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Solyhniya
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:09 pm

Johz wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:I don't believe in anything. Nothing at all. At least not without evidence and then is it really "belief" if you have proof?

Show me a fact or three and try to convince me and I might feel compelled to believe you're telling the truth, but without something to back up what you're saying there really isn't any point "having faith" and so when it comes to spirituality I am firmly agnostic.

This doesn't just go for religion and the paranormal though. This is the reason I don't believe the official line on 9/11; the government's story just doesn't add up and they offer little in the way of tangible proof. That's not to say I believe it was the Trilats, the Grays and the Jewmasons. The point is why believe anything with no evidence? Just keep your mind open as much and as often as you can.


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Haha, even if I did consume marijuana I assure you it's a much better narcotic than Fox or CNN :P
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:22 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:I don't know why people choose to be nihilist. I'm more of a humanist. There is purpose to life, and humans create that.

There is no purpose to life...

I disagree, though the purpose is what you make it. Making life purposeless doesn't seem to fulfill any purpose but to depress yourself.

For me, I think the purpose of my life is to leave a positive lasting impact on the world.
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Postby Terra Agora » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:34 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:There is no purpose to life...

I disagree, though the purpose is what you make it. Making life purposeless doesn't seem to fulfill any purpose but to depress yourself.

For me, I think the purpose of my life is to leave a positive lasting impact on the world.

You can try and make a purpose to life but its a fruitless attempt to make one non the less.
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Postby Toonamix » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:35 pm

I'm constantly changing many of my view points. One thing that I can say I truly believe in without change is being open minded.

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Soviestan
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Postby Soviestan » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:06 pm

I'm a Nihilist. I'm not bothered by it. In fact I find it peacefully and reassuring.

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Caecili
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Postby Caecili » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:06 pm

Soviestan wrote:I'm a Nihilist. I'm not bothered by it. In fact I find it peacefully and reassuring.


Hey, me too. It's nice knowing that I can't possibly be living life the wrong way, because there is no right way. Whoo, cheerful nihilism!
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Postby The Kuomintang » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:08 pm

I take some from Atheism, Darwinism and Nihilism. Not really possible to put a label on, I suppose.

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Postby Michael VII » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:10 pm

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Postby Saurisisia » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:10 pm

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Postby The Mascarene Group » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:11 pm

I am a socialist atheist and a solipsist.
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Postby Mosasauria » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:12 pm

I am a Deist, Economic Stalinist, and a moral Nihilist.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:15 pm

Mosasauria wrote:I am a Deist, Economic Stalinist, and a moral Nihilist.


You can do that? You're god must be a dick.

The Kuomintang wrote:I take some from Atheism, Darwinism and Nihilism. Not really possible to put a label on, I suppose.


Darwinism is not a belief system.

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Postby Caecili » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:17 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:I am a Deist, Economic Stalinist, and a moral Nihilist.


You can do that? You're god must be a dick.

The Kuomintang wrote:I take some from Atheism, Darwinism and Nihilism. Not really possible to put a label on, I suppose.


Darwinism is not a belief system.


Maybe they meant Social Darwinism.
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:40 pm

Some sort of Left-Wing Libertarian. I'm an anti-theistic Agnostic, I have no problem with people practicing their religious beliefs however I think organized religion is detriment to society due to the level of influence it exerts. I abhor Social Conservatism, live and let live.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:44 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:I disagree, though the purpose is what you make it. Making life purposeless doesn't seem to fulfill any purpose but to depress yourself.

For me, I think the purpose of my life is to leave a positive lasting impact on the world.

You can try and make a purpose to life but its a fruitless attempt to make one non the less.

Nonsense. For a supposed existentialist nihilist you aren't actually very keen on understanding what existentialism means.
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Postby Terra Agora » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:45 pm

Terra Agora wrote:Moral and existential nihilist.

Egoist

Agnostic atheist

Stirnerite market anarchist

EDIT (twice now):

I've also been influenced by LeVayen Satanism.

Forgot to mention I support Social Darwinism. No not that racist trash, I'll explain if need be.


Am I the only one influenced by Anton LeVay?
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“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:50 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Moral and existential nihilist.

Egoist

Agnostic atheist

Stirnerite market anarchist

EDIT (twice now):

I've also been influenced by LeVayen Satanism.

Forgot to mention I support Social Darwinism. No not that racist trash, I'll explain if need be.


Am I the only one influenced by Anton LeVay?


I wish.

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Postby Terra Agora » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:50 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:You can try and make a purpose to life but its a fruitless attempt to make one non the less.

Nonsense. For a supposed existentialist nihilist you aren't actually very keen on understanding what existentialism means.

Nihil = nothing

Existentialism = purpose simply put but then again im not good at explaining things.

Existential nihilism = there is no purpose to life, there is not meaning to life, there is no intrinsic value in life
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“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
"The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." - H.P. Lovecraft
"Morality is a device for controlling the gullible with words." - L A Rollins

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Postby Terra Agora » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:50 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:


Am I the only one influenced by Anton LeVay?


I wish.

Whats so bad about LeVay?
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“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
"The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." - H.P. Lovecraft
"Morality is a device for controlling the gullible with words." - L A Rollins

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:53 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
I wish.

Whats so bad about LeVay?


Bad isn't the word I would use. Useless is closer to it. From what I understand it's very similar to Objectivism. I guess the only way to make Ayn Rand more ridiculous is to call it satanic.

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Postby Terra Agora » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:57 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Whats so bad about LeVay?


Bad isn't the word I would use. Useless is closer to it. From what I understand it's very similar to Objectivism. I guess the only way to make Ayn Rand more ridiculous is to call it satanic.

The Nine Satanic Statements
Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
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Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm young children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.
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Their (LeVayan Satanism) virtues etc.

They take tiny bit from her philosophy. He doesn't mention anything about politics though.

Satan is a symbol. Most of them are atheists. You'll find one or two deists in there though.
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“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
"The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." - H.P. Lovecraft
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:58 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Nonsense. For a supposed existentialist nihilist you aren't actually very keen on understanding what existentialism means.

Nihil = nothing

Existentialism = purpose simply put but then again im not good at explaining things.

Existential nihilism = there is no purpose to life, there is not meaning to life, there is no intrinsic value in life

That isn't what existentialism is about.

You're the one responsible for giving life meaning and purpose, and you can't depend on anyone else to give it to you.
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Postby Terra Agora » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:00 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Nihil = nothing

Existentialism = purpose simply put but then again im not good at explaining things.

Existential nihilism = there is no purpose to life, there is not meaning to life, there is no intrinsic value in life

That isn't what existentialism is about.

You're the one responsible for giving life meaning and purpose, and you can't depend on anyone else to give it to you.

Well yeah but then that would require free will. Which is nonsense as well.

What I gave was a one word very basic definition mind you.
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“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
"The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." - H.P. Lovecraft
"Morality is a device for controlling the gullible with words." - L A Rollins

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Postby Ozarkallaia » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:09 pm

As far as religion goes, I am a Christian, Protestant I guess, but my beliefs are orthodox (not Eastern, just as in traditional), and I prefer a High Church service. I am anti-abortion> I believe that homosexuality is a sin, although as long as they do not try to shove it in my face I do not have any problem interacting with homosexuals.

Economically, I am for unrestricted capitalism domestically and am heavily protectionist with regards to trade.

Politically, I am on the border between a Republican (form of government, not political party) and a Monarchist. I believe that voting rights should be restricted to landowners and veterans, with provision for enfranchisement on other grounds being approved on a case by case basis. I believe that there should be no restrictions whatsoever on civilian gun ownership. I am a strong supporter of the death penalty for treason, espionage, murder, child molesting, and forced rape. I do not have any problems with torturing terrorists. I believe in foreign military intervention when it is in our national interests, whether military or economical. I oppose foreign aid except when it serves our purposes. If we invade a country, we should not pay for the rebuilding process. Rather, we should make them repay us our war expenses.

Philosophically, I would be largely Machiavellian, with some fatalistic tendencies.
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Postby Ashlak » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:44 pm

The Chaos Heart wrote:I'm curious. What are your beliefs? Why do you believe that? Religious, Philisophical, ect. I, for instance, am a Nihilist. I wonder how many people on here are the same...

I would go into greater detail, but I'm actually going to bed now. I'll post something tomorrow yada yada blah blah blah.

In any case, please be respectful to all who post. This isn't a topic to debate which belief is more valid, for what reasons, ect. It's simply a place where people can come forward (hopefully without fear) and talk about themselves.


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