BART cop who shot man is released after 1 year sentence

[Scientific socks]

Are we expecting all cops to be superheroes?
Drug dealer charges towards you after apprehension. Possibilities exist of everything from a fist to a gun. One single swing with a sharp object could cause death

Unless the cops are meant to be invincible or all geniuses the chance of a knife would naturally lead the officer to reaching for something that could be fired. A batton would put your life at risk.

The cop made a mistake. The cashier at the supermarket has made mistakes. I have made mistakes. You have made mistakes
Why? Because we are human!

READ THE GODDAMN THREAD. HE NEVER FUCKING CHARGED HIM. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

So are you saying he was put in jail without being charged?
He was found guilty of manslaughter
At least he avoided the kind of profanities you use.

[Ryadn]

READ THE GODDAMN THREAD. HE NEVER FUCKING CHARGED HIM. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

So are you saying he was put in jail without being charged?
He was found guilty of manslaughter
At least he avoided the kind of profanities you use.

Wiztopia was referring to the bolded in your post. Grant never "charged towards" anyone. The OP conflated two separate events and it's caused trouble all through the thread.

[Wiztopia]

So are you saying he was put in jail without being charged?
He was found guilty of manslaughter
At least he avoided the kind of profanities you use.

Wiztopia was referring to the bolded in your post. Grant never "charged towards" anyone. The OP conflated two separate events and it's caused trouble all through the thread.

How could anybody believe that anyway?

[Caninope]

No, a guy is being arrested for drug dealing suspicions and carrying a loaded firearm within an automobile (a felony in California), the man resists arrest by struggling and attempting to free himself from being handcuffed, and Officer Merherslese reaches for what he thinks is his taser and shoots him, accidentally on purpose of course.

Fixed.

Yes, he meant to shoot him. With a taser, with justification. Because of that, he didn't have the necessary mens rea to commit murder.

[Wiztopia]

Fixed.

Yes, he meant to shoot him. With a taser, with justification. Because of that, he didn't have the necessary mens rea to commit murder.

No he meant to shoot him with the gun since he didn't need to use any weapon at all.

[Scientific socks]

So are you saying he was put in jail without being charged?
He was found guilty of manslaughter
At least he avoided the kind of profanities you use.

Wiztopia was referring to the bolded in your post. Grant never "charged towards" anyone. The OP conflated two separate events and it's caused trouble all through the thread.

There was no bolded part of my post.

[Scientific socks]

Yes, he meant to shoot him. With a taser, with justification. Because of that, he didn't have the necessary mens rea to commit murder.

No he meant to shoot him with the gun since he didn't need to use any weapon at all.

I would like to see you deal with an aggrevated person holding a knife without a weapon
You might pretend to be the internet tough guy but as far as the cop knew a drug dealer was charging towards him. This could indicate an attempt to hit or use any kind of melee weapon that you could name.

THe mistake was thinking he had a taser but when you consider all the time he had to think (a second or two at most) it could be the case that he believed he had a taser on him.

I dont always recall what pocket I put my house keys in. Have someone charge towards me that I believe is dangerous and give me two seconds and I aassure you the chances of me finding the right pocket in time is very small.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

No he meant to shoot him with the gun since he didn't need to use any weapon at all.

I would like to see you deal with an aggrevated person holding a knife without a weapon
You might pretend to be the internet tough guy but as far as the cop knew a drug dealer was charging towards him. This could indicate an attempt to hit or use any kind of melee weapon that you could name.

THe mistake was thinking he had a taser but when you consider all the time he had to think (a second or two at most) it could be the case that he believed he had a taser on him.

I dont always recall what pocket I put my house keys in. Have someone charge towards me that I believe is dangerous and give me two seconds and I aassure you the chances of me finding the right pocket in time is very small.

Nobody. Charged. Toward. Anybody. Grant. Did. Not. Have. A. Knife. Grant. Was. Restrained. Mehserle. Was. An. Idiot.

[Wiztopia]

No he meant to shoot him with the gun since he didn't need to use any weapon at all.

I would like to see you deal with an aggrevated person holding a knife without a weapon
You might pretend to be the internet tough guy but as far as the cop knew a drug dealer was charging towards him. This could indicate an attempt to hit or use any kind of melee weapon that you could name.

THe mistake was thinking he had a taser but when you consider all the time he had to think (a second or two at most) it could be the case that he believed he had a taser on him.

I dont always recall what pocket I put my house keys in. Have someone charge towards me that I believe is dangerous and give me two seconds and I aassure you the chances of me finding the right pocket in time is very small.

So when do you graduate first grade? You sure as hell need to learn how to read if you think Oscar Grant had a knife or charged anybody.

[Caninope]

Yes, he meant to shoot him. With a taser, with justification. Because of that, he didn't have the necessary mens rea to commit murder.

No he meant to shoot him with the gun since he didn't need to use any weapon at all.

He would have been justified in the use of a taser.

[Scientific socks]

I would like to see you deal with an aggrevated person holding a knife without a weapon
You might pretend to be the internet tough guy but as far as the cop knew a drug dealer was charging towards him. This could indicate an attempt to hit or use any kind of melee weapon that you could name.

THe mistake was thinking he had a taser but when you consider all the time he had to think (a second or two at most) it could be the case that he believed he had a taser on him.

I dont always recall what pocket I put my house keys in. Have someone charge towards me that I believe is dangerous and give me two seconds and I aassure you the chances of me finding the right pocket in time is very small.

So when do you graduate first grade? You sure as hell need to learn how to read if you think Oscar Grant had a knife or charged anybody.

So you consider everything the police officer said as a lie. What makes you so certain about that?

Its not if he had a weapon it is if the office reasonably believed he may have a weapon.

A split second decision was made. The wrong one.
The officer has been appropriately punished.

[Wiztopia]

So when do you graduate first grade? You sure as hell need to learn how to read if you think Oscar Grant had a knife or charged anybody.

So you consider everything the police officer said as a lie. What makes you so certain about that?

Its not if he had a weapon it is if the office reasonably believed he may have a weapon.

A split second decision was made. The wrong one.
The officer has been appropriately punished.

You really need to learn how to read a thread.

[Rokartian States]

That's not what the word 'intend' means.

Yes it is.

–verb (used with object)
1.
to have in mind as something to be done or brought about; plan: We intend to leave in a month.

Which is unrelated to "He had no reason at all to use the weapon."

That's not what the word 'intend' means.

Are we expecting all cops to be superheroes?
Drug dealer charges towards you after apprehension. Possibilities exist of everything from a fist to a gun. One single swing with a sharp object could cause death

Unless the cops are meant to be invincible or all geniuses the chance of a knife would naturally lead the officer to reaching for something that could be fired. A batton would put your life at risk.

The cop made a mistake. The cashier at the supermarket has made mistakes. I have made mistakes. You have made mistakes
Why? Because we are human!

You do know we're in agreement, right?

[Tekania]

Yes it is.

–verb (used with object)
1.
to have in mind as something to be done or brought about; plan: We intend to leave in a month.

Which is unrelated to "He had no reason at all to use the weapon."

Which luckily means nothing, as that is a dictionary definition rather than a legal definition, and with law all that matters is the concept of legal intent, which is defined as: "A determination to perform a particular act or to act in a particular manner for a specific reason" Which was not capable of being established with this particular man in court with all the evidence at hand, at least in terms of intent to establish a case of second degree murder (which was the highest on the table). Sure there was obvious intent for the cop to use force, but being a cop he does in fact have the authority to use force, so that was a non-issue in this case.

[Ifreann]

No he meant to shoot him with the gun since he didn't need to use any weapon at all.

He would have been justified in the use of a taser.

I don't think so. Mehserles and another officer were holding Grant down, and there was a third nearby. They could have, I expect, taken a weapon from Grant very easily, much easier than he would be able to get it in his hands in the first place.

Of course, I don't think it follows that Mehserles must therefore have intended to use his pistol to kill Grant.

[New new nebraska]

Its not unbelievable that he thought he was going for his taser. That and I find it hard to believe a cop would shoot someone, in cold blood, execution style, on a crowded train platform.

[GeneralHaNor]

Here's hoping the BART officer spends the rest of his days behind a grill at McDonald instead of becoming a cop again.

He was only suspended with pay while in prison. He is back on the force with a promotion from time in service to the force.

Let me ask some questions

1. where was this again?
2. What is "BART"
3. So officers get Prison Sentences for accidental shootings?
4. While in Prison, you still get paid?
5. When released you still have a job?
6. Promotion?

What is this I don't even

[Ifreann]

He was only suspended with pay while in prison. He is back on the force with a promotion from time in service to the force.

Let me ask some questions

1. where was this again?

The San Francisco Bay Area.

2. What is "BART"

Bay Area Rapid Transit, a rail service.

3. So officers get Prison Sentences for accidental shootings?

When it's manslaughter, yes.

4. While in Prison, you still get paid?
5. When released you still have a job?
6. Promotion?

Probably not.

[Caninope]

He would have been justified in the use of a taser.

I don't think so. Mehserles and another officer were holding Grant down, and there was a third nearby. They could have, I expect, taken a weapon from Grant very easily, much easier than he would be able to get it in his hands in the first place.

Of course, I don't think it follows that Mehserles must therefore have intended to use his pistol to kill Grant.

He was resisting arrest. While a bit unnecessary, use of a taser would have been justified in America.

[Ryadn]

No he meant to shoot him with the gun since he didn't need to use any weapon at all.

I would like to see you deal with an aggrevated person holding a knife without a weapon
You might pretend to be the internet tough guy but as far as the cop knew a drug dealer was charging towards him. This could indicate an attempt to hit or use any kind of melee weapon that you could name.

THe mistake was thinking he had a taser but when you consider all the time he had to think (a second or two at most) it could be the case that he believed he had a taser on him.

I dont always recall what pocket I put my house keys in. Have someone charge towards me that I believe is dangerous and give me two seconds and I aassure you the chances of me finding the right pocket in time is very small.

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. I mean, you probably were before, but now it's provable.

[Scientific socks]

I would like to see you deal with an aggrevated person holding a knife without a weapon
You might pretend to be the internet tough guy but as far as the cop knew a drug dealer was charging towards him. This could indicate an attempt to hit or use any kind of melee weapon that you could name.

THe mistake was thinking he had a taser but when you consider all the time he had to think (a second or two at most) it could be the case that he believed he had a taser on him.

I dont always recall what pocket I put my house keys in. Have someone charge towards me that I believe is dangerous and give me two seconds and I aassure you the chances of me finding the right pocket in time is very small.

So when do you graduate first grade? You sure as hell need to learn how to read if you think Oscar Grant had a knife or charged anybody.

Its about reasonable belief there may be a weapon.
He did not have one but you can not do a search on a drug dealer in a second whilst they are moving.

Unless you consider ever word the officer says as a lie (which means you are starting off highly biased) there is a good chance that this was manslaughter and not murder

But obviously you know better than 12 jurors who actually heard all the facts of this case because...

actually there is no because. You dont!

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

So when do you graduate first grade? You sure as hell need to learn how to read if you think Oscar Grant had a knife or charged anybody.

Its about reasonable belief there may be a weapon.
He did not have one but you can not do a search on a drug dealer in a second whilst they are moving.

Unless you consider ever word the officer says as a lie (which means you are starting off highly biased) there is a good chance that this was manslaughter and not murder

But obviously you know better than 12 jurors who actually heard all the facts of this case because...

actually there is no because. You dont!

What the fuck is wrong with your brain. Are you on drugs? Everyone is trying and failing to explain this simple concept to you; Oscar Grant was on the ground, handcuffed, being pinned by two other officers while he was allegedly resisting arrest. He had no weapons, he was in no position to reach for a weapon, and Mehserle had all the time in the world to make sure he was holding the right piece of equipment. He failed to do so, being the moron he is, and killed another man through his own negligence and stupidity.

[Wiztopia]

Its about reasonable belief there may be a weapon.
He did not have one but you can not do a search on a drug dealer in a second whilst they are moving.

Unless you consider ever word the officer says as a lie (which means you are starting off highly biased) there is a good chance that this was manslaughter and not murder

But obviously you know better than 12 jurors who actually heard all the facts of this case because...

actually there is no because. You dont!

What the fuck is wrong with your brain. Are you on drugs? Everyone is trying and failing to explain this simple concept to you; Oscar Grant was on the ground, handcuffed, being pinned by two other officers while he was allegedly resisting arrest. He had no weapons, he was in no position to reach for a weapon, and Mehserle had all the time in the world to make sure he was holding the right piece of equipment. He failed to do so, being the moron he is, and killed another man through his own negligence and stupidity.

He can't help it. He never learned how to read.

[JuNii]

4. While in Prison, you still get paid?
5. When released you still have a job?
6. Promotion?

Probably not.

Definately not. especially when you resign before your trial. Johannes Mehserle resigned from BART before his trial.

[Orlkjestad]

Here's hoping the BART officer spends the rest of his days behind a grill at McDonald instead of becoming a cop again.

it was an accident, and the man who was shot was sprinting towards the cop, when the cop had reasons to believe he was under the influence of drugs, what would you have done?

Killing someone is killing someone.