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by Mike the Progressive » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:05 pm
by Oterro » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:06 pm
Angleter wrote:Oterro wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Orthodox church was established before the catholic one; so wouldn't that mean you are infact a pseudo-orthodox-brethren?
Well, both were created when the initial church split- the Patriarch of Rome, who had always been 'first among equals' in the church, formed the Catholic Church; and the Patriarchs of Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria all formed the Orthodox Church. Catholics will claim the Orthodox are the schismatics, and vice versa. Efforts have recently been made towards reconciliation and reunification, but to little avail.
by Ceannairceach » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:06 pm
by Farnhamia » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:07 pm
by Conserative Morality » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:07 pm
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by Serrland » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:08 pm
Oterro wrote:Angleter wrote:
Well, both were created when the initial church split- the Patriarch of Rome, who had always been 'first among equals' in the church, formed the Catholic Church; and the Patriarchs of Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria all formed the Orthodox Church. Catholics will claim the Orthodox are the schismatics, and vice versa. Efforts have recently been made towards reconciliation and reunification, but to little avail.
After some investigation, both churches claim to be as old as each other. However, Catholicism was apparently the state religion of Rome before it fell, so I am wrong, I believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_c ... _antiquity
by Ceannairceach » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:08 pm
by Mike the Progressive » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:10 pm
by Ceannairceach » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:13 pm
by Charlotte Ryberg » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:15 pm
The new version, however, swaps “the virgin” for ” the young woman.”
by Farnhamia » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:17 pm
Serrland wrote:Oterro wrote:
After some investigation, both churches claim to be as old as each other. However, Catholicism was apparently the state religion of Rome before it fell, so I am wrong, I believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_c ... _antiquity
Catholicism implies that there was a big C catholic, which at the time there really wasn't, though, iirc.
by Farnhamia » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:18 pm
by Dredlockslavach » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:22 pm
by Ceannairceach » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:23 pm
Dredlockslavach wrote:I not a catholic. They've got some things wrong about their religion. I'm a baptist.
by Oterro » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:24 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Serrland wrote:
Catholicism implies that there was a big C catholic, which at the time there really wasn't, though, iirc.
More like there wasn't a little C, since the Latin alphabet in use was a majescule one (all upper case) and Greek doesn't have the letter C ... sorry ...
Remember what "catholic" means: "universal". The Church - the one Church - was Orthodox and Catholic. The Western Church could say that it was holding to the original foundation, with Saint Peter as the Bishop of Rome, and the Eastern might say they were doing the same, because in the original Church no one Bishopric was greater than any other.
by Dredlockslavach » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:26 pm
by Ceannairceach » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:26 pm
Oterro wrote:Farnhamia wrote:More like there wasn't a little C, since the Latin alphabet in use was a majescule one (all upper case) and Greek doesn't have the letter C ... sorry ...
Remember what "catholic" means: "universal". The Church - the one Church - was Orthodox and Catholic. The Western Church could say that it was holding to the original foundation, with Saint Peter as the Bishop of Rome, and the Eastern might say they were doing the same, because in the original Church no one Bishopric was greater than any other.
But you know which is older, don't you?
by Ceannairceach » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:27 pm
by Oterro » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:30 pm
by The Southern Dictators » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:32 pm
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Volnotova wrote:Oh ffs, if there is one thing I can't stand it is this plethora of weeping and depressed people in this thread that will not hesitate to use every opportunity available to exlcaim how something like this made them lose (all) faith in humanity(including themselves).
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by Farnhamia » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:34 pm
Oterro wrote:Farnhamia wrote:More like there wasn't a little C, since the Latin alphabet in use was a majescule one (all upper case) and Greek doesn't have the letter C ... sorry ...
Remember what "catholic" means: "universal". The Church - the one Church - was Orthodox and Catholic. The Western Church could say that it was holding to the original foundation, with Saint Peter as the Bishop of Rome, and the Eastern might say they were doing the same, because in the original Church no one Bishopric was greater than any other.
But you know which is older, don't you?
by Distruzio » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:04 am
Mike the Progressive wrote:OrangeCats wrote:
I don't get the impression that Catholic doctrine would change on that point, only the way it's worded in the Old Testament prophecy. It doesn't look like they'd change the reference to her being a virgin in the New Testament.
They didn't and they haven't. What my pseudo-Catholic brother fails to mention or realizes is that the Church holds Mary's virginity very dear, to where it has been criticized by mainstream churches for misinterpreting the Bible. The whole entire purpose of this change is to make reading scripture easier for everyday folks, who in all honesty, are illiterate morons. Now just changing it from virgin to a young woman is irrelevant, because I'm sure the version still tells the story of Christ being born without her having sex. Mariology is still alive and well in the true one holy, catholic apostolic church.
by The Archregimancy » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:52 am
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