previously, when she, a breast surgery survivor, refused invasive TSA handling and was denied aircraft boarding to return home to Anchorage. She was forced to use several other forms of alternate transportation.

In Hawaii, there are no other alternate forms of transportation.


So what do you think? Is it a good idea for there to be an Anti-TSA Caucus in congress now? I, for one am all for this effort, and i wish it would've happened a long time ago.
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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:33 pm

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Postby Maurepas » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:34 pm

I'm all for it, someone needs to stand up and tell the TSA how ridiculous they are.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:41 pm

Maurepas wrote:I'm all for it, someone needs to stand up and tell the TSA how ridiculous they are.

Excuse me sir, could you step out of the forum for a moment, we have a few... questions for you.

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Postby Meowfoundland » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:43 pm

Hopefully the TSA gets the message.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:44 pm

I prefer to hit the airlines where it hurts and take the train.
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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:44 pm

I have no problem with the TSA, besides them hiring Non-Americans. I'd rather have by man parts rubbed to check for a hidden vial of anthrax then see another 9/11.

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Postby Kalibarr » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:45 pm

No. Caucus Block.


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Postby Faith Hope Charity » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:46 pm

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:I have no problem with the TSA, besides them hiring Non-Americans. I'd rather have by man parts rubbed to check for a hidden vial of anthrax then see another 9/11.

Sacrifices must be made. If you don't like it, then you can DRIVE your way to Florida for the Summer.


Funny that you would have such a sentiment... I'm supposed to be going to a family reunion this summer in Maine.. i live in California.. guess whos not going to the family reunion cuz of TSA? Me. I refuse to subject myself to that crap.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:47 pm

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:I prefer to hit the airlines where it hurts and take the train.

TSA=/=Airlines
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:48 pm

Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:I have no problem with the TSA, besides them hiring Non-Americans. I'd rather have by man parts rubbed to check for a hidden vial of anthrax then see another 9/11.

Sacrifices must be made. If you don't like it, then you can DRIVE your way to Florida for the Summer.


Funny that you would have such a sentiment... I'm supposed to be going to a family reunion this summer in Maine.. i live in California.. guess whos not going to the family reunion cuz of TSA? Me. I refuse to subject myself to that crap.

Could take the train, or bus.

Although those will violate you in ways more profound and damaging than a strip search ever could.
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Postby Faith Hope Charity » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:49 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Funny that you would have such a sentiment... I'm supposed to be going to a family reunion this summer in Maine.. i live in California.. guess whos not going to the family reunion cuz of TSA? Me. I refuse to subject myself to that crap.

Could take the train, or bus.

Although those will violate you in ways more profound and damaging than a strip search ever could.


I dont have the time to waste on those forms of transportation... they are simply too slow for the time i have available, so i am going to opt out.
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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:50 pm

Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:I have no problem with the TSA, besides them hiring Non-Americans. I'd rather have by man parts rubbed to check for a hidden vial of anthrax then see another 9/11.

Sacrifices must be made. If you don't like it, then you can DRIVE your way to Florida for the Summer.


Funny that you would have such a sentiment... I'm supposed to be going to a family reunion this summer in Maine.. i live in California.. guess whos not going to the family reunion cuz of TSA? Me. I refuse to subject myself to that crap.


It's not TSAs fault, you might as well be a terrorist from what I've gathered, trying to hide his attempts to blow up a Cali-Maine flight by saying it was a family reunion. If you can't handle walking through a metal detector, emptying your pockets, and getting your I.D checked, then perhaps you don't need to fly, you might harm the other passengers with your Far-Left Bullshit.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:51 pm

Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Could take the train, or bus.

Although those will violate you in ways more profound and damaging than a strip search ever could.


I dont have the time to waste on those forms of transportation... they are simply too slow for the time i have available, so i am going to opt out.

Just ride the airplane, chances are you can pick the line that only has a metal detector, I've done it before.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:53 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:I prefer to hit the airlines where it hurts and take the train.

TSA=/=Airlines

Indeed. But the government clearly doesn't give a crap about how the people feel, therefore I put pressure on the people who they do care about, and who are complicit in allowing the TSA's antics, not to mention encouraging the thriving baggage theft industry.
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Postby Faith Hope Charity » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:56 pm

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:
Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Funny that you would have such a sentiment... I'm supposed to be going to a family reunion this summer in Maine.. i live in California.. guess whos not going to the family reunion cuz of TSA? Me. I refuse to subject myself to that crap.


It's not TSAs fault, you might as well be a terrorist from what I've gathered, trying to hide his attempts to blow up a Cali-Maine flight by saying it was a family reunion. If you can't handle walking through a metal detector, emptying your pockets, and getting your I.D checked, then perhaps you don't need to fly, you might harm the other passengers with your Far-Left Bullshit.


Far left? this guy hasnt been around very long, has he? lolol... I dont buy into terrorism paranoia... I dont believe the government has it together enough to stop terorists at the airport level... I have a friend in the TSA.. i hear plenty of stuff that makes me doubt their effectiveness. Internal Auditing suggests that operators miss planted simulated explosives / firearms 60-90% of the time, and whats more, TSA has never once stopped a terrorist, its just harassment of the populace.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:59 pm

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:TSA=/=Airlines

Indeed. But the government clearly doesn't give a crap about how the people feel, therefore I put pressure on the people who they do care about, and who are complicit in allowing the TSA's antics, not to mention encouraging the thriving baggage theft industry.

Fair points I suppose.
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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:05 pm

Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:
It's not TSAs fault, you might as well be a terrorist from what I've gathered, trying to hide his attempts to blow up a Cali-Maine flight by saying it was a family reunion. If you can't handle walking through a metal detector, emptying your pockets, and getting your I.D checked, then perhaps you don't need to fly, you might harm the other passengers with your Far-Left Bullshit.


Far left? this guy hasnt been around very long, has he? lolol... I dont buy into terrorism paranoia... I dont believe the government has it together enough to stop terorists at the airport level... I have a friend in the TSA.. i hear plenty of stuff that makes me doubt their effectiveness. Internal Auditing suggests that operators miss planted simulated explosives / firearms 60-90% of the time, and whats more, TSA has never once stopped a terrorist, its just harassment of the populace.

I've been around long enough to know how to spell 'Terrorists', and use Apostrophes.

Do you think a Terrorist is going to take the chance of going through increased airport security? Of fucking course not. There have been very, very few Terrorists in recent years, and none of them have succeeded. It could be a sign of a decline in U.S Terrorism, or it could be that the TSA is doing their job, and you and your 'friend' don't know about it.

No, no, disregard ALL, of what I just said. Get rid of the TSA, get rid of Airport Security, get rid of it all. We'll see a very, very high increase in events like 9/11, all because you don't have a backbone.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:09 pm

Also, I hope those people don't plan on flying anywhere soon:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/ts ... tml?hpt=T2
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Postby Faith Hope Charity » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:11 pm

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:
Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Far left? this guy hasnt been around very long, has he? lolol... I dont buy into terrorism paranoia... I dont believe the government has it together enough to stop terorists at the airport level... I have a friend in the TSA.. i hear plenty of stuff that makes me doubt their effectiveness. Internal Auditing suggests that operators miss planted simulated explosives / firearms 60-90% of the time, and whats more, TSA has never once stopped a terrorist, its just harassment of the populace.

I've been around long enough to know how to spell 'Terrorists', and use Apostrophes.

Do you think a Terrorist is going to take the chance of going through increased airport security? Of fucking course not. There have been very, very few Terrorists in recent years, and none of them have succeeded. It could be a sign of a decline in U.S Terrorism, or it could be that the TSA is doing their job, and you and your 'friend' don't know about it.

No, no, disregard ALL, of what I just said. Get rid of the TSA, get rid of Airport Security, get rid of it all. We'll see a very, very high increase in events like 9/11, all because you don't have a backbone.


Ok.. site for me an example of a terrorist that was stopped by the TSA. Terrorists will always be one step ahead of the system, so it really doesnt matter how much we molest our own citizenry, they will develop new ways around it. I don't think many people would be up for a cavity search the next time they go to the airport cuz some terrorist idiot decided to smuggle an explosive device where the sun don't shine. The way the TSA is operating, thats what we can look forward to. Life is full of risks.. nothing is fool-proof, the government can leave us the hell alone, and abide by the 4th amendment. They are not above the law.
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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:21 pm

Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:I've been around long enough to know how to spell 'Terrorists', and use Apostrophes.

Do you think a Terrorist is going to take the chance of going through increased airport security? Of fucking course not. There have been very, very few Terrorists in recent years, and none of them have succeeded. It could be a sign of a decline in U.S Terrorism, or it could be that the TSA is doing their job, and you and your 'friend' don't know about it.

No, no, disregard ALL, of what I just said. Get rid of the TSA, get rid of Airport Security, get rid of it all. We'll see a very, very high increase in events like 9/11, all because you don't have a backbone.


Ok.. site for me an example of a terrorist that was stopped by the TSA. Terrorists will always be one step ahead of the system, so it really doesnt matter how much we molest our own citizenry, they will develop new ways around it. I don't think many people would be up for a cavity search the next time they go to the airport cuz some terrorist idiot decided to smuggle an explosive device where the sun don't shine. The way the TSA is operating, thats what we can look forward to. Life is full of risks.. nothing is fool-proof, the government can leave us the hell alone, and abide by the 4th amendment. They are not above the law.

In Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that the amendment's protections do not apply when the searched party lacks a "reasonable expectation of privacy".

You're in the public eye, you are within a building where people from all around the nation, nay, the world, gather to go to one place to another. Calling it 'Molestation' is simply idiotic. Want to know a secret? I've never been frisked, and I've never brought a banned item into the airport, and I've flown at least fifty times in my life, it's called common sense.

Only those who have something to hide get frisked. How about you 'site' for me who your 'friend' is within the TSA that 'knows' that the agency he works for isn't correct. People are stopped from boarding planes all the time, every day, they don't announce it on T.V, because when they're pulled out of line, they're brought to a back room and interrogated, then shipped out of there to good old Gitmo.
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Postby Faith Hope Charity » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:30 pm

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:
Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Ok.. site for me an example of a terrorist that was stopped by the TSA. Terrorists will always be one step ahead of the system, so it really doesnt matter how much we molest our own citizenry, they will develop new ways around it. I don't think many people would be up for a cavity search the next time they go to the airport cuz some terrorist idiot decided to smuggle an explosive device where the sun don't shine. The way the TSA is operating, thats what we can look forward to. Life is full of risks.. nothing is fool-proof, the government can leave us the hell alone, and abide by the 4th amendment. They are not above the law.

In Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that the amendment's protections do not apply when the searched party lacks a "reasonable expectation of privacy".

You're in the public eye, you are within a building where people from all around the nation, nay, the world, gather to go to one place to another. Calling it 'Molestation' is simply idiotic. Want to know a secret? I've never been frisked, and I've never brought a banned item into the airport, and I've flown at least fifty times in my life, it's called common sense.

Only those who have something to hide get frisked. How about you 'site' for me who your 'friend' is within the TSA that 'knows' that the agency he works for isn't correct. People are stopped from boarding planes all the time, every day, they don't announce it on T.V, because when they're pulled out of line, they're brought to a back room and interrogated, then shipped out of there to good old Gitmo.


So you are quite alright with the government treating people as if they are guilty before proven such.. i gotcha.. you arent innocent till we prove you are.. who wants to live under that? you might, but not me... you still havent cited a single example of TSA actually doing what they are out to do and catching a terrorist, and you cant refute everything else ive said.
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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:37 pm

Faith Hope Charity wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:In Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967), the Supreme Court ruled that the amendment's protections do not apply when the searched party lacks a "reasonable expectation of privacy".

You're in the public eye, you are within a building where people from all around the nation, nay, the world, gather to go to one place to another. Calling it 'Molestation' is simply idiotic. Want to know a secret? I've never been frisked, and I've never brought a banned item into the airport, and I've flown at least fifty times in my life, it's called common sense.

Only those who have something to hide get frisked. How about you 'site' for me who your 'friend' is within the TSA that 'knows' that the agency he works for isn't correct. People are stopped from boarding planes all the time, every day, they don't announce it on T.V, because when they're pulled out of line, they're brought to a back room and interrogated, then shipped out of there to good old Gitmo.


So you are quite alright with the government treating people as if they are guilty before proven such.. i gotcha.. you arent innocent till we prove you are.. who wants to live under that? you might, but not me... you still havent cited a single example of TSA actually doing what they are out to do and catching a terrorist, and you cant refute everything else ive said.


Do you not fucking understand? Do you think any sane government, after a event like 9/11, would just stand by and let Extremists waltz right into a airport? No, you're the crackpot that thinks being frisked isn't worth the security of 3,000 people.

And YOU have yet to prove that you know ANYONE within the TSA, Do you really think that "Alaska, Hawaii, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington" are going to be targets for Terrorists? Of course not, once they get rid of the TSA there, they'll be getting plenty of bombs.

No one takes some Hawaiian Reporter seriously, nor do they take you seriously. I think it's clear that you would rather have thousands dieing do to no security, just because you don't like going through Airport Security.

Pathetic.
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:37 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Maurepas wrote:I'm all for it, someone needs to stand up and tell the TSA how ridiculous they are.

Excuse me sir, could you step out of the forum for a moment, we have a few... questions for you.

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Postby Republicke » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:40 pm

Where were these guys when the Patriot Act was passed?
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