Whats up with hate on religion?

[Buurdland]

Point out contradictory evidence for the Crusades.

The only contradictional thing that I see here is that you'd be willing to kill another human being over the subject of religion; the exact thing you wish to rid the world of.

Never said kill, merely quoted someone who wished to do the same. Regardless it makes me no worse then them as they say they want peace and yet they go on killing. Religion is not only a cause of war but it has shown to poorly affect the health of surgery patients who know people are praying for them.

[Vitius]

The only contradictional thing that I see here is that you'd be willing to kill another human being over the subject of religion; the exact thing you wish to rid the world of.

Never said kill, merely quoted someone who wished to do the same. Regardless it makes me no worse then them as they say they want peace and yet they go on killing. Religion is not only a cause of war but it has shown to poorly affect the health of surgery patients who know people are praying for them.

1. You said you agreed with the first part, minus the sarcastic tone. The first part mentioned burning a human. Whether you wish to use it to intently burn someone's flesh until they horribly die, or to torture them through a method of fear, pain and abuse, it usually inflicts harm to the subject of the burning.
2. The last (major, depending on your definition of 'Crusade') Crusades were about 500+ years ago. Using evidence from a time period that long ago to make an argument in this era is like saying that the nation of Spain (current Spain) is evil because of it's conquistadors.
3. Religion is also a cause of great welfare, shown by the amount of donational churches, religious soup kitchens, etc.
4. Source on the surgery part?

[Corporate Cyborgs]

It is probably because of organizations like the Westboro Baptist Church, who make me feel very ashamed of myself sometimes.

[Farnhamia]

It is probably because of organizations like the Westboro Baptist Church, who make me feel very ashamed of myself sometimes.

Why should the WBC make you ashamed of yourself?

[Buurdland]

Never said kill, merely quoted someone who wished to do the same. Regardless it makes me no worse then them as they say they want peace and yet they go on killing. Religion is not only a cause of war but it has shown to poorly affect the health of surgery patients who know people are praying for them.

1. You said you agreed with the first part, minus the sarcastic tone. The first part mentioned burning a human. Whether you wish to use it to intently burn someone's flesh until they horribly die, or to torture them through a method of fear, pain and abuse, it usually inflicts harm to the subject of the burning.
2. The last (major, depending on your definition of 'Crusade') Crusades were about 500+ years ago. Using evidence from a time period that long ago to make an argument in this era is like saying that the nation of Spain (current Spain) is evil because of it's conquistadors.
3. Religion is also a cause of great welfare, shown by the amount of donational churches, religious soup kitchens, etc.
4. Source on the surgery part?

1) They said the same thing regarding the heathens and "witches" did they not? Why should they get away with that?
2) Technically no, take a look at Northern Europe. Those countries are famous for having a much lower religious population then other nations. So tell me, do you think they CHOSE to have religion or was it forced on them continually until their traditions won out?
3) Source? Most of what I see is a bunch of "charity" but they force you to say "Jesus loves me" or some other brainwashing crap. They do not give this "charity" out no strings attached unless they are partnered with a nonreligious charity.
4) The God Delusion, it is sourced in the book to the church that conducted the study

[Corporate Cyborgs]

It is probably because of organizations like the Westboro Baptist Church, who make me feel very ashamed of myself sometimes.

Why should the WBC make you ashamed of yourself?

Well, people tend to stereotype an entire group just because of a stupid minority. Well, actually, I think "ashamed" may not be the right word.

[Geniasis]

Point out contradictory evidence for the Crusades.

Europeans had largely ceased fighting each other for the time being, meanwhile you have all these knights and warriors and nobles sitting around getting antsy, so the Pope starts a crusade to keep them occupied.

[Vitius]

1. You said you agreed with the first part, minus the sarcastic tone. The first part mentioned burning a human. Whether you wish to use it to intently burn someone's flesh until they horribly die, or to torture them through a method of fear, pain and abuse, it usually inflicts harm to the subject of the burning.
2. The last (major, depending on your definition of 'Crusade') Crusades were about 500+ years ago. Using evidence from a time period that long ago to make an argument in this era is like saying that the nation of Spain (current Spain) is evil because of it's conquistadors.
3. Religion is also a cause of great welfare, shown by the amount of donational churches, religious soup kitchens, etc.
4. Source on the surgery part?

1) They said the same thing regarding the heathens and "witches" did they not? Why should they get away with that?
2) Technically no, take a look at Northern Europe. Those countries are famous for having a much lower religious population then other nations. So tell me, do you think they CHOSE to have religion or was it forced on them continually until their traditions won out?
3) Source? Most of what I see is a bunch of "charity" but they force you to say "Jesus loves me" or some other brainwashing crap. They do not give this "charity" out no strings attached unless they are partnered with a nonreligious charity.
4) The God Delusion, it is sourced in the book to the church that conducted the study

1. I didn't say they shouldn't. I was talking about your hypocricy in the whole thing.
2. I really don't get what you're saying here. The young population has a lack of religion, which they chose themselves. There was NO crusade at any time against northern European religions in the last 30 years.
3. In Detroit, there are several religious soup kitchens. I happen to volunteer at a Catholic soup kitchen in my spare time (I'm Jewish), and I have never seen any sort of extra religious involvement besides "God Bless You" (which comes from both the workers and the people being fed)
4. This might be a byproduct of that: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 133554.htm
The researhcer say they have no idea why that happened and that they do not challenge the existence of God. Could be a common coincidence, could be a real coorelation.

However, I have to go to bed, so my response will be late.

[Primorum Libertorum]

Good Samaritan (Luke 10: 25-37). The Samaritans and the Jews had been at war for a hundred years at that point, so if you imagine the relatively tame feelings towards Muslims in this country and multiply it by about 500, you get the idea.

Well, this is the way the parable would have went if his audience had consisted of Liberals instead

can anyone give me a negative effect if everyone on earth stopped believing in religion tomorrow. one that in some way compensates for the millions killed in its name would be best, but i'll settle for some evidence based negative effect.

You have millions of Christians who openly admit that the only reason they don't sodomize children is the fear of getting punished. Of course they don't phrase it exactly that way, but they state repeatedly and firmly that without the instance "God" they would see no reason for moral behavior, and they explicitly name murder and other gruesome atrocities as examples. Just think of the crimes within the Catholic Church to get an impression of what happens when such people are not constantly afraid of having to suffer the consequences of their deeds. You don't want these lunatics to lose - according to their own statements! - the only inhibition that prevents them from going on one hell of a rape spree.

Religion is needed to keep the apes in line.

[Mosasauria]

So you want violence?

I am to (agnostic)Athiesm as the Taliban is to the Islam and the Westboro Church to Christianity.

Sorry for the misunderstanding...

[Jedi8246]

Good Samaritan (Luke 10: 25-37). The Samaritans and the Jews had been at war for a hundred years at that point, so if you imagine the relatively tame feelings towards Muslims in this country and multiply it by about 500, you get the idea.

Well, this is the way the parable would have went if his audience had consisted of Liberals instead

can anyone give me a negative effect if everyone on earth stopped believing in religion tomorrow. one that in some way compensates for the millions killed in its name would be best, but i'll settle for some evidence based negative effect.

You have millions of Christians who openly admit that the only reason they don't sodomize children is the fear of getting punished. Of course they don't phrase it exactly that way, but they state repeatedly and firmly that without the instance "God" they would see no reason for moral behavior, and they explicitly name murder and other gruesome atrocities as examples. Just think of the crimes within the Catholic Church to get an impression of what happens when such people are not constantly afraid of having to suffer the consequences of their deeds. You don't want these lunatics to lose - according to their own statements! - the only inhibition that prevents them from going on one hell of a rape spree.

Religion is needed to keep the apes in line.

How truly misguided you are. The audactity to call everyone religious an ape. The arrogance.

[Mosasauria]

Good Samaritan (Luke 10: 25-37). The Samaritans and the Jews had been at war for a hundred years at that point, so if you imagine the relatively tame feelings towards Muslims in this country and multiply it by about 500, you get the idea.

Well, this is the way the parable would have went if his audience had consisted of Liberals instead

can anyone give me a negative effect if everyone on earth stopped believing in religion tomorrow. one that in some way compensates for the millions killed in its name would be best, but i'll settle for some evidence based negative effect.

You have millions of Christians who openly admit that the only reason they don't sodomize children is the fear of getting punished. Of course they don't phrase it exactly that way, but they state repeatedly and firmly that without the instance "God" they would see no reason for moral behavior, and they explicitly name murder and other gruesome atrocities as examples. Just think of the crimes within the Catholic Church to get an impression of what happens when such people are not constantly afraid of having to suffer the consequences of their deeds. You don't want these lunatics to lose - according to their own statements! - the only inhibition that prevents them from going on one hell of a rape spree.

Religion is needed to keep the apes in line.

That's quite the rude statement right there.

[Geniasis]

And not everyone sees the Bible as something to be terrified of.

We don't all call it the "good news" ironically.

[Primorum Libertorum]

How truly misguided you are. The audactity to call everyone religious an ape. The arrogance.

That's quite the rude statement right there.

Yeah, I am well aware that you monkeys are living in a constant state of denial. Ernest Cline has already addressed that issue perfectly almost five years ago

[Mosasauria]

How truly misguided you are. The audactity to call everyone religious an ape. The arrogance.

That's quite the rude statement right there.

Yeah, I am well aware that you monkeys are living in a constant state of denial. Ernest Cline has already addressed that issue perfectly almost five years ago

So your 'peaceful' answer to everything is to troll? Look, I'm a Deist, and against most religions, but calling people 'monkeys' and saying their 'living in denial' is going way too far.

[Geniasis]

How truly misguided you are. The audactity to call everyone religious an ape. The arrogance.

That's quite the rude statement right there.

Yeah, I am well aware that you monkeys are living in a constant state of denial. Ernest Cline has already addressed that issue perfectly almost five years ago

Actually, Mr. Cline is incorrect.

We're not monkeys, we're apes.

[Mosasauria]

Yeah, I am well aware that you monkeys are living in a constant state of denial. Ernest Cline has already addressed that issue perfectly almost five years ago

Actually, Mr. Cline is incorrect.

We're not monkeys, we're apes.

Actually, not even.
We're hominids, not apes. We share a common ancestor with apes and monkeys.

[Geniasis]

Actually, Mr. Cline is incorrect.

We're not monkeys, we're apes.

Actually, not even.
We're hominids, not apes. We share a common ancestor with apes and monkeys.

We're in the Superfamily of Hominoidea along with all other apes, and the family of Hominidae which we share with Chimps, Gorillas, and Orangutans--the Great Apes. You have to actually go to the Genus to diverge from the rest.

[Mosasauria]

Actually, not even.
We're hominids, not apes. We share a common ancestor with apes and monkeys.

We're in the Superfamily of Hominoidea along with all other apes, and the family of Hominidae which we share with Chimps, Gorillas, and Orangutans--the Great Apes. You have to actually go to the Genus to diverge from the rest.

Damn, I've been out of that loop for too long!

[Primorum Libertorum]

So your 'peaceful' answer to everything is to troll?

Oh, are you one of those guys who define anything that makes them feel uncomfortable as "trolling"? Well, I can assure you that I am not genuinely interested in making you feel uncomfortable. You better don't even expect me to remember your name.

Look, I'm a Deist, and against most religions, but calling people 'monkeys' and saying their 'living in denial' is going way too far.

Please move to the back of the line. The "Saying humans are just another kind of animal is going way too far!" guys from the 19th century queued long before you. Also, Deists are just a branch of Theists. Why did you emphasize that, did you hope for any special treatment?

And regarding the naming: Ernest Cline addresses that at 0:36

[Geniasis]

And regarding the naming: Ernest Cline addresses that at 0:36

I knows he says that. It doesn't make it true.

[Primorum Libertorum]

I knows he says that. It doesn't make it true.

"Not true" in the sense of "Not my viewpoint"?

[Mosasauria]

So your 'peaceful' answer to everything is to troll?

Oh, are you one of those guys who define anything that makes them feel uncomfortable as "trolling"? Well, I can assure you that I am not genuinely interested in making you feel uncomfortable. You better don't even expect me to remember your name.

Look, I'm a Deist, and against most religions, but calling people 'monkeys' and saying their 'living in denial' is going way too far.

Please move to the back of the line. The "Saying humans are just another kind of animal is going way too far!" guys from the 19th century queued long before you. Also, Deists are just a branch of Theists. Why did you emphasize that, did you hope for any special treatment?

And regarding the naming: Ernest Cline addresses that at 0:36

No, I'm pointing out that you happen trolling people by using a thinly veiled way of calling them stupid. And I pointed out that I'm a Deist to make the point that while I disagree with others, trolling is not the answer.

[Mosasauria]

I knows he says that. It doesn't make it true.

"Not true" in the sense of "Not my viewpoint"?

So you believe it because Ernest Cline says it?

[Geniasis]

I knows he says that. It doesn't make it true.

"Not true" in the sense of "Not my viewpoint"?

"Not true" in the sense that it is empirically incorrect.