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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:54 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:Abortion, in some people's opinion including mine, is fine only in rape and in when the mother's life is in danger.


So by your logic, it's okay to murder an unborn child if the mother was raped?

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Postby Kepler-22 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:55 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:Abortion, in some people's opinion including mine, is fine only in rape and in when the mother's life is in danger.


there are possible complications in pregnancy outside of rape.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:55 pm

Luveria wrote:
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We have to know first if they're people to begin with.


They remind me of those people being paid by Fox to spam conservative posts everywhere.


Androids. Just androids, all of them.
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Postby Grantica » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:55 pm

I had a biology professor once explain that at the moment of conception everything about the adult human is there - right down to eye color. He said that aside from politics, life does begin at conception. That the embryo is alive and has the same genetic makeup as an adult human.

For me, I believe that killing humans is wrong, even if leaving them alive is inconvenient. So the abortion is never acceptable. The only time it would be might be acceptable would be when the life of the mother is in imminent danger. Better save one than lose both.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:56 pm

Luveria wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:Abortion, in some people's opinion including mine, is fine only in rape and in when the mother's life is in danger.


So by your logic, it's okay to murder an unborn child if the mother was raped?


Yes because two crimes cancel each other. Revenge exacted on the rapist's blood! An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth! And an abortion for a rape!

Uhh...

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Postby Especially Dirty Hippies » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:56 pm

Risottia wrote:
Luveria wrote:
They remind me of those people being paid by Fox to spam conservative posts everywhere.


Androids. Just androids, all of them.


Like Data on Star Trek TNG?

He'd be an awesome conservative blog-spammer.

Lor would be better though.
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Postby Grantica » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:56 pm

Kepler-22 wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:Abortion, in some people's opinion including mine, is fine only in rape and in when the mother's life is in danger.


there are possible complications in pregnancy outside of rape.


Did you not read the whole sentence?
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Postby Risottia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:58 pm

Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:
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Androids. Just androids, all of them.


Like Data on Star Trek TNG?


No. Data is way better than the average conbot poster.

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Postby Republic of Greater America » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:58 pm

It's always acceptable, even if something's alive. Just kidding. Past 20 weeks, it should be illegal.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:59 pm

Tsmida Eri wrote:Liberalism is destroyed America, and abortion being legal is just one of the many examples of how. If you want to burn in hell for all eternity, so be it, but I will not advocate for the murder of a life. Life begins at conception, and Liberty doesn't care, because so long as the people get choose, who cares, right? Well where is the child's choice, hm? What if you were aborted, you wouldn't be here, you wouldn't be able to spread your trash about 'choice', because you were exterminated before you could have a chance at life.

Feel free to advocate the genocide that is abortion, Hitler would be proud of you.

*yawn* I like vacuous rants as much as the next guy, but could you at least give us something that can, at the very least, pass as an argument?
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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:59 pm

Grantica wrote:
Kepler-22 wrote:
there are possible complications in pregnancy outside of rape.


Did you not read the whole sentence?


No one does that here. You must be the first.

Republic of Greater America wrote:It's always acceptable, even if something's alive. Just kidding. Past 20 weeks, it should be illegal.


I draw the line at 18 years.

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Postby Land of Germany » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:00 pm

Timothia wrote:THIS IS NOT THE PLACE OT DEBATE WHETHER ABORTION IS ACCEPTABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE!


Abortion can't be split into two arguments of "yes or no" and also "when." The "when" covers the whole topic, whether that "when" is first-trimester or never.

Abortion is villainous at any stage of a fetus' development. It is not about "woman's rights" to me, it is about preserving life.

Dutch Afrika wrote:Is a fetus a human? God no. It's the womans choice and not a not-fully-developed mass of flesh when to have abortion.


How is a fetus not a human?

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Postby Risottia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:00 pm

Republic of Greater America wrote:It's always acceptable, even if something's alive.

Errr... that's the point of abortion.

If the embryo/foetus dies, you'll have a spontaneous one, you don't need an induced/surgical one.
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Postby Kepler-22 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:00 pm

Grantica wrote:
Kepler-22 wrote:
there are possible complications in pregnancy outside of rape.


Did you not read the whole sentence?


Yes, however I seemed to have misread the and part. I am sorry for that response that I did omit an important part of the statement by Bundesdeutschland.
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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
Tsmida Eri wrote:Liberalism is destroyed America, and abortion being legal is just one of the many examples of how. If you want to burn in hell for all eternity, so be it, but I will not advocate for the murder of a life. Life begins at conception, and Liberty doesn't care, because so long as the people get choose, who cares, right? Well where is the child's choice, hm? What if you were aborted, you wouldn't be here, you wouldn't be able to spread your trash about 'choice', because you were exterminated before you could have a chance at life.

Feel free to advocate the genocide that is abortion, Hitler would be proud of you.

*yawn* I like vacuous rants as much as the next guy, but could you at least give us something that can, at the very least, pass as an argument?


Hitler would be proud of you. You have no right to ask someone to give you a more entertaining rant. :p

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Postby Risottia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:01 pm

Land of Germany wrote:It is not about "woman's rights" to me,


Yeah, why should you give a fuck about women anyway?
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Postby Grantica » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:02 pm

Luveria wrote:
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Did you not read the whole sentence?


No one does that here. You must be the first.

Republic of Greater America wrote:It's always acceptable, even if something's alive. Just kidding. Past 20 weeks, it should be illegal.


I draw the line at 18 years.

Evidently.

And 18 years seems as reasonable as the 1st trimester.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:03 pm

Grantica wrote:I had a biology professor once explain that at the moment of conception everything about the adult human is there - right down to eye color.

Genetically? Yes. So does cum, IIRC.

Grantica wrote:He said that aside from politics, life does begin at conception.

Life exists before conception too. Stop discriminating cum.

Grantica wrote: That the embryo is alive and has the same genetic makeup as an adult human.

Read above.

Grantica wrote:For me, I believe that killing humans is wrong, even if leaving them alive is inconvenient. So the abortion is never acceptable. The only time it would be might be acceptable would be when the life of the mother is in imminent danger. Better save one than lose both.

You do realize that there's a big difference between being alive, being a human being and being a person... right?

By the way, feel free to explain to me why fetuses get a free pass on other people's bodies, but already born humans do not.
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Postby Land of Germany » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:03 pm

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Land of Germany wrote:It is not about "woman's rights" to me,


Yeah, why should you give a fuck about women anyway?


How did that point come across? Woman are just as important as men. If men had babies, I would be saying "It is not about "man's rights."

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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:03 pm

Land of Germany wrote:It is not about "woman's rights" to me


That could be because you're not a woman.

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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:04 pm

Land of Germany wrote:
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Yeah, why should you give a fuck about women anyway?


How did that point come across? Woman are just as important as men. If men had babies, I would be saying "It is not about "man's rights."


Some transgender men do have babies. You're wanting to suppress their rights too.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:04 pm

Land of Germany wrote:Abortion is villainous at any stage of a fetus' development. It is not about "woman's rights" to me, it is about preserving life.

All life? Even the life of sperm cells? Intestinal parasites? The cells in my appendix?
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:04 pm

Tsmida Eri wrote:
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Why is supposed murder legal?

Surely Roe v Wade for example wasn't decided in a Liberal America.


Liberalism is destroyed America

So is proper grammar.
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That was just about the least relevant thing you could have possibly said.
Life begins at conception, and Liberty doesn't care, because so long as the people get choose, who cares, right? Well where is the child's choice, hm?

A fetus isn't a child. Get over it.
What if you were aborted, you wouldn't be here, you wouldn't be able to spread your trash about 'choice', because you were exterminated before you could have a chance at life.

I obviously wouldn't care. I wouldn't have had the capacity to care.

Feel free to advocate the genocide that is abortion, Hitler would be proud of you.


.......Okay? Godwin would be proud of you for saying something that is, well, irrelevant as well.

Now can you present an actual argument?
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Postby Grand Posidia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:I don't think you should abort people if they are already born.

You don't abort people at all. You abort a pregnancy. Obviously if there has been a birth, the pregnancy is over.


So unborn babies are not people? Abortion is wrong and needs to be outlawes except in cases where it would indanger the mother.

Thats right even rape is unacceptable the baby didnt cause the rape so why kill him?

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Postby Especially Dirty Hippies » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:04 pm

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Abortion can't be split into two arguments of "yes or no" and also "when." The "when" covers the whole topic, whether that "when" is first-trimester or never.

Abortion is villainous at any stage of a fetus' development. It is not about "woman's rights" to me, it is about preserving life.


Villainous?

"Gee, Mr. Luthor, why are we robbing this fancy banquet again?"

"Gentlemen, do not trouble your minds or my patience with the burden of explaining why we must disrupt Pro-Life fundraiser. The Kryptonian will not stop me from killing babies THIS time!!!!"
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