Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Socialist Nordia]

Certainly makes it a better place to live.

High corruption, discrimination, illogical wars?

There are some pretty illogical wars in the Islamic world, and discrimination is greater there, especially involving homosexuals. Scandinavia seems like the best place to live, considering Denmark is consistently ranked as the worlds happiest country.

[New haven america]

- Neil Armstrong wasn't a Muslim, he was barely a Christian. He labelled himself a deist. I doubt he would've said that 'Allah hung the Earth'. I haven't been able to find any evidence of Neil Armstrong ever uttering the words the man in your video claims he did.
- Shortwave radiation is visible light, UV, and near-infrared - all forms of radiation that would be detectable from Earth's surface if there were a pillar of such radiation from Mecca into space. Such radiation is absorbed by the's Earth's molten interior, crust, and atmosphere so if it were being emitted in an undissipated pillar it would have to be a very powerful beam.
- The man's claim that Mecca is the Earth's "magnetic equilibrium zone" is a lie. Maps of Earth's magnetic field show that clearly.
- I've have been unable to find any evidence to corroborate the claim that the basalt in Mecca pre-dates the solar system. Wikipedia seems to state the opposite.
"The British Natural History Museum suggests that it may be a pseudometeorite, in other words a terrestrial rock mistakenly attributed to a meteoritic origin.[43]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

Never said he was a Muslim but he still stated a fact that Mekkah is Earth's centre

and I dont care what foolish British scientists/historians say about our sacred Kaaba I trust what Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAAWS) say about it.

So then how do you explain Earth's Center/Core?

Y'know, that really hot place.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Over bearing hyper conservative thinking is what's holding it back. And bombs, drone strikes, etc.

Bombs that the locals are setting off, and drones strikes that are targeting people who attack the West and its allies.

Terrorists have drones now?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

let it sink in that responses like these are nothing less than speaking out of lack of knowledge

Lack of knowledge? I know the basics of the Islamic faith and have thought about it rationally, and decided that there is nothing that distinguishes Islam from, say, Christianity and there's nothing that makes it any more likely to be true. Only actual proof will sway me.

The Islamic 'faith basics' you are thinking of are called schools of Kalam and they are misguided and deviant most notably being the Murjiah and the Mutaziliyyah.

[Communist Xomaniax]

High corruption,

The West has the lowest corruption levels on earth. Every reputable organization that measures such things agrees.

discrimination,

Which is mostly stamped or being stamped out, and is largely legislated against? This is as opposed to pretty much everywhere else, where discrimination is far greater (and in places like the Middle East) rampant.

illogical wars?

Blowing up people who seek to do you harm isn't illogical.

[Herskerstad]

Certainly makes it a better place to live.

High corruption, discrimination, illogical wars?

The middle east dominates roughly all 3 of those. Corruption is higher according to Pew, discrimination is rampant according to just about any study, and they have a tendency of engaging in wars far more illogical than the west.

[New haven america]

Bombs that the locals are setting off, and drones strikes that are targeting people who attack the West and its allies.

Terrorists have drones now?

No, but terrorists are being subdued by drones, which is very helpful.

[Conscentia]

Never said he was a Muslim but he still stated a fact that Mekkah is Earth's centre

As I said earlier, I have been unable to find any evidence that Neil Armstrong said any such thing.

and I dont care what foolish British scientists/historians say about our sacred Kaaba I trust what Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAAWS) say about it.

Then don't use videos that claim to be getting their information from them.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Never said he was a Muslim but he still stated a fact that Mekkah is Earth's centre

and I dont care what foolish British scientists/historians say about our sacred Kaaba I trust what Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAAWS) say about it.

So then how do you explain Earth's Center/Core?

Y'know, that really hot place.

The debate was the surface center, not the core.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Never said he was a Muslim but he still stated a fact that Mekkah is Earth's centre

and I dont care what foolish British scientists/historians say about our sacred Kaaba I trust what Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAAWS) say about it.

"Fuck people with the actual tools and education to study things, I'm gonna trust the ravings of a book written more than a thousand years ago! Alchemy > medicine, pour me that sweet sweet mercury solution yo."

[Socialist Nordia]

Lack of knowledge? I know the basics of the Islamic faith and have thought about it rationally, and decided that there is nothing that distinguishes Islam from, say, Christianity and there's nothing that makes it any more likely to be true. Only actual proof will sway me.

The Islamic 'faith basics' you are thinking of are called schools of Kalam and they are misguided and deviant most notably being the Murjiah and the Mutaziliyyah.

What proves Islam, other than people claiming its truth? I see no evidence, so I don't beleive. That's how rational thinking works. Every religion claims to be true. What makes this one special?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Never said he was a Muslim but he still stated a fact that Mekkah is Earth's centre

As I said earlier, I have been unable to find any evidence that Neil Armstrong said any such thing.

and I dont care what foolish British scientists/historians say about our sacred Kaaba I trust what Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAAWS) say about it.

Then don't use videos that claim to be getting their information from them.

If a non-Muslim is confirming something pro-Islamic i will quote them but if it is a non-Muslim I will not.

[Islamic Republic of Aceh]

High corruption, discrimination, illogical wars?

There are some pretty illogical wars in the Islamic world, and discrimination is greater there, especially involving homosexuals. Scandinavia seems like the best place to live, considering Denmark is consistently ranked as the worlds happiest country.

Indeed, I've to admit. But I think that mostly because Muslims nowadays are less-tolerant than the others.
"To you be your Way, and to me mine."
I believe that was stated clearly in the Qur'an.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Bombs that the locals are setting off, and drones strikes that are targeting people who attack the West and its allies.

Terrorists have drones now?

. . . . Did you actually read and comprehend what I wrote?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Never said he was a Muslim but he still stated a fact that Mekkah is Earth's centre

and I dont care what foolish British scientists/historians say about our sacred Kaaba I trust what Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAAWS) say about it.

"Fuck people with the actual tools and education to study things, I'm gonna trust the ravings of a book written more than a thousand years ago! Alchemy > medicine, pour me that sweet sweet mercury solution yo."

God (SWT)protects the Holy Qur'an.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Never said he was a Muslim but he still stated a fact that Mekkah is Earth's centre

and I dont care what foolish British scientists/historians say about our sacred Kaaba I trust what Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (SAAWS) say about it.

"Fuck people with the actual tools and education to study things, I'm gonna trust the ravings of a book written more than a thousand years ago! Alchemy > medicine, pour me that sweet sweet mercury solution yo."

They have an agenda and they are liars there is a reason why in Islamic court non-Muslims can't testify against Muslims.

[New haven america]

So then how do you explain Earth's Center/Core?

Y'know, that really hot place.

The debate was the surface center, not the core.

Doesn't change the fact...

Also, the if we go for the area near Giza, it's still a rather hot area.

[Herskerstad]

So then how do you explain Earth's Center/Core?

Y'know, that really hot place.

The debate was the surface center, not the core.

Well, what are the characteristics that would determine that? There is no singular point of center on any sphere. You will find more ancient rocks in Canada than the middle east, the Kaabah is not on equator itself, not that such is a defining destination to begin with.

[Communist Xomaniax]

They have an agenda and they are liars there is a reason why in Islamic court non-Muslims can't testify against Muslims.

No wonder nobody wants to live there.

[Kantria]

Well, it's about as useless as every other religion, but like everyone else, Muslims on balance tend to be far better than the teachings they supposedly follow, which tells me that they wouldn't miss following them in the first place. Too bad countries where Sharia is the law of the land imposes severe penalties, up to and including death, for the crime of a Muslim exercising his or her own judgment and deciding not to be a Muslim anymore. The West has its own problems with religion in politics, but it's not even comparable. Here, certain people might say mean things about you on TV or the Internet if you stray from the flock; in Saudi Arabia, the state puts you to death.

I don't pretend to know a whole lot about Islam is supposed to be practiced, but the Islamic world, as run by Muslims under what they consider to be Islamic law, is pretty craptacular. For all its faults, and for all its history of imperialism and its current practice of militarily intervening in places it doesn't belong, resulting in the deaths of innocents and the further destabilization of the Muslim world (which is at least partly to blame for it being so backward), I'll take any Western country over any Islamic country.

You're all welcome to come here to the States, though. Don't listen to that orange windbag. He's not going to win anyway.

[New haven america]

"Fuck people with the actual tools and education to study things, I'm gonna trust the ravings of a book written more than a thousand years ago! Alchemy > medicine, pour me that sweet sweet mercury solution yo."

They have an agenda and they are liars there is a reason why in Islamic court non-Muslims can't testify against Muslims.

And that reason would be religious discrimination. *Nod*

[El-Amin Caliphate]

"Fuck people with the actual tools and education to study things, I'm gonna trust the ravings of a book written more than a thousand years ago! Alchemy > medicine, pour me that sweet sweet mercury solution yo."

They have an agenda and they are liars there is a reason why in Islamic court non-Muslims can't testify against Muslims.

I thought they could.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

They have an agenda and they are liars there is a reason why in Islamic court non-Muslims can't testify against Muslims.

I thought they could.

No they can't

[Herskerstad]

They have an agenda and they are liars there is a reason why in Islamic court non-Muslims can't testify against Muslims.

No wonder nobody wants to live there.

And yet he is sure to make complaints about muslims being discriminated even though he himself advances discriminatory thought.

It boggles my mind how anyone embracing such a standard can presume to speak for the God of truth.

[Socialist Nordia]

I thought they could.

No they can't

Why? The religion of a witness has nothing to do with their ability to testify in court. It seems like a pretty discriminatory and archaic practice.