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The Greater Aryan Race
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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:51 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:How about we leave it up to everyone which they'd prefer?

What if the Europeans want to kick out the Jews, Africans and Muslims?

Personally I find that to be rather stupid and infantile.

But hypothetically, if such a policy were to be endorsed by a majority of citizens within a country that sought to enact such an action under a national referendum, and provided the deportation process is executed under the most peaceful and least disruptive circumstances possible (which frankly aren't much) such as early notification towards deportees, permitting them to retain all personal belongings and financial assets, and subsidising their emigration expenses back to wherever it is they want to go.

But really deportation is a bad idea and should be rejected.
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?

Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.

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Postby Zaldakki » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:47 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:
Seraven wrote:
Wouldn't the rise of National Front (they lost big time, but if they won in the future) would be bad for the immigrants?


Oh I see what you mean.

Well, of course if you come from a nice western country (America, Australia, Western Europe, New Zealand) of course it's easy for you to immigrate (as long as you have some skills). Trouble is when you're from a less-reputable country...

What if you're from a nice western country, but you're a racial minority?

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:03 am

Zaldakki wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:
Oh I see what you mean.

Well, of course if you come from a nice western country (America, Australia, Western Europe, New Zealand) of course it's easy for you to immigrate (as long as you have some skills). Trouble is when you're from a less-reputable country...

What if you're from a nice western country, but you're a racial minority?


I don't think that really matters. As long as you have an American passport, you could be native American, African American, Mexican American, ie and still have all the benefits of the American passport. Yeah sure, you may get the weird look if you're the only Asian-African-Mexican person in Iceland but I doubt any government will haggle another country's citizen just because they're a racial minority.

I can't fathom Marine Le Pen suddenly deciding to block African Americans from immigrating because "they're not American".
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:16 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:I can't fathom Marine Le Pen suddenly deciding to block African Americans from immigrating because "they're not American".


Perhaps not on skin color, that's still too taboo, but on religion definitely. It wouldn't be at all behind her to ban immigration of "muslims", regardless of country of origin. Some mayors did even say it, that they would welcome refugees from Syria, but only if they are christians. That's currently not compatible with out Constitution, but so is half of what Marine Le Pen wants to do, so if she ever gets to power, her first step will be to do massive change in the Constitution, or to just stop respecting it.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:07 am

Kilobugya wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:I can't fathom Marine Le Pen suddenly deciding to block African Americans from immigrating because "they're not American".


Perhaps not on skin color, that's still too taboo, but on religion definitely. It wouldn't be at all behind her to ban immigration of "muslims", regardless of country of origin. Some mayors did even say it, that they would welcome refugees from Syria, but only if they are christians. That's currently not compatible with out Constitution, but so is half of what Marine Le Pen wants to do, so if she ever gets to power, her first step will be to do massive change in the Constitution, or to just stop respecting it.


I doubt she would even bother denying immigration to Australians, Americans or New Zealanders. Those "nice western countries" aren't a problem, even if they are Muslim unless Marine Le Pen decides to wage some a more crazy ideological war.

Cynically I might say that if you are part of a good economic, social class and are a citizen of a "nice western country" you have nothing to fear in terms of immigration.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:18 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:unless Marine Le Pen decides to wage some a more crazy ideological war.


But she is waging a crazy ideological war to save "christian France" (that the majority actually is atheist or agnostic doesn't seem to concern her) against the "muslim invasion". She's fighting islam and muslims, regardless of their nationality, even the French mulisms.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:47 pm

The Conez Imperium wrote:
I don't think that really matters. As long as you have an American passport, you could be native American, African American, Mexican American, ie and still have all the benefits of the American passport. Yeah sure, you may get the weird look if you're the only Asian-African-Mexican person in Iceland but I doubt any government will haggle another country's citizen just because they're a racial minority.

I can't fathom Marine Le Pen suddenly deciding to block African Americans from immigrating because "they're not American".

Well, the French ultra-right isn't the biggest fan of Americans in the first place.
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:13 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:
I don't think that really matters. As long as you have an American passport, you could be native American, African American, Mexican American, ie and still have all the benefits of the American passport. Yeah sure, you may get the weird look if you're the only Asian-African-Mexican person in Iceland but I doubt any government will haggle another country's citizen just because they're a racial minority.

I can't fathom Marine Le Pen suddenly deciding to block African Americans from immigrating because "they're not American".

Well, the French ultra-right isn't the biggest fan of Americans in the first place.


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O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:35 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Well, the French ultra-right isn't the biggest fan of Americans in the first place.


The Marquis de Lafayette does not approve.

Lafayette was far-right?
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:29 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
The Marquis de Lafayette does not approve.

Lafayette was far-right?


In today's standards probably.
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Postby Baltenstein » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:44 pm

Lafayette does not approve of claiming to be a French patriot and Anti-American at the same time.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


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Postby Geilinor » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:46 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Lafayette does not approve of claiming to be a French patriot and Anti-American at the same time.

I was referring to people like Jean-Marie Le Pen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Perception_by_American_commentators
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Postby Baltenstein » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:49 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:Lafayette does not approve of claiming to be a French patriot and Anti-American at the same time.

I was referring to people like Jean-Marie Le Pen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Perception_by_American_commentators


Lol@Man Coulter accusing others of being prejudiced.
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