Wikileaks Mega Thread!

[Camicon]

:lol2: someone has a thing for the global warming.

No, I just think that if global-warming is not an event caused by man, in other words an unstoppable force of nature, we should redirect all the money we've been uselessly pouring into efforts to stop global warming and do something useful with it. We could prepare ourselves better for coming climate changes, or provide more relief aid to countries where people are dying every few minutes or so from easily preventable conditions such as malnutrition, dehydration, or malaria. Even if global-warming is being caused by man (something I sincerely doubt), it would be nice to know what the extent is so that our governments have a more solid backing for restrictive policy changes they make.

[EDIT] In an effort not to derail...

So no matter what kind of data is released the effect will be positive either way. Evidence to discount man-made global-warming means money gets redirected to things that actually matter. Evidence to support man-made global-warming means more support for the necessary restrictive laws that are going to be necessary to slow or reverse the phenomenon.

[Mercator Terra]

I believe it is a natural cycle. I also believe that the earth can handle all that we throw at it.

[Geniasis]

I believe it is a natural cycle. I also believe that the earth can handle all that we throw at it.

And I believe that you've done some cursory research on the matter.

Sadly, beliefs aren't always supported by reality.

[Tekcirb]

Long Live Great Hero Julian Assange!

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

Long live ignoranse!

[Strykla]

I believe it is a natural cycle. I also believe that the earth can handle all that we throw at it.

Yet another example of your being naive. It may or may not be a natural cycle, but your also stupid if you think the earth can handle a couple thousand nukes being detonated at roughly the same time(Cold War?). The ecosphere would simply cease to exist, the earth would be, at best, capable of harboring a few species underground, with another ice age going on at the surface.

[The Alma Mater]

I believe it is a natural cycle. I also believe that the earth can handle all that we throw at it.

Yet another example of your being naive. It may or may not be a natural cycle, but your also stupid if you think the earth can handle a couple thousand nukes being detonated at roughly the same time(Cold War?). The ecosphere would simply cease to exist, the earth would be, at best, capable of harboring a few species underground, with another ice age going on at the surface.

But the earth would, indeed, survive.

Similarly, Global Climate Change is not about the earth ceasing to exist. It is about earth becoming less nice for us to live on.

[Mercator Terra]

I believe it is a natural cycle. I also believe that the earth can handle all that we throw at it.

Yet another example of your being naive. It may or may not be a natural cycle, but your also stupid if you think the earth can handle a couple thousand nukes being detonated at roughly the same time(Cold War?). The ecosphere would simply cease to exist, the earth would be, at best, capable of harboring a few species underground, with another ice age going on at the surface.

Im talking peace time. Thousands of nukes would in my opinion surly destroy the earth.

[The Alma Mater]

Yet another example of your being naive. It may or may not be a natural cycle, but your also stupid if you think the earth can handle a couple thousand nukes being detonated at roughly the same time(Cold War?). The ecosphere would simply cease to exist, the earth would be, at best, capable of harboring a few species underground, with another ice age going on at the surface.

Im talking peace time. Thousands of nukes would in my opinion surly destroy the earth.

Human civilisation - yes.
Earth ? No. We are curently unable to physically crack this planet.

[Mercator Terra]

Im talking peace time. Thousands of nukes would in my opinion surly destroy the earth.

Human civilisation - yes.
Earth ? No. We are curently unable to physically crack this planet.

Idk it might but I have no experience with how much damage one of these bombs can make. So you might as well be right.

[Strykla]

Human civilisation - yes.
Earth ? No. We are curently unable to physically crack this planet.

Idk it might but I have no experience with how much damage one of these bombs can make. So you might as well be right.

Yet another example of your being naive. In any case, most organisms would die in a disaster, natural or otherwise, that is large enough to affect the entire planet.

[Andaluciae]

H isow he exposing any if those things? None of them are even remotely secret.

Nah but some of the things we do are. I never claimed the wars were secret. But what we do there some of it is. More or less it shows people what actually goes on there.
Nothing really big I found it interesting. Both wars are a joke they're a waste of time and money.
http://213.251.145.96/search/

Have you even looked at those documents? They're all incredibly bland and reveal absolutely nothing new. They only way there's anything remotely resembling a surprise in them is if you haven't been paying attention at all for the past decade.

And I'm not even particularly bothered by the Afghanistan documents--they're so boring and content-free as to be irrelevant. In fact, they'll probably only have a negative effect on transparency, as these sorts of general "document dumps" tend to reveal nothing at all, while increasing security, and limiting the likelihood of a leak that would bring something real forth.

I am bothered by the leaking of diplomatic cables. I've already laid out why I object so strongly to this leak in particular. I don't feel like I need to go over it again and again and again.

[Mercator Terra]

Nah but some of the things we do are. I never claimed the wars were secret. But what we do there some of it is. More or less it shows people what actually goes on there.
Nothing really big I found it interesting. Both wars are a joke they're a waste of time and money.
http://213.251.145.96/search/

Have you even looked at those documents? They're all incredibly bland and reveal absolutely nothing new. They only way there's anything remotely resembling a surprise in them is if you haven't been paying attention at all for the past decade.

And I'm not even particularly bothered by the Afghanistan documents--they're so boring and content-free as to be irrelevant. In fact, they'll probably only have a negative effect on transparency, as these sorts of general "document dumps" tend to reveal nothing at all, while increasing security, and limiting the likelihood of a leak that would bring something real forth.

I am bothered by the leaking of diplomatic cables. I've already laid out why I object so strongly to this leak in particular. I don't feel like I need to go over it again and again and again.

I never said you would find them interesting. I said I found them interesting. With our without those documents im against both wars. (Support the troops not the war)

[Mercator Terra]

Idk it might but I have no experience with how much damage one of these bombs can make. So you might as well be right.

Yet another example of your being naive. In any case, most organisms would die in a disaster, natural or otherwise, that is large enough to affect the entire planet.

Did I deny that? I said I dont know the damage a nuke can make and if a large amount of them can destroy the earth or not.

[Holy Cheese and Shoes]

Yet another example of your being naive. It may or may not be a natural cycle, but your also stupid if you think the earth can handle a couple thousand nukes being detonated at roughly the same time(Cold War?). The ecosphere would simply cease to exist, the earth would be, at best, capable of harboring a few species underground, with another ice age going on at the surface.

But the earth would, indeed, survive.

Similarly, Global Climate Change is not about the earth ceasing to exist. It is about earth becoming less nice for us to live on.

Just being a pedant, but a couple of thousand nukes have been detonated at roughly the same time. Certainly 'roughly the same time' as far as the age of the earth is concerned i.e. 60 years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SlGQaCUoqc

And we're still here - yay!

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

Destroy the earth...as in Alderaan style? Nope.
But they can make it unlivable except possible highly rural areas. To be honest, chemical/biological are more threatening to the human race, but because no one can stop them, governments have hidden the threat. We can make it unlivable.

[Mercator Terra]

But the earth would, indeed, survive.

Similarly, Global Climate Change is not about the earth ceasing to exist. It is about earth becoming less nice for us to live on.

Just being a pedant, but a couple of thousand nukes have been detonated at roughly the same time. Certainly 'roughly the same time' as far as the age of the earth is concerned i.e. 60 years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SlGQaCUoqc

And we're still here - yay!

Im talking simultaneousness. Though the video is interesting non the less.

[Farnhamia]

But the earth would, indeed, survive.

Similarly, Global Climate Change is not about the earth ceasing to exist. It is about earth becoming less nice for us to live on.

Just being a pedant, but a couple of thousand nukes have been detonated at roughly the same time. Certainly 'roughly the same time' as far as the age of the earth is concerned i.e. 60 years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SlGQaCUoqc

And we're still here - yay!

You aren't being pedantic, you're being disingenuous. Only two of those nuclear weapons were detonated in urban areas. of the 2,402 test detonations between 1945 and 2009, 21% (527) were performed in the atmosphere and 89% (1875) underground. I would suggest that an underground test has far greater environmental consequences than an atmospheric test.

Imagine those 2,402 weapons being detonated in heavily populated areas in the space of one or two days, not 64 years.

Oh yeah, source: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/nuctestsum.html

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

*Drool*

[Holy Cheese and Shoes]

Just being a pedant, but a couple of thousand nukes have been detonated at roughly the same time. Certainly 'roughly the same time' as far as the age of the earth is concerned i.e. 60 years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SlGQaCUoqc

And we're still here - yay!

You aren't being pedantic, you're being disingenuous. Only two of those nuclear weapons were detonated in urban areas. of the 2,402 test detonations between 1945 and 2009, 21% (527) were performed in the atmosphere and 89% (1875) underground. I would suggest that an underground test has far greater environmental consequences than an atmospheric test.

Imagine those 2,402 weapons being detonated in heavily populated areas in the space of one or two days, not 64 years.

Oh yeah, source: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/nuctestsum.html

It's not disingenuous, as there was no specification of where a nuclear explosion had to be, and how long a period roughly the same time was. And I pointed that out quite frankly. That was in fact, the point of my post....

PS

happy new year!

[Farnhamia]

You aren't being pedantic, you're being disingenuous. Only two of those nuclear weapons were detonated in urban areas. of the 2,402 test detonations between 1945 and 2009, 21% (527) were performed in the atmosphere and 89% (1875) underground. I would suggest that an underground test has far greater environmental consequences than an atmospheric test.

Imagine those 2,402 weapons being detonated in heavily populated areas in the space of one or two days, not 64 years.

Oh yeah, source: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/nuctestsum.html

It's not disingenuous, as there was no specification of where a nuclear explosion had to be, and how long a period roughly the same time was. And I pointed that out quite frankly. That was in fact, the point of my post....

PS

happy new year!

Of course it was disingenuous. Why else would you end with "And we're still here - yay!"

And a Happy New Year to you, too.

[Tekania]

I believe it is a natural cycle. I also believe that the earth can handle all that we throw at it.

And you're right, despite any of our actions the earth will remain.... But the issued with climate change isn't the survivability issue of the physical planetary body, but its biosphere and also our species.

[Mercator Terra]

I believe it is a natural cycle. I also believe that the earth can handle all that we throw at it.

And you're right, despite any of our actions the earth will remain.... But the issued with climate change isn't the survivability issue of the physical planetary body, but its biosphere and also our species.

Well like I said I think if someone launched a thousand nukes simultaneously in the same spot something might happen. But what im talking about is just what happens everyday.

[Holy Cheese and Shoes]

Of course it was disingenuous. Why else would you end with "And we're still here - yay!"

And a Happy New Year to you, too.

How was that disingenuous?

Facetious, perhaps. Flippant, maybe. But we digress from the thread.... About climate change. No wait, government systems. No wait - it's Wikileaks!

What's happening with Assange these days? I haven't hear a peep about him on the news. Anyone know when the next juicy stuff is out?

[Andaluciae]

Have you even looked at those documents? They're all incredibly bland and reveal absolutely nothing new. They only way there's anything remotely resembling a surprise in them is if you haven't been paying attention at all for the past decade.

And I'm not even particularly bothered by the Afghanistan documents--they're so boring and content-free as to be irrelevant. In fact, they'll probably only have a negative effect on transparency, as these sorts of general "document dumps" tend to reveal nothing at all, while increasing security, and limiting the likelihood of a leak that would bring something real forth.

I am bothered by the leaking of diplomatic cables. I've already laid out why I object so strongly to this leak in particular. I don't feel like I need to go over it again and again and again.

I never said you would find them interesting. I said I found them interesting. With our without those documents im against both wars. (Support the troops not the war)

And I'm not concerned with whether or not you find them interesting. I'm concerned with whether or not they actually contain any new or revelatory material--and they don't. Short of the actual text, everything in the leaked documents was already available through a variety of other sources.

I'm not exactly a huge fan of the wars either. The Afghan War Logs added absolutely nothing to the discussion--and they served as a incentive for governments to tighten controls on information, and limit transparency. They are fundamentally counter-productive.