No more meat?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Here ya go, I'm pretty surprised you actually need evidence that people are omnivores.

Here's the definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore

If you don't think humans are omnivores after reading the definition there's no hope for you.

I'm surprised your reading skills are as atrocious as they are.

First of all, there's a difference between being wrong, and lying. If you think I'm wrong, provide evidence. Also, you probably should have read my previous posts in the first place, because I specifically emphasized that biologically we are herbivores. Behaviorally we are omnivores. I never denied this.

Your source defines behavioral omnivores.

Humans lack the characteristic digestive traits of herbivores.

How are we herbivores?

[Mavorpen]

How about the fact that are digestive tract is basically halfway between the lengths of herbivores and carnivores. We are biological and behavioral omnivores.

Carnivores have intestinal tracts 3-6 times their body length. Herbivores' are 10-20. Humans are about at 10-12.

[Mavorpen]

Humans lack the characteristic digestive traits of herbivores.

How are we herbivores?

Such as?

[Trollgaard]

How about the fact that are digestive tract is basically halfway between the lengths of herbivores and carnivores. We are biological and behavioral omnivores.

Carnivores have intestinal tracts 3-6 times their body length. Herbivores' are 10-20. Humans are about at 10-12.

Herbivores are a bit more than that, I think. More than 10.

Humans are a nice distance in between. Sure, we SHOULD probably eat more vegetables and what not than meat, but we can eat meat just fine, and have since...forever.

[Mavorpen]

Herbivores are a bit more than that, I think. More than 10.

No, generally it's 10-20 on average. Some go even above 20.

Humans are a nice distance in between. Sure, we SHOULD probably eat more vegetables and what not than meat, but we can eat meat just fine, and have since...forever.

I'm not debating this. I'm not debating against the notion that we can eat meat "just fine." I'm arguing against the notion that this justifies eating it when we can survive and live healthy lives without it.

[Mavorpen]

I lol'd my ass off when Gauthier posted a link that supports me and quickly deleted it.

[Trollgaard]

Herbivores are a bit more than that, I think. More than 10.

No, generally it's 10-20 on average. Some go even above 20.

Humans are a nice distance in between. Sure, we SHOULD probably eat more vegetables and what not than meat, but we can eat meat just fine, and have since...forever.

I'm not debating this. I'm not debating against the notion that we can eat meat "just fine." I'm arguing against the notion that this justifies eating it when we can survive and live healthy lives without it.

Human societies have always valued meat. You have to change thousands an thousands of year of beliefs. It going to be impossible to stop the inertia meat eating has built.

Should we eat less, of course, but cut it out something we have always eating? hell no.

[Mavorpen]

Human societies have always valued meat. You have to change thousands an thousands of year of beliefs. It going to be impossible to stop the inertia meat eating has built.

Okay. This has nothing to do with the debate whatsoever.

Should we eat less, of course, but cut it out something we have always eating? hell no.

Yes, we should. It's a silly argument that falls apart when applied to something else we have always done: slavery.

Edit: Sorry if I don't reply to your next post immediately, I'm going to watch a movie.

[Trollgaard]

Human societies have always valued meat. You have to change thousands an thousands of year of beliefs. It going to be impossible to stop the inertia meat eating has built.

Okay. This has nothing to do with the debate whatsoever.

Should we eat less, of course, but cut it out something we have always eating? hell no.

Yes, we should. It's a silly argument that falls apart when applied to something else we have always done: slavery.

I think all aspects of meat eating are relevant to a debate about ending meat eating. Knowing that meat eating as been glorified in most societies for thousands of years all over the world should give you a clue as to the scale of the issue.

We haven't always had slavery, though. Its been around for a long time, yes, but we haven't always had it. Hunter-gatherers didn't have slaves.

[Unilisia]

Good thing I kill and eat people

/sarcasm

[Maresborough]

fish could be used as a replacement. its relatively easy to acquire, and theres a lot of it.

[Mavorpen]

I think all aspects of meat eating are relevant to a debate about ending meat eating. Knowing that meat eating as been glorified in most societies for thousands of years all over the world should give you a clue as to the scale of the issue.

Again though, things that have been glorified for centuries all over the world we have done away with.

We haven't always had slavery, though. Its been around for a long time, yes, but we haven't always had it. Hunter-gatherers didn't have slaves.

No, some of them had slaves, it was just extremely rare due to the need for social differentiation.

[Norsklow]

fish could be used as a replacement. its relatively easy to acquire, and theres a lot of it.

I wish that were true.

I don't appeal for justification for eating anything. I just do it. Nike Commercial inserted.

[Maresborough]

fish could be used as a replacement. its relatively easy to acquire, and theres a lot of it.

I wish that were true.

Well, fish is tasty, that much is true...

[Ridicularia]

fish could be used as a replacement. its relatively easy to acquire, and theres a lot of it.

We'd pretty much fish out the ocean in no time.
Edit: I would also like it to be known that fish is delicious. Save the fish, man. I want more.

[Norsklow]

I wish that were true.

Well, fish is tasty, that much is true...

Aaaaah... long way back, you could get yerself a bucket of whitefish and fry it for a week for a couple of quid.
These days? Nothing but 2 fishcakes for a couple of quid.

[Trotskylvania]

No, generally it's 10-20 on average. Some go even above 20.

I'm not debating this. I'm not debating against the notion that we can eat meat "just fine." I'm arguing against the notion that this justifies eating it when we can survive and live healthy lives without it.

Human societies have always valued meat. You have to change thousands an thousands of year of beliefs. It going to be impossible to stop the inertia meat eating has built.

Should we eat less, of course, but cut it out something we have always eating? hell no.

None of this changes the central fact that Mavorpen is arguing: that we are not far at all removed, evolutionarily, from our herbivorous ancestors. Meat eating behavior is a relatively recent phenomenon in our evolutionary line, and it probably wasn't until Homo erectus that it became an important part of our diet. This is why our teeth and digestive tract are not that much different from our primarily herbivorous fellow primates. That's why we have problems with cholesterol; we don't have the short, smooth intestinal tract that most carnivores have to reduce the excess absorption of it.

[Gauthier]

I lol'd my ass off when Gauthier posted a link that supports me and quickly deleted it.

Because finding information that isn't vegan propaganda is a laugh riot right?

Omnivore vs Vegan Who is Right?

Omnivore Vs. Vegetarian

[Norsklow]

Why bother? Engaging into debating morality of food is decadence per se.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Not having enough meat is the tip of the iceberg compared to what real problems we'd be facing if there were 9 billion people in the world in another 40 years.

People should stop having so many babies.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Furthermore, I refuse to alter my diet of caviar, truffles and wagyu beef.

[Norsklow]

Not having enough meat is the tip of the iceberg compared to what real problems we'd be facing if there were 9 billion people in the world in another 40 years.

People should stop having so many babies.

Which they wont do. Pie should come out of the sky.

[Gauthier]

Not having enough meat is the tip of the iceberg compared to what real problems we'd be facing if there were 9 billion people in the world in another 40 years.

People should stop having so many babies.

Short of forcible sterilization, the only way to get people to stop breeding so much is to give them higher education and income. People with higher education and income tend to reproduce less readily than most.

[Sociobiology]

Human societies have always valued meat. You have to change thousands an thousands of year of beliefs. It going to be impossible to stop the inertia meat eating has built.

Should we eat less, of course, but cut it out something we have always eating? hell no.

None of this changes the central fact that Mavorpen is arguing: that we are not far at all removed, evolutionarily, from our herbivorous ancestors. Meat eating behavior is a relatively recent phenomenon in our evolutionary line, and it probably wasn't until Homo erectus that it became an important part of our diet. This is why our teeth and digestive tract are not that much different from our primarily herbivorous fellow primates. That's why we have problems with cholesterol; we don't have the short, smooth intestinal tract that most carnivores have to reduce the excess absorption of it.

you do realize you are trying to compare us to carnivores (obligate carnivores at that) not omnivores right, our digestive system looks a lot like a bears.

meat eating and active hunting exists in chimps. so no not all that recent. We are also better at eating and digesting meat than chimps, although many people still eat too much.

and the recentness is meaningless when you are using the even more recent advances in logical abstract thought to justify it.

[Sociobiology]

Herbivores are a bit more than that, I think. More than 10.

No, generally it's 10-20 on average. Some go even above 20.

Humans are a nice distance in between. Sure, we SHOULD probably eat more vegetables and what not than meat, but we can eat meat just fine, and have since...forever.

I'm not debating this. I'm not debating against the notion that we can eat meat "just fine." I'm arguing against the notion that this justifies eating it when we can survive and live healthy lives without it.

we can survive on just wheat, yeast, and nori so why should we grow bananas and lettuce?