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British 2015 general election poll

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Who would you vote for?

Labour
342
20%
Conservatives
346
20%
Ukip
394
23%
Greens
246
14%
Liberal Democrats
149
9%
SNP
77
5%
Plaid Cymru
32
2%
Respect
35
2%
Other (please state)
79
5%
 
Total votes : 1700

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The Emerald Dragon
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Founded: Jan 30, 2014
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:31 pm

I'd probably vote for UKIP, not touching the hell that is the BNP or Lib/Lab/Con.

Pros*

Anti Immigration
Anti E.U
Pro Military
Non-interventionalist

Cons*

Anti Science, e.g climate change
Anti LGBT rights
Economic policies aren't particularly solid.

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DesAnges
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Founded: Nov 02, 2011
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Postby DesAnges » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:32 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:I'd probably vote for UKIP, not touching the hell that is the BNP or Lib/Lab/Con.

Pros*

Anti Immigration
Anti E.U
Pro Military
Non-interventionalist

Cons*

Anti Science, e.g climate change
Anti LGBT rights
Economic policies aren't particularly solid.

It entirely depends on your priorities but those are some pretty big cons.
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The Emerald Dragon
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:34 pm

DesAnges wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:I'd probably vote for UKIP, not touching the hell that is the BNP or Lib/Lab/Con.

Pros*

Anti Immigration
Anti E.U
Pro Military
Non-interventionalist

Cons*

Anti Science, e.g climate change
Anti LGBT rights
Economic policies aren't particularly solid.

It entirely depends on your priorities but those are some pretty big cons.


I've got to agree, still, the Greens aren't strong enough to win, Lib/Lab/Con is a ghastly opinion and BNP is just.... let me say, I'm anti immigration, not an Ethnic Nationalist.

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Dejanic
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Founded: Nov 20, 2012
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:35 pm

Can I just say, whilst atm it's cool to say "Lib/Lab/Con suck, go Ukip", I can gaurentee that once Ukip get a taste of power it'll be "Fuck Lib/Lab/Con/Ukip", because trust me, Ukips growth just isn't sustainable, the party is trying to please way too many conflicting ideologies at the same time through broad populism and eventually it's all going to crash.

You can't continue to please your ex Tory Social Conservative core vote that wants abortion banned and gay marriage repealed, whilst trying to accommodate young Libertarian orientated people who want the nhs privatised and drugs legalised, and at the same time left leaning ex Labour voters who want more NHS spending, more welfare spending, etc, eventually Ukip will have to choose a group, and they're as a result going to alienate members of these other groups.
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DesAnges
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Postby DesAnges » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:36 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
DesAnges wrote:It entirely depends on your priorities but those are some pretty big cons.


I've got to agree, still, the Greens aren't strong enough to win, Lib/Lab/Con is a ghastly opinion and BNP is just.... let me say, I'm anti immigration, not an Ethnic Nationalist.

Neither are UKIP, mind.

The way I see it, there are two options next year - Labour and the Lib Dems, or the Tories and UKIP.
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Britanno
Minister
 
Posts: 2992
Founded: Apr 05, 2013
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Postby Britanno » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:47 pm

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:Cameron did promise a referendum on the EU if he wins the 2015 election.

Hypothetically if the UK voted by the majority to leave the EU, would that spell the end of UKIP, since its whole political fabric of existence was latched onto UK independence from the EU?

Nigel Farage would be remembered as the man who got Britain out of Europe, but he'll be dead in the water politically. Because the EU and immigration will no longer be big issues, UKIP would fade away.
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British, male, heterosexual, aged 26, liberal conservative, unitarian universalist
Pro: marriage equality, polygamy, abortion up to viability, UK Lib Dems, US Democrats
Anti: discrimination, euroscepticism, UKIP, immigrant bashing, UK Labour, US Republicans
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America is doing fine atm

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Dejanic
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Founded: Nov 20, 2012
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:05 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
DesAnges wrote:It entirely depends on your priorities but those are some pretty big cons.


I've got to agree, still, the Greens aren't strong enough to win, Lib/Lab/Con is a ghastly opinion and BNP is just.... let me say, I'm anti immigration, not an Ethnic Nationalist.

Thankfully, the BNP hardly exist anymore anyway.
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Jesus was a Socialist | Satan is a Capitalist

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Generic committed leftist with the opinion that anyone even slightly to the right of him is Hitler.

Master Shake wrote:multicultural loving imbecile.

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Britanno
Minister
 
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Founded: Apr 05, 2013
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Postby Britanno » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:09 pm

Dejanic wrote:Thankfully, the BNP hardly exist anymore anyway.

Indeed, public frustration over immigration turned into votes for the BNP, now it's UKIP that gets them.
NSGS Liberal Democrats - The Centrist Alternative
British, male, heterosexual, aged 26, liberal conservative, unitarian universalist
Pro: marriage equality, polygamy, abortion up to viability, UK Lib Dems, US Democrats
Anti: discrimination, euroscepticism, UKIP, immigrant bashing, UK Labour, US Republicans
British Home Counties wrote:
Alyakia wrote:our nations greatest achievement is slowly but surely being destroyed
America is doing fine atm

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Geilinor
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Founded: Feb 20, 2010
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:14 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:I'd probably vote for UKIP, not touching the hell that is the BNP or Lib/Lab/Con.

Pros*

Anti Immigration
Anti E.U
Pro Military
Non-interventionalist

I'd argue that the first three of your pros are cons.
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Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

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Respawn
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1091
Founded: Jun 13, 2013
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Postby Respawn » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:33 pm

Dejanic wrote:Na, the Swedish Democrats have done quite a bit to try and get rid of their racist image and "suck up to minorities", as have Marine Le Pen and the French National Front. The fact is UKIP for a long time were openly a racist party of angry old White men, it wasn't until around the 2008 mark when the BNP were effectively being demolished by everyone for being proudly racist, that UKIP began to modernise their tactics, and even then it hasn't been easy, there's always a looney Ukip councillor or spokesperson that comes out of the wood work and say's some horrifically offensive shit about gay's or minorities or women, and most of the time UKIP try and swiftly cover it up and deal with the perpetrator, but still, these people still exist.

UKIP of 2014 isn't the same as UKIP of a few years ago. 6 years ago they could have written "Every December 25th is now Jimmy Saville Day" into their manifesto and nobody would have given a toss. Their old manifestos were pretty much the party's anti-EU position and then whatever nonsense the guy writing it thought sounded cool.
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Costa Fierro
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Founded: Dec 09, 2013
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:43 pm

If I were British, I would vote for the Liberal Democrats. *raises umbrella*
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Edward Scissorhands
Envoy
 
Posts: 350
Founded: Oct 24, 2014
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Postby Edward Scissorhands » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:49 pm

I agree with UKIP on a lot of things but my long-distance girlfriend is from Estonia and hopefully we will be meeting up soon, I don't want UKIP to make that harder for us.

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Geilinor
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Founded: Feb 20, 2010
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:49 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:If I were British, I would vote for the Liberal Democrats. *raises umbrella*

I'd wish I could do the same if I were British. But the Lib Dems are a minor party that seem done for.
Member of the Free Democratic Party. Not left. Not right. Forward.
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

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Svatantra Mulukama
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 355
Founded: Oct 21, 2014
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:51 pm

Dejanic wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
I've got to agree, still, the Greens aren't strong enough to win, Lib/Lab/Con is a ghastly opinion and BNP is just.... let me say, I'm anti immigration, not an Ethnic Nationalist.

Thankfully, the BNP hardly exist anymore anyway.


Indeed. Unfortunately, many BNP voters have joined the UKIP.
Centre-Left Social Democrat, Bisexual, Agnostic Buddhist

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Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Liberal/Authoritarian: -6.00

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Kelinfort
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Founded: Nov 10, 2013
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:55 pm

Let me just say this, UK is lucky to have a functioning political system. Here in the States, it's a very sordid state.

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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:56 pm

Kelinfort wrote:Let me just say this, UK is lucky to have a functioning political system.

The British posters here seem to be tired of it.
Member of the Free Democratic Party. Not left. Not right. Forward.
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

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Edward Scissorhands
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Founded: Oct 24, 2014
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Postby Edward Scissorhands » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:57 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Let me just say this, UK is lucky to have a functioning political system.

The British posters here seem to be tired of it.


Britfag here, the system in Britain is shit.

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Svatantra Mulukama
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Founded: Oct 21, 2014
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:59 pm

Kelinfort wrote:Let me just say this, UK is lucky to have a functioning political system. Here in the States, it's a very sordid state.


The system in Britain isn't great either.
Centre-Left Social Democrat, Bisexual, Agnostic Buddhist

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Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Liberal/Authoritarian: -6.00

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Kelinfort
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Founded: Nov 10, 2013
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:00 pm

Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Let me just say this, UK is lucky to have a functioning political system. Here in the States, it's a very sordid state.


The system in Britain isn't great either.

Yeah, but trust me, it is fifty times better than us. Please, don't go down this road.

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Kelinfort
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:00 pm

Edward Scissorhands wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The British posters here seem to be tired of it.


Britfag here, the system in Britain is shit.

You haven't seen nothing yet.

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Svatantra Mulukama
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Founded: Oct 21, 2014
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:01 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
The system in Britain isn't great either.

Yeah, but trust me, it is fifty times better than us. Please, don't go down this road.


As an American, I concur that it's better than the system we have. For gods sake, we're stuck with the shitty electoral college. :p

But, the UK isn't perfect.
Centre-Left Social Democrat, Bisexual, Agnostic Buddhist

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Edward Scissorhands
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Founded: Oct 24, 2014
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Postby Edward Scissorhands » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:02 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Edward Scissorhands wrote:
Britfag here, the system in Britain is shit.

You haven't seen nothing yet.


What do you mean?

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Beta Test
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Founded: Jan 06, 2013
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:02 pm

Honestly at this point I think UKIP is the better option.
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Svatantra Mulukama
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:03 pm

Beta Test wrote:Honestly at this point I think UKIP is the better option.


I always thought you were a centrist with fairly liberal positions...
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Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Liberal/Authoritarian: -6.00

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Edward Scissorhands
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Postby Edward Scissorhands » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:04 pm

Beta Test wrote:Honestly at this point I think UKIP is the better option.


I agree with UKIP on a whole variety of issues, but my long-distance girlfriend is Estonian and we were thinking of meeting up, and I fear that UKIP's policies towards foreigners will fuck that up.

I might just go to Estonia, but she really wants to see the UK.

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