Nazi Germany's category in Nationstates

[Hellsgrind]

No. West Germany was in ruins and misery after 1945.
You're forgetting this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_P ... war_events
West Germany got a total of 1448 million US$ through the ERP.

Everything was in ruins after 1945. It was in mainland Europe.

[The Congregationists]

Iron fist consumerists makes the most sense, though a case could be made for psycho dictatorship. Not quite as tightly controlled an economy as communism, rigid control in political and civil society.

[Mount Shavano]

Wait, they did?

I thought the Germans subordinated business interests to state/war interests.

This is correct.

[Hellsgrind]

Corporate police state since the state and private business allmost merged into one.

Wait, they did?

I thought the Germans subordinated business interests to state/war interests.

The State and many businesses were merged together to provide a much more efficient way of building weapons. Corporations and businesses were given slave workers, (Jews or other 'undesirables') provided by the State, which thereby helped to not only increase their productivity (no representation, oftentimes workers were on highly strenuous work shifts) but also to help increase the profit of the businessman, (being slaves, there were no wages).

The business owners, for the most part, had no complaints about this.

[Sorratsin]

Psychotic dictatorship or father knows best state.

[Iander]

Father Knows Best state I think..

[Risottia]

No. West Germany was in ruins and misery after 1945.
You're forgetting this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_P ... war_events
West Germany got a total of 1448 million US$ through the ERP.

Everything was in ruins after 1945. It was in mainland Europe.

Yep, but Germany was one of the places in mainland Europe that felt most the brunt of the war - of course.

[Arilando]

Corporate police state since the state and private business allmost merged into one.

Wait, they did?

I thought the Germans subordinated business interests to state/war interests.

The bosses still had control of they corporation.

[Hellsgrind]

Everything was in ruins after 1945. It was in mainland Europe.

Yep, but Germany was one of the places in mainland Europe that felt most the brunt of the war - of course.

Indeed, but East Germany I think, had it just a little worse. The Soviets were particularly more Authoritarian in their post-WW2 administration and as such a good number of injustices occurred under the Soviet regime, which is not to say that the other Allies had not incurred similar crimes, but the Soviet administered region was a little worse off, just because it had to have consistent Soviet surveillance of government activities. The NKVD was present, to an extent, in East Germany for quite a long time during the construction and assembly of the East German secret police --or Stasi. This was also true for a number of other Soviet "mirror" programs that were constructed, among them many of the Red Youth programs.

So you could say that while West Germany was at least 'nudged' in a certain direction, East Germany was 'forced' into that direction. Although West Germany would have obviously come under quick retribution had it not followed the Allies' plans for it. Still, I think the fact that the East Germans had the Stasi was perhaps the most detrimental objective to their existence.

[Reichsland Deutschland]

Right-Wing Utopia.

What's so utopistic in being totally pwned by Stalin? I didn't guess that was the right-wingers' dream.

That's retarded.

Yes, Eastern Front was by far the bloodiest one. Russians took out more Germans than anyone else, but they also had the highest deathtoll (25,000,000).

That still doesn't mean they "totally pwned" the Nazis.

Without all the aid the (western) Allies gave USSR, without opening the fronts in Italy and France and whatnot else, Germans would have easily fucked Russia up.

[Hellsgrind]

What's so utopistic in being totally pwned by Stalin? I didn't guess that was the right-wingers' dream.

That's retarded.

Yes, Eastern Front was by far the bloodiest one. Russians took out more Germans than anyone else, but they also had the highest deathtoll (25,000,000).

That still doesn't mean they "totally pwned" the Nazis.

Without all the aid the (western) Allies gave USSR, without opening the fronts in Italy and France and whatnot else, Germans would have easily fucked Russia up.

It was very likely that the numerous mistakes that Hitler was making by the end years of the war (Dismissing Rommel, wasting men in areas were they were not needed, Operation Sea Lion, etc.) were caused by the fact that Hitler was literally fighting the entire world alone. With Japan and Italy gone, (Japan was actually cut-off from the start due to its proximity) Germany was left alone in a similar scenario to the first World War, with Germany holding out against two separate armies (Britain in Africa and Russia in the East), which, after Normandy, became three (America). This of course, stirred some very strong feelings in the Reich, reminding them of the WW1 scenario, and Hitler himself was heavily affected by it. His mental issues began to worsen, and with that, the entire Nazi machine broke down.

Had it not been for the intervention of America, Germany likely would have overcome Stalin. Primarily because Stalin's plan relied on Germany being slowed by the Winter --which he would then take advantage of. But if he had not sacrificed so much resources in fighting the various other fronts, it is very likely that Moscow would have been taken over before Winter and the entire situation in Russia would have been changed immensely.

[Helertia]

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Obviously I'm joking. Heil the glorious Moderators.

[Fongbai]

What's so utopistic in being totally pwned by Stalin? I didn't guess that was the right-wingers' dream.

That's retarded.

Yes, Eastern Front was by far the bloodiest one. Russians took out more Germans than anyone else, but they also had the highest deathtoll (25,000,000).

That still doesn't mean they "totally pwned" the Nazis.

Without all the aid the (western) Allies gave USSR, without opening the fronts in Italy and France and whatnot else, Germans would have easily fucked Russia up.

I agree and disagree with you on that, because I agree that Without allies intervention stalins's russian would've lost to the nazis dominant technology and style of warfare. But, nazis made the biggest mistake that napoleon also made 100 years before. That is invading russia during winter and going to deep inside russia. If they didnt do this russia wouldve lost easily.

[Helertia]

That's retarded.

Yes, Eastern Front was by far the bloodiest one. Russians took out more Germans than anyone else, but they also had the highest deathtoll (25,000,000).

That still doesn't mean they "totally pwned" the Nazis.

Without all the aid the (western) Allies gave USSR, without opening the fronts in Italy and France and whatnot else, Germans would have easily fucked Russia up.

I agree and disagree with you on that, because I agree that Without allies intervention stalins's russian would've lost to the nazis dominant technology and style of warfare. But, nazis made the biggest mistake that napoleon also made 100 years before. That is invading russia during winter and going to deep inside russia. If they didnt do this russia wouldve lost easily.

They invaded Russia in June. Just saying.

It was stupid of them to leave it so late though, they should have invaded right after the thaw - But then that would mean waiting another year, giving Russia time to prepare.
They were entirely at fault for choosing siege warfare over Blitzkrieg, however.

[Fongbai]

I agree and disagree with you on that, because I agree that Without allies intervention stalins's russian would've lost to the nazis dominant technology and style of warfare. But, nazis made the biggest mistake that napoleon also made 100 years before. That is invading russia during winter and going to deep inside russia. If they didnt do this russia wouldve lost easily.

Oh my bad all i remember was that they failed their invasion of russia because they got trapped to deep in russia duting winter time and that napoleon failef the same way with russia

They invaded Russia in June. Just saying.

It was stupid of them to leave it so late though, they should have invaded right after the thaw - But then that would mean waiting another year, giving Russia time to prepare.
They were entirely at fault for choosing siege warfare over Blitzkrieg, however.

[Sorratsin]

Both the Wehrmacht's and the French Army's backs were broken long before winter set in.

Napoleon's attempt at invading Russian failed because much of his strategy relied on speed. The sheer size of Russia swallowed him.

The Wehrmacht failed due to shortcomings in technology and manpower.

[The Theban Legion]

I demand a poll!!! Otherwise Psychotic Dictatorship

[Fallout Rebels]

If anyone says communists or capitalists I'll clobber you

[Rupudska]

Left-Wing Utopia.

Or, at least, that's what Conservapedia told me.

Also, ConservaMetapedia is a Nazi Utopia...

Fixed.

[Risottia]

What's so utopistic in being totally pwned by Stalin? I didn't guess that was the right-wingers' dream.

That still doesn't mean they "totally pwned" the Nazis.

Without all the aid the (western) Allies gave USSR, without opening the fronts in Italy and France and whatnot else, Germans would have easily fucked Russia up.

Lol.

1.Who got all of their cities razed, all of their land occupied, all of their troops surrendered or dead, their leaders suicided or hanged at the end of the war? Guess who, not the Ruskies.
2.The story of the "USSR without Allies would have lost" is bollocks - as, if you read the Lend-Lease given to the Soviets, the Russians got far less material than Britain - and as for weapons, almost nothing compared to their domestic production - and paid more than Britain. Also, already in 1939 the Soviets had one of the best armies around (better tacticians, better logistics, better tanks) - as proven against the Japanese in Mongolia.
3.Also, Battle of Stalingrad: autumn 42 to winter 43. Allied landing in Sicily: summer 43. Learn thy history.

[Risottia]

Also, ConservaMetapedia is a Nazi Utopia...

Fixed.

C'mon, Metapedia is too much even for the Nazis.

[Thyilea]

National Socialism is Left-Winged.

[Hellsgrind]

National Socialism is Left-Winged.

Expand on that, please.

[Sucrati]

Father Knows Best State

[New Manvir]

National Socialism is Left-Winged.

No it isn't. It's social policies make it very much right winged. Having a welfare state doesn't make you Socialist.